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Gelcur
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Posted - 06 Jul 2010 :  18:20:26  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
So I'm looking for an item that a spellcaster can "write" spells into and erase them similar to a spell book but some other object like a gem. The first thing that came to mind was it like a Telkiira but then I realized the Telkirra comes with a bunch of other things.

Does such an item already exist in either realms sources or Core? I have yet to find one aside from a reference in Magic of Faerun page 172 that says magic can be used to disguise spell books as gaming boards, shields, and just about anything.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.

Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 07 Jul 2010 :  17:46:33  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Look at . . . I think it's Complete Arcane? Maybe Complete Mage? There are rules there for alternate spellbooks and alternate magic items. It's been a long time since I looked it up.

Otherwise, yes, you should feel free to have a spellcaster who uses something other than a spellbook: a lore gem of his own making (basically a non-elven telkiira), tattoos all over the body, a notched walking staff, stone tablets, etc., etc. It makes very little mechanical difference to the game, so whatever you and your DM are cool with, go with that.

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Markustay
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Posted - 08 Jul 2010 :  02:58:46  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is a type of gemstone that is exactly what you want, but I can't seem to locate the source (probably because I'm unsure of the name).

Chandolyn? Chardolyn?

Thought it had something to do with the Netherease, but I can't find it in the boxed set or LEoF under Dekanter (I thought that was where they were mined). Also looked at VGtATM, but without a proper name I can't search my PDF, and the appendix is useless.

Edit: Found a mention of them, anyway - pg. 98 of LEoF, right at the top near the beginning; they are called Chardalyn.

Edit2: Related Link

Edit3: 2e info: Encyclopedia Arcana, pg.5, from the Netheril boxed set. 3e info: Lords of Darkness, pg. 181

Edit4: The Glowstones mentioned in Dwarves Deep (pg.44) are probably a related mineral, or possibly just a Dwarven name for Chardalyn. AS a DM, I would just say that the Glowstones were 'Clear Chardalyn' with slightly different properties (and if the Netherease had discovered those, instead of the versions they found, they might not have needed to develop the Spellcrux ability of their Mythallars). Figure its like the difference between 'white diamonds', and 'black diamonds', gem-wise.

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Edited by - Markustay on 08 Jul 2010 03:37:57
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Alystra Illianniis
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I seem to remember gems of spell storing back in the 2nd ed Encyclopedia Magica. That might work. They could be tweaked to permanently hold the spells like a book, I'd imagine.

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Barastir
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  17:12:25  Show Profile Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

There is a type of gemstone that is exactly what you want, but I can't seem to locate the source (probably because I'm unsure of the name).

Chandolyn? Chardolyn?

Thought it had something to do with the Netherease, but I can't find it in the boxed set or LEoF under Dekanter (I thought that was where they were mined). Also looked at VGtATM, but without a proper name I can't search my PDF, and the appendix is useless.

Edit: Found a mention of them, anyway - pg. 98 of LEoF, right at the top near the beginning; they are called Chardalyn.


The Chardalyn were stones that stored magic, but not like a spellbook or kiira. A chardalyn absorbs a spell that is cast on it, and the spell is released when the fragile stone is broken. It can contain only one spell in this way, and other spells being cast on a "charged" chardalyn will work normally - maybe even destroying the stone and releasing the spell first stored.

The militia of one Netheril city or enclave (I think it's Karsus', but I'm not sure) use shields with chardalyns charged with the "fireball" spell in its outer center, and fire-resistance rings. So, when the enemies try to hit the soldiers and hit their shields, the stones can break and BOOM!

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Edited by - Barastir on 12 Jul 2010 17:14:40
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Gelcur
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 :  22:33:10  Show Profile  Visit Gelcur's Homepage Send Gelcur a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all the input guys.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good.
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The Simbul
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Posted - 15 Jul 2010 :  07:07:51  Show Profile  Visit The Simbul's Homepage Send The Simbul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gelcur

So I'm looking for an item that a spellcaster can "write" spells into and erase them similar to a spell book but some other object like a gem. The first thing that came to mind was it like a Telkiira but then I realized the Telkirra comes with a bunch of other things.

Does such an item already exist in either realms sources or Core? I have yet to find one aside from a reference in Magic of Faerun page 172 that says magic can be used to disguise spell books as gaming boards, shields, and just about anything.

The Tel'Kirra (or "High Lore Gem") appears much later in Lost Empires of Faerun, and therefore is the more advanced and in some cases unique version of the lesser Kirra (or "Lore Gem") which preceeded it in Magic of Faerun. The Kirra was also reproduced in the Magic Item Compendium under its common-tongue name of "Lore Gem".
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