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woodwwad
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 Posted - 30 Jun 2010 : 19:44:41
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Were there ever any stats for Bhaal given. I know his essence was locked away in the upper planes but I was thinking of changing that in my current game & having him have been imprissioned deep in the earth & letting the pcs accidently free him. Of course he wouldn't be a god but something less; however, still far more powerful than a mortal. Which would make it very usful to have stats on him for 3.5 levels. Obviously he'd have 10 levels of Assassin, most likely some levels of rogue but other than that I'm not sure, maybe some ranger or fighter levels?
Of course the crunch here isn't imporant for any actual mechanic game use but I feel it may help, even slightly, to have the character put together fully before he's encountered so I can have the best handle possible when rping him; although, I think I have him at about 90% of what I want to do with him now.
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Kilvan
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Posted - 30 Jun 2010 : 19:56:15
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| I do not think Bhaal (or his avatars) has been stated in 3.5, either as a god or a mortal. At best, he might have become a fan-made vestige for a binder (tome of magic) to use. |
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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 30 Jun 2010 : 20:51:27
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| If you're going for a non-divine, non-mortal Bhaal, I'd make him a 'divine rank 0' NPC; also known as a 'quasi-deity', it makes the character immortal (for purposes of aging), grants DR, etc. For class levels, I'd go with Ranger 5/Rogue 5/Assassin 20, if you want to keep it simple, or if you want to min/max (not really necessary, given the levels involved) I'd go with Ftr4/Rog6/Invisible Blade5/Assassin15... this combo lets him sneak attack with a dagger every round (since he gets a free feint every round). |
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woodwwad
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Jun 2010 : 23:25:49
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
If you're going for a non-divine, non-mortal Bhaal, I'd make him a 'divine rank 0' NPC; also known as a 'quasi-deity', it makes the character immortal (for purposes of aging), grants DR, etc. For class levels, I'd go with Ranger 5/Rogue 5/Assassin 20, if you want to keep it simple, or if you want to min/max (not really necessary, given the levels involved) I'd go with Ftr4/Rog6/Invisible Blade5/Assassin15... this combo lets him sneak attack with a dagger every round (since he gets a free feint every round).
yeah, I'd planned on using Divine Rank 0. Assassin is only a 10 level class. I hadn't thought of Invisible Blade but as a dagger user that would make sense. I think I like the idea of Ranger better than Fighter upon thinking about it.
Thanks for your imput guys, I'd certainly be happy to read anyone else's ideas should they choose to share. |
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Dracons
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Posted - 01 Jul 2010 : 02:07:18
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Originally posted by woodwwad
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
If you're going for a non-divine, non-mortal Bhaal, I'd make him a 'divine rank 0' NPC; also known as a 'quasi-deity', it makes the character immortal (for purposes of aging), grants DR, etc. For class levels, I'd go with Ranger 5/Rogue 5/Assassin 20, if you want to keep it simple, or if you want to min/max (not really necessary, given the levels involved) I'd go with Ftr4/Rog6/Invisible Blade5/Assassin15... this combo lets him sneak attack with a dagger every round (since he gets a free feint every round).
yeah, I'd planned on using Divine Rank 0. Assassin is only a 10 level class. I hadn't thought of Invisible Blade but as a dagger user that would make sense. I think I like the idea of Ranger better than Fighter upon thinking about it.
Thanks for your imput guys, I'd certainly be happy to read anyone else's ideas should they choose to share.
You can advance assassin after level 20, assuming you have at least ten levels in it.
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woodwwad
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jul 2010 : 04:43:35
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Originally posted by dracons
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Originally posted by woodwwad
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
If you're going for a non-divine, non-mortal Bhaal, I'd make him a 'divine rank 0' NPC; also known as a 'quasi-deity', it makes the character immortal (for purposes of aging), grants DR, etc. For class levels, I'd go with Ranger 5/Rogue 5/Assassin 20, if you want to keep it simple, or if you want to min/max (not really necessary, given the levels involved) I'd go with Ftr4/Rog6/Invisible Blade5/Assassin15... this combo lets him sneak attack with a dagger every round (since he gets a free feint every round).
yeah, I'd planned on using Divine Rank 0. Assassin is only a 10 level class. I hadn't thought of Invisible Blade but as a dagger user that would make sense. I think I like the idea of Ranger better than Fighter upon thinking about it.
Thanks for your imput guys, I'd certainly be happy to read anyone else's ideas should they choose to share.
You can advance assassin after level 20, assuming you have at least ten levels in it.
where is a 20 level write up for Assassin class? |
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Dark Wizard
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Posted - 01 Jul 2010 : 05:10:41
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Originally posted by woodwwad
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Originally posted by dracons
You can advance assassin after level 20, assuming you have at least ten levels in it.
where is a 20 level write up for Assassin class?
I believe dracons is referring to the epic level progression for Assassin. |
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Darkmeer
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Posted - 01 Jul 2010 : 07:15:09
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There is also a 20-level Assassin core class in the Green Ronin Assassin's handbook. It's rather nifty if you can find a copy.
The other thought, provided that you have both a copy of Lost Empires of Faerun and/or Dragon 288 (there was a template for the Bhaalspawn in that), and of course the 2e source Faiths & Avatars (where he is a multiclass rogue/fighter).
