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Ionik Knight
Learned Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 13:32:01
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I could swear I read that Nobanion had werelions as followers somewhere, but now I'm unable to locate the reference. Anyone else recall this, or have I just lost my marbles?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 13:47:42
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| It sounds familiar, and I think it might have come from Powers and Pantheons. Unfortunately, I don't have that tome with me at the moment in order to check up on that... |
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Ionik Knight
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 14:26:04
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I don't have Powers and Pantheons. I did, however, find my original reference to them in CoV as part of the Paladin Organization--Legion of Lions. It only says "This organization of wemic and werelion paladins of Nobanion..." The rest of paragraph is about the Legion, it contains nothing else about the werelions.
Now the only werelions I'm familiar with are the evil ones from 2nd edition. Anyone have info on non-evil werelions? I'm bring Maahes to Mulhorand, sort of, but the plan is for him to be a lycan before he becomes a god. |
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_Jarlaxle_
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 16:09:37
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Faith and Pantheons only says
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Nobanion: Legion of Lions (wemics and werelions only): cleric,
divine champion. Founded shortly after the Time of
Troubles, this fellowship exists to protect good-aligned
monsters and slay the servants of Malar.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 16:15:39
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| And it seems I remembered correctly. The entry for "Nobanion" in Powers and Pantheons mentions werelions among his followers and, also, that the city of Nathlekh -- located at the western edge of the Gulthmere Forest -- has a sizable werelion population, and a temple of the King of Lions in the city which dominates it's religious life. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 19:13:01
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Just finding this scroll now, somehow...
It would seem that I've done the right thing in my Realms then; I've kept the original werecreature pantheon from 1E AD&D, and added to it for the newer werebeast species (Nobanion for werelions, Sebek for werecrocodiles, Bast/Sharess for werecats, etc.); it's still a work in progress. When it's relatively complete, I'll post it. |
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Roaryn
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 17:45:06
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| Nobanion does have were lions as worshippers. They are located in his city in the forest of Guthermere (Sorry if I spelled it wrong) |
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 18:19:30
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| I've always assumed that the Wemic shepards of Harrowdale would worship Nobanion. Since I've never found mention of a temple to Nobanion in Harrowdale, I've assumed that the shepards have a shrine in one of the glens on the border of Harrowdale and the Cormanthor Forest. Does anyone know if there is a canon mention of a shrine/temple of Nobanion in Harrowdale that I've missed? Thanks in advance for any responces. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 20:13:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
And it seems I remembered correctly. The entry for "Nobanion" in Powers and Pantheons mentions werelions among his followers and, also, that the city of Nathlekh -- located at the western edge of the Gulthmere Forest -- has a sizable werelion population, and a temple of the King of Lions in the city which dominates it's religious life.
The specialty priests' entry in "Powers of Pantheons" also allows firemane werelions, just like other were-felines (werepanthers, weretigers). However, it is a bit strange, because those creatures are neutral or evil, and firemanes must be Lawful Good. And I'm quite sure I've already seen someone questioning this issue in some scroll around in CK, just don't remember the answer for it. |
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Roaryn
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 12:51:40
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| The answer to your question is under the entry Firemane under Nobanion. It states that were lions are worshippers |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 18:39:06
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| The question I refer to is the question some sage made about the supposed incongruence on LE werelions following a LG deity. I've found the aforementioned question, but not the answer to it. I even checked the different lycanthropes of the 1e Hall of Heroes sourcebook, in Kelemvor's entry, but there are no werelions there. I guess there are no stats for good werelions published, as it was stated by Richard Baker, IIRC. |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
Edited by - Barastir on 06 Oct 2011 18:40:44 |
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
470 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 19:40:39
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| Just curious, but why would there need to be different stats except for the alignment? I've always assumed that there are often issolated tribes of creatures that have different alignments than the magority of those creaturers, especially if the alignment if different along only one axis (i.e. LG from LE). |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 20:48:53
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Originally posted by Halidan
Just curious, but why would there need to be different stats except for the alignment? I've always assumed that there are often issolated tribes of creatures that have different alignments than the magority of those creaturers, especially if the alignment if different along only one axis (i.e. LG from LE).
It depends, Halidan. If it was a creture "per se", I would say that. But since it's about lycanthropy, that is a curse, I see the evil alignment as a "side effect" of the curse, just like werewolves are always CE because, when they transform, they manifest an uncontrollable bestial fury.
There's an advantage of the 3e over the previous editions. The Monster Manual 3e have, in the monster descriptions, "always LE", or "usually CG", for example, unlike in the 2e, in which only sometimes they tell us there are exceptions to the usual alignment.
In this specific case we are discussing, since there are firemane werelions, we can deduce that there are rare good werelions. If it was not specified that firemanes are necessarily LG, I would think the god could be served by evil creatures (depending on the way they serve him, why not?). I also remember that Nobanion is served by other feline lycanthropes that aren't LG, like werecats (CG), weretigers (N) and werepanthers (LE or LN, depending on the version), among others.
Well, maybe being LG is a special boon to followers of Nobanion that got the curse, or to those who converted to the Firemane's faith. They could keep their mind and moral values while in feline or hybrid form. We must remember that lycanthropes not necessarily remember or agree with what they do in animal or hybrid form, under the effects of the curse.
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"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
Edited by - Barastir on 06 Oct 2011 20:59:19 |
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
470 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 18:31:44
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Originally posted by Barastir
Well, maybe being LG is a special boon to followers of Nobanion that got the curse, or to those who converted to the Firemane's faith. They could keep their mind and moral values while in feline or hybrid form.
I guess that's the way I've always looked at Firemanes. While it's not a perfect analogy, I've always viewed Firemanes as Noanions palidans - which is to say they are the LG defenders of his faith. It's not a perfect analogy, but that's how I've always viewed then. |
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Of the Moon
Down the Valley of the Shadow,
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The shade replied,
"If you seek for Eldorado!"
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