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wintermute27
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 00:40:22
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I'm preparing to run my group through the events of Shadowdale: The Scouring of the Land (albeit heavily modified and set in Deepingdale) and I'd love to leave the re-discovery of The Warblade in there, but I'm not sure how to handle the "bonding" mechanic in Pathfinder. Specifically, what to use instead of the XP cost. With the exception of the Deck of Many Things, everything that used to require the expenditure of or modified character XP (item creation, permanency, etc.) has had it replaced with something else. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Hawkins
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 03:12:15
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| Multiply the XP cost by 5 gp and that is the amount of gold you would have to pay for the bonding. |
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Rhewtani
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 15:34:47
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Leave the xp cost in - it's the warblade!
Or put a fractional multiplier on the bearer of the blade until a certain point. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 15:47:20
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| Well, the issue, Rhewtani, is that Pathfinder got rid of ALL XP Costs, even for spells/creating magic items. But Hawkins is correct, they replaced it with 5x the original XP cost in gold. |
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wintermute27
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 16:48:25
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As far as where the gold would go, I think I'll have the PC donate it to a shrine of Corellon Larethian. The only question is this, do you think that 12,500gp is too little to spend for the power of the Warblade? Should it be more?
The other idea I had is a variant of what Rhewtani suggests. Instead of spending the XP up front, bonding with the blade negates the next 2,500 XP gained by the player. I realize that this is essentially the same thing, but from a PC perspective is it better? You wouldn't be losing XP you've already earned so much as not gaining as much the next time. |
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Edited by - wintermute27 on 04 Aug 2010 16:56:15 |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 17:21:26
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Well, the first you have to remember is that it's already bonded to a half-elven ranger (and has been for almost two years now). So, first they'd have to defeat me to get it!
MWUH-HAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh wait, I'm not evil... But I *AM* trying to get Ed to write it into canon. 
Anyway, back to this idea. 12,500 isn't too little, since they also have to meet the other pre-reqs. The reason the bonding was added to the item (both the XP and the ritual, where the sword can 'refuse' them) was to prevent PCs from getting it since they are effective the General of all the armies of Myth Drannor afterwards and only truly answer to the Coronal. A job that, at the time of the adventure, pretty much means the player has to retire that character since Myth Drannor is at war and a general is needed*. I doubt they'd be able to participate in the final Anauroch adventure without a LOT of diplomatic roleplaying with the Coronal.
*Ashe has been an outstanding character of mine since 1997. I have him saved at different levels and he has been part of 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, Epic level 3E, 3.5 Edition. He will be soon introduced into a 4E game and he is my official Pathfinder Society character (although I haven't had a chance to play him in official tournaments yet, too busy running them...). So, I was able to get the sword and story to him since he was a NPC Guide for the group I was running through Shadowdale (they were that type of group that needed an in-game NPC to 'remind' them of their quest). |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 18:08:46
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| Also, if you think about it, gold is a sort of "spendable xp". You are expected to have certain amounts of it awarded to you by certain levels. So it makes sense to me to swap it for xp costs. And if you look into it, the 5 gp to 1 xp ratio was found in certain places in 3.5 (although I don't remember where, I know that I figured it out before 4E and Pathfinder were even announced). |
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One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
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My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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wintermute27
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 18:17:44
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See, this is the tricky bit. My game is currently taking place in the summer of 1356 DR, 19 years before the reclamation of Myth Drannor. I've had to make a great deal of changes to the module to even make it fit in the game, especially since I'm running it in Highmoon, the ToT hasn't happened, let alone the return of Shade, and Sylune isn't even technically dead yet .
One other question that I had when reading the Warblade entry, both in the Shadowdale book and in Lost Empires, I know you can't summon the blade, use the spell-like abilities, or gain the benefits of slow aging without bonding to it, but would it still act as a +4 keen holy longsword without bonding? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 18:19:34
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| I believe (don't have the books in front of me) that the sword will attempt to bond if you pick it up, much like drawing a moonblade. If you're not found worthy, it attacks you. |
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Rhewtani
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 19:50:11
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Well, the issue, Rhewtani, is that Pathfinder got rid of ALL XP Costs, even for spells/creating magic items. But Hawkins is correct, they replaced it with 5x the original XP cost in gold.
Right, except for the deck of many things. So, he could just leave the cost in. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 20:49:51
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Originally posted by Rhewtani
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Well, the issue, Rhewtani, is that Pathfinder got rid of ALL XP Costs, even for spells/creating magic items. But Hawkins is correct, they replaced it with 5x the original XP cost in gold.
Right, except for the deck of many things. So, he could just leave the cost in.
But the Deck of Many Things is special. It's not a cost to use the deck or bond to it, it's a penalty for drawing the wrong card, just like drawing the Jester/Hanged Man/Joker GIVES you 10,000 XP. |
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