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coach
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 Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 17:02:07
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looking at Expedition to Ravenloft it is stated that there is a brief summary of how to install Ravenloft into the Forgotten Realms by inserting Barovia into a remote area of Damara
can someone who has that source explain those details as I don't have that book?
thanks in advance
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coach
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 17:17:46
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may have answered my own question if this quote on wizards.com:
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RELICS OF THE MORNINGLORD
If Expedition to Castle Ravenloft takes place in the Forgotten Realmssetting, consider using this hook instead of or in addition to any of the others included here. "Relics of the Morninglord" ties the adventure more closely to the people and places of Faerûn.
An earnest young priest of Lathander contacts the PCs. Gevyen Tallmer is a scholar, not an adventurer: A 5th-level cleric (or at least one level below the lowest-level PC in the party), he has more knowledge of ancient texts than contemporary monsters. His field of study is relics of the Morninglord, and he believes he has stumbled across an important text. According to Gevyen's research, a small sect of Lathander's church is active in a remote region of Damara, largely isolated from the rest of the world. This sect is served by a small priesthood and two slightly larger orders, the Ecaterine monks and the Knights of the Raven. The short passage Gevyen discovered mentions three holy shrines dedicated to saints of Lathander in the same remote region, as well as two powerful artifacts. One is a holy symbol that shines like the sun, and the other is said to be the first sun blade.
Gevyen's proposition is fairly straightforward: The road to Damara is long and dangerous, and he seeks an escort of powerful adventurers. His destination is Barovia, a small realm nestled in the eastern reaches of the Galena Mountains, a few days' journey from Ironspur. The priest doesn't anticipate any trouble once he reaches the remote valley.
is the only realms reference? |
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Diffan
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 18:09:48
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As far as I know yes. However, Barovia (and Ravenloft) are featured in the Realms in previous novels as a separate world accessable only through the "Mist" and not actually on Faerun. So I think was sorta strange for WotC to say "You can place Barovia "into" the Realms and Damara makes a good home for it" when the place had previously been featured in Realms books as a separate plane altogether.
Personally, I've placed Ravenloft on the Plane of Shadow (Shadowfell for 4E) in it's own little bubble accessable by the mist. The Raven Queen and Shar have some pretty big influences but that's another matter. |
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Bakra
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Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 19:08:36
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Originally posted by Diffan
As far as I know yes. However, Barovia (and Ravenloft) are featured in the Realms in previous novels as a separate world accessable only through the "Mist" and not actually on Faerun. So I think was sorta strange for WotC to say "You can place Barovia "into" the Realms and Damara makes a good home for it" when the place had previously been featured in Realms books as a separate plane altogether.
Personally, I've placed Ravenloft on the Plane of Shadow (Shadowfell for 4E) in it's own little bubble accessable by the mist. The Raven Queen and Shar have some pretty big influences but that's another matter.
Well Barovia in the Ravenloft Campaign Setting is a reflection of a real Prime Material Plane. A Ravenloft module about a 'Grand Conjunction' mentions the name of the country Barovia originated from ,details an unknown deity of the Sun, plus details the current ruler of Castle Ravenloft. I'm doing this from memory. I no longer have access to those modules. |
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(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Jul 2010 : 01:00:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
As far as I know yes. However, Barovia (and Ravenloft) are featured in the Realms in previous novels as a separate world accessable only through the "Mist" and not actually on Faerun. So I think was sorta strange for WotC to say "You can place Barovia "into" the Realms and Damara makes a good home for it" when the place had previously been featured in Realms books as a separate plane altogether.
The RAVENLOFT novel Vampire of the Mists offers the "best" example of the planar relationship between Toril and the Domains of Dread. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Jul 2010 : 01:06:43
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Originally posted by Bakra
Well Barovia in the Ravenloft Campaign Setting is a reflection of a real Prime Material Plane. A Ravenloft module about a 'Grand Conjunction' mentions the name of the country Barovia originated from ,details an unknown deity of the Sun, plus details the current ruler of Castle Ravenloft. I'm doing this from memory. I no longer have access to those modules.
The Barovia Domain was copied from a prime material location, also known as Barovia. When Strahd made his pact, a replica of the Barovia from that other Prime Material world, was created and taken into Ravenloft. [We know a Prime Material Castle Ravenloft still exists from Roots of Evil.] |
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althen artren
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Posted - 23 Jul 2010 : 20:38:32
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I was under the impression that Castle Ravenloft was on Oerth.
