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Kuje
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Read the web enhancement for F&P. Deities cannot be killed by mortals without the help of another deity and this has ALWAYS been the case in FR.
Finder had Tymora's help and maybe Selunes.
Velsharoon rose to deity hood with Talos's help.
Azuth's with Mystra's.
The ToT's deities were special case but they still had killed deities.
Bane, Bhaal, Myrkul had Jergal's help and they "killed" Borem.
Etc.
And this is also why you DO NOT stat dieties! Even WOTC learned this lesson, thank all the gods! Rich has said on the game designer thread that that was a mistake they will hopefully never repeat. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Apr 2005 : 18:07:41
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How can he know more about magic than the deities in charge of it? Sorry, but that claim strikes me as absolutely preposterous...
Cause he's 5times older than both of them? Remember Midnight and Azuth are new gods, mortals that rose to divinity by power. Ioulaum's bonus to spellcraft is higher than the gods writeup.
And what does age have to do with it? Mystra is still in charge of all magic -- she IS magic. Age notwithstanding, there is no conceivable way for anyone to know more about magic than her.
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Your obviously not familiar with Divine ranks and Avatars. An Avatar has 1/2 the divine rank of the true form, therefor half of its divine powers. And when you are such a low divine rank already ( the deity's I named are all lesser deity's divine rank 6-8) your avatar isn't really that much different from the real thing. I can't believe this is being argued, just look at the write-ups in the FR Faiths and Pantheons. Uthgar and Shaundakul ESPECIALLY would be smoking craters once Ioulaum got done with them. There would be no contest.
An avatar is nothing but a manifestation of a deity. Deities are far beyond the scope of mortals. And no matter what Ioulaum did to an avatar, he is not affecting the deity directly!
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Originally posted by Darkhope
Deity's are NOT all powerful indestructable beings. They CAN be killed, its been proven in the realms before, MULTIPLE times. And by LESS powerful people than one such as Ioulaum.
I didn't say they were all-powerful and indestructible. However, they are close to being indestructible...
And no deity has been slain without deific influence, no matter how powerful the mortal in question.
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And the write game from Green-Giant, he's a master at building NPC's.
I quite respect Green Giant, and have requested stats from him in the past (before I was wrongfully banned from those boards). However, unless I am mistaken, Green Giant does not work for WotC and thus his info, no matter how true to the source material, is not canon. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Apr 2005 : 18:10:31
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Originally posted by kuje31
Read the web enhancement for F&P. Deities cannot be killed by mortals without the help of another deity and this has ALWAYS been the case in FR.
Finder had Tymora's help and maybe Selunes.
Velsharoon rose to deity hood with Talos's help.
Azuth's with Mystra's.
The ToT's deities were special case but they still had killed deities.
Bane, Bhaal, Myrkul had Jergal's help and they "killed" Borem.
Etc.
And this is also why you DO NOT stat dieties! Even WOTC learned this lesson, thank all the gods! Rich has said on the game designer thread that that was a mistake they will hopefully never repeat.
Midnight, as I recall, had a bit of Mystra's essence -- making her divine enough to pull it off.
Cyric had deific help, too. <Spoiler!! Highlight to read> Mask/Godsbane was the deific helper for him. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 09 Apr 2005 18:12:07 |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Apr 2005 : 18:37:04
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Midnight, as I recall, had a bit of Mystra's essence -- making her divine enough to pull it off.
Cyric had deific help, too. <Spoiler!! Highlight to read> Mask/Godsbane was the deific helper for him.
Aye, your right. The ones I listed were off the top of my head and I was half awake but my point was still made. :) |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 18:31:18
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finduilas
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 04:41:17
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 06:23:28
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i was born the same time as drizzt
Hmm... well, now we know who stole Elminster's pipe and smokeweed. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 07:16:11
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Originally posted by finduilas
i was born the same time as drizzt
But your profile says you're only 19...  .
If you were born the same time as Drizzt, you'd be 77 now   .
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Feb 2020 : 02:53:10
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Seeker barry,
I am going to have to say Karsus. I mean, you look at the stat sheet and one says 34th level wizard of awesome/lich and the other says demigod.
I think the demigod wins (sure, sure, it was for not even a second, haha).
Best regards,
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i would like to know who do you think to be thee most powerful wizard in the forgotten realms. if we go by the forgotten realms books who would it be ? and if its the campaign setting for forgotten realms including the masters of darkness eg telemont tanthul or lalock who woulld it be then and why,
how many netherlese king wizards are known to survive now, is Ioulum (first to float city see fr timeline) still alive do you think?
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the most powerful wizard in the realms and neths