Given some time to think about this, my personal interpretation of Bhaal, given that he was an intermediate power at the time of his death, would be (3.5 classes and levels only): Rogue 20/Assassin 10/Fighter 10. I figure (basing this on one or two intermediate deities in the Deities & Demigods 3.0 book), that this would surmise most of his abilities.
I'm not one to play something like this as the actual deity (only as an avatar, as the stats given are only avatars in my humble opinion).
There you have it, and good luck to you.
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woodwwad
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jul 2010 : 21:13:15
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Originally posted by Darkmeer
There is also a 20-level Assassin core class in the Green Ronin Assassin's handbook. It's rather nifty if you can find a copy.
The other thought, provided that you have both a copy of Lost Empires of Faerun and/or Dragon 288 (there was a template for the Bhaalspawn in that), and of course the 2e source Faiths & Avatars (where he is a multiclass rogue/fighter).
Given some time to think about this, my personal interpretation of Bhaal, given that he was an intermediate power at the time of his death, would be (3.5 classes and levels only): Rogue 20/Assassin 10/Fighter 10. I figure (basing this on one or two intermediate deities in the Deities & Demigods 3.0 book), that this would surmise most of his abilities.
I'm not one to play something like this as the actual deity (only as an avatar, as the stats given are only avatars in my humble opinion).
There you have it, and good luck to you.
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Yes, I have that green ronin book but it wouldn't seem like the best for a FR deity, for some reason I feel it would be better to use wotc classes for him. There is also a 20 level write up for an assassin class in Legends & Lairs city book (cannot recall the exact name) which is maybe the most broken assassin version of the class & is also 20 levels.
So you think Fighter is more sutible than Ranger?
By the way, thanks to everyone for your ideas. |
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woodwwad
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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 01 Jul 2010 : 23:19:34
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Originally posted by woodwwad
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Originally posted by dracons
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Originally posted by woodwwad
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
If you're going for a non-divine, non-mortal Bhaal, I'd make him a 'divine rank 0' NPC; also known as a 'quasi-deity', it makes the character immortal (for purposes of aging), grants DR, etc. For class levels, I'd go with Ranger 5/Rogue 5/Assassin 20, if you want to keep it simple, or if you want to min/max (not really necessary, given the levels involved) I'd go with Ftr4/Rog6/Invisible Blade5/Assassin15... this combo lets him sneak attack with a dagger every round (since he gets a free feint every round).
yeah, I'd planned on using Divine Rank 0. Assassin is only a 10 level class. I hadn't thought of Invisible Blade but as a dagger user that would make sense. I think I like the idea of Ranger better than Fighter upon thinking about it.
Thanks for your imput guys, I'd certainly be happy to read anyone else's ideas should they choose to share.
You can advance assassin after level 20, assuming you have at least ten levels in it.
where is a 20 level write up for Assassin class?
It's not a 20 level assassin class, it is the Epic Level Assassin progression, which is found in the Epic Level Handbook; I believe that it's also in the SRD. |
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Razz
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Posted - 02 Jul 2010 : 04:00:53
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| Don't forget he would also have unique, deity-specific abilities beyond his class abilities. Otherwise he'd be no different than a classed outsider with Divine Rank 0 attached. You'd have to convert some of these from his avatar form from 2E, probably, and check through a lot of monsters to see if you can borrow "death-dealing, murder-like, hunter-type" special abilities. Giving him free access to his cleric domains granted powers using character level to determine the strength of such abilities is a good start. |
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Darkmeer
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 17:37:20
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Originally posted by woodwwad
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Originally posted by Darkmeer
There is also a 20-level Assassin core class in the Green Ronin Assassin's handbook. It's rather nifty if you can find a copy.
The other thought, provided that you have both a copy of Lost Empires of Faerun and/or Dragon 288 (there was a template for the Bhaalspawn in that), and of course the 2e source Faiths & Avatars (where he is a multiclass rogue/fighter).
Given some time to think about this, my personal interpretation of Bhaal, given that he was an intermediate power at the time of his death, would be (3.5 classes and levels only): Rogue 20/Assassin 10/Fighter 10. I figure (basing this on one or two intermediate deities in the Deities & Demigods 3.0 book), that this would surmise most of his abilities.
I'm not one to play something like this as the actual deity (only as an avatar, as the stats given are only avatars in my humble opinion).
There you have it, and good luck to you.
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Yes, I have that green ronin book but it wouldn't seem like the best for a FR deity, for some reason I feel it would be better to use wotc classes for him. There is also a 20 level write up for an assassin class in Legends & Lairs city book (cannot recall the exact name) which is maybe the most broken assassin version of the class & is also 20 levels.
So you think Fighter is more sutible than Ranger?
By the way, thanks to everyone for your ideas.
Yes, I think Fighter is more suitable. Bhaal hates everyone, so unless you have favored enemy "Everyone and everything," it wouldn't fit. The two-weapon fighting and other similar feats are done just as well (or better) using a fighter as your base. Buying ranks in Survival and tracking in 3.5 isn't the greatest, but I can see Bhaal holding avatars with the different classes in his realm. Perhaps one of his avatars is instead a rogue 10/Ranger 10/Assassin 20.
Another thought is what Razz has pointed out. A "Locate Creature" ability would be perfect given his portfolio, and would require no effort on Bhaal's part really (for a class level).
Anyhoo, I hope I helped.
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Bhaal 3.5 stats?