Alas, I know longer have the relevent books to research the
matter.
I do know that the lich in the northern most realms was from
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althen artren
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Posted - 23 Jul 2010 : 22:38:47
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The Sage
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 00:59:00
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Originally posted by capnvan
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Originally posted by althen artren
I was under the impression that Castle Ravenloft was on Oerth.
Alas, I know longer have the relevent books to research the
matter.
I don't believe so. I don't think Barovia or the Balinok Mountains were ever identified as being a part of the Flannaess. I suppose they might be from another continent, but I believe that the original Ravenloft adventure was written with a generic setting in mind, not Greyhawk.
See my second reply from the 22/07.
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Originally posted by althen artren
I do know that the lich in the northern most realms was from Toril.
If you're referring to Azalin, he actually is from Greyhawk.
Indeed. Azalin was a king of a Greyhawk area [though never properly defined], until he became the wizard-king of Darkon in RAVENLOFT.
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althen artren
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 01:11:58
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okokok Sage,
I all ready said I was old. Rub it in whydon'tya? |
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The Sage
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Thauramarth
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 07:02:15
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Originally posted by The Sage
Indeed. Azalin was a king of a Greyhawk area [though never properly defined], until he became the wizard-king of Darkon in RAVENLOFT.
Azalin, aka Firan Zal'Honan was the Earl of Knurl in the Great Kingdom. Maybe the Sage is getting old, too  . |
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The Sage
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 07:21:28
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
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Originally posted by The Sage
Indeed. Azalin was a king of a Greyhawk area [though never properly defined], until he became the wizard-king of Darkon in RAVENLOFT.
Azalin, aka Firan Zal'Honan was the Earl of Knurl in the Great Kingdom. Maybe the Sage is getting old, too .
Silly old sage.  I forgot about those tidbits from the old "Black" and "Red" boxes from the RAVENLOFT line.
Apparently, I must've been confusing it with the entry for Azalin in the second volume of 3e Ravenloft Gazetteer. That particular source allows for a certain degree of regional ambiguity when referencing Firal's realm of origin -- a "small earldom" on a "distant world" -- in keeping with the rest of the vagaries of the 3e RL line in terms of characters whose origins occurred on other TSR/WotC-owned worlds. |
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althen artren
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 21:29:35
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Fear not Sage, I never read the 3e Ravenloft Gazetteer. I wonder if the
Greyhawk Wars download mentions his Greyhawk write up in any detail?
I'll check tonight when I get home. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 01:44:51
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Originally posted by althen artren
Fear not Sage, I never read the 3e Ravenloft Gazetteer. I wonder if the
Greyhawk Wars download mentions his Greyhawk write up in any detail?
I'll check tonight when I get home.
I haven't read that source in a long while, but I don't recall any particular and/or pertinent details about Firal in that tome. Like most NPCs who were eventually drawn into the Domains of Dread from other worlds, Firal was likely to have been just a "brief-mention" character without any real information about him pre-RAVENLOFT. |
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Thauramarth
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Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 09:43:33
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by althen artren
Fear not Sage, I never read the 3e Ravenloft Gazetteer. I wonder if the
Greyhawk Wars download mentions his Greyhawk write up in any detail?
I'll check tonight when I get home.
I haven't read that source in a long while, but I don't recall any particular and/or pertinent details about Firal in that tome. Like most NPCs who were eventually drawn into the Domains of Dread from other worlds, Firal was likely to have been just a "brief-mention" character without any real information about him pre-RAVENLOFT.
It does not, and neither does Ivid the Undying. As far as I know, Azalin was detailed only in the Ravenloft line, starting with The House on Gryphon Hill, which did not go into his personal history, and did not get a mention in the Greyhawk line. I remember that, when Ravenloft was launched as a campaign setting, and further expanded over the years, it created a lot of NPCs originating in one of the established campaign worlds; those NPCs normally got mentions in later products of the campaign world line (Jander Sunstar is a good example), but many did not. Azalin disappeared from the Great Kingdom several centuries ago, and Greyhawk development always concentrated more on the present than on the past anyway. |
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