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Jelennet
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 05 May 2010 : 05:34:32
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Another noob's question. Which class is more powerful - sorcerer or wizard? Can Simbul beat Khelben or Elminster in a duel?
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 06:01:24
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| That is complicated question. Wizards need to anticipate the tactics of the sorcerer and ready the needed spells, while sorcerers just need to act on the grounds. Wizards have advantage, knowing the methods to prevent spellcaster from unleashing his magic. But sorcerers act faster. |
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Marquant Volker
Learned Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 09:18:54
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| Im quite sure that Simbul thought of beating Elminster at certain times...! However powerplay is not my favourite part of the Realms. |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 10:11:26
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Well, the second question is not so interesting. If to consider the ending of Edwin in BG2:ToB canon with all his characteristics to the end of the game, then she has no chance against the Elminster.
The first one is eternal like struggle of githiyanki and githzerai. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 19:25:40
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As a lvl 24 wiz. I have taken many a sorc down. They are not diciplined, they have no knowledge of the art and tto me they seen like children in need of a good spancking!
No to be honest, if a wizard is doing his job, he will have a spell for every situation.
To me a sorcere is like rogues... I DONT like them! |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 20:47:24
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
As a lvl 24 wiz. I have taken many a sorc down. They are not diciplined, they have no knowledge of the art and tto me they seen like children in need of a good spancking!
No to be honest, if a wizard is doing his job, he will have a spell for every situation.
To me a sorcere is like rogues... I DONT like them!
Yeah... One day I have to introduce you to Azan Leshere, my half-elven Sorcerer/Rogue/Arcane Trickster.
Spoiler:SNEAK ATTACK! |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 23:10:22
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I have to agree with Ashe to a degree.
Sorcerers with levels in a class that gives sneak attack can be MONSTERS. Even something as simple as a Ray of Frost can become a killer.
Over all, however, Wizards should have the ability to at least survive any encounter at higher levels...and then re-equip their abilities to deal with individual threats. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 00:37:49
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I'll take up any challenge with my Wizard. The spells I've got. BRING IT!!! 
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 04:55:33
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Make your bids, ladies and gentlemen. |
You can hear many tales from many mouths. The most difficult is to know which of them are not lies. - Sill Alias
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 05:51:40
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Since their introduction in 3E, I've preferred sorcerers to wizards. Yeah, wizards have more spells available, but the downside is that a wizard with the wrong spells prepared is just as useful as a wizard with no spells prepared. A sorcerer, on the other hand, can toss off fewer spells per day, but if he knows a spell, it's available to him. In my mind, the tactical versatility of a sorcerer far outweighs the strategic versatility of a wizard. The sorcerer is always ready right now, while the wizard might not be ready until tomorrow.
It's kinda like X vs. Y debates, whether we're talking about a class or a specific NPC. In a lot of those debates, X can win in one set of circumstances, and Y can win in another. A skilled swordsman three feet away from a skilled wizard has a distinct advantage -- move that swordsman 100 feet out, and the wizard has the advantage. A wizard will have the advantage over a sorcerer if the wizard is prepared for a fight -- but in any other situation, the sorcerer has it. |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 05:56:43
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| Now, I have a noob question. When you try to penetrate Mresistance, on which characteristics it is based? |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 11:59:42
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Caster level + feats + d20
Thats how you penetrate that.
I gotta say that even thou a wizard could win in some situations and a sorcere in others, the charactaristic of a wizard is just so much deep. I find that sorceres' has less respect for "the art" I dont know but theres just something about them.
But I still feel that a wizard will have the advantage in every fight. Unless ofc he has no memorized spell at all! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 12:09:49
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Did you guys know the Sorc was a last minute addition to 3E.
Rich Baker made the class up.
They figured out that the Wizard Class was going to have a 3rd of the book devoted to them. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 12:50:44
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Caster level + feats + d20
Thats how you penetrate that.
I gotta say that even thou a wizard could win in some situations and a sorcere in others, the charactaristic of a wizard is just so much deep. I find that sorceres' has less respect for "the art" I dont know but theres just something about them.
But I still feel that a wizard will have the advantage in every fight. Unless ofc he has no memorized spell at all!
How do you figure sorcerers don't respect the Art? Are you saying something can't be respected if it's felt instead of studied?
A wizard who memorizes only utility spells is going to be useless in combat. A sorcerer will never be in that position. Nor will a sorcerer ever be in the position of having tossed all his offensive spells and having only non-combat spells left. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 13:27:08
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Well what wizard wil only memorize utility spells??? A propper dush bag!
Now... my statement that sorceres' dont have the same respect of the art as wizards might not be completely want I mean to say! There just this aura this rogueish feeling about them. Undiciplined in some way. And powerful in combat... hmm... most of the time a skilled well trained wizard will know what he's doing so that he will never be cought totally off guard.
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 13:29:52
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Did you guys know the Sorc was a last minute addition to 3E.
Rich Baker made the class up.
They figured out that the Wizard Class was going to have a 3rd of the book devoted to them.
Now I wonder if they rushed it into the BG2 game (which was 2E but with what I considered a preview of 3E) |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 13:31:09
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Sorcerers with levels in a class that gives sneak attack can be MONSTERS. Even something as simple as a Ray of Frost can become a killer.
Heh, combine that with the optional feat to have Cantrips be unlimited use (or whatever the Pathfinder equivalent is)...deadly!! |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 13:40:43
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| they are sneeky ones... dont like that! |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 13:42:29
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
they are sneeky ones... dont like that!
You prefer a straight up mano-a-mano match up? Only losers fight fair  |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 13:44:16
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*ahem*
Before the arguments really start. May I point out one little fact about wizards that (almost) every 3E gamer I know has forgotten?
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http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#wizardSpellSelectionandPreparation
When preparing spells for the day, a wizard can leave some of these spell slots open. Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes, time and circumstances permitting. During these extra sessions of preparation, the wizard can fill these unused spell slots. She cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because she has cast a spell in the meantime. That sort of preparation requires a mind fresh from rest. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if the wizard prepares more than one-quarter of her spells.
So, as long as the wizard chooses to leave a few slots open, they only need 15 minutes later on to get "the right spell".
Now, as far as Sorcerers vs. Wizards? Each has their place. I REALLY like what Pathfinder's done with the Sorcerer bloodlines to make them stand out. In the Realms, I see sorcerers as being true "children of the Weave". This does not make them better or worse than wizards. 
My character preference depends on how I'm going to play him. For Azan, he was a half-elf from a small community in Aglarond that distrusted arcane magic due to all the problems they'd had with Red Wizards (they respected the Simbul for keeping Thay at bay, but saw her more as the 'lesser of two evils'). Having his abilities forced upon him made for a more interesting back-story and the reason he left home. A wizard in this case would have been entirely different since he would be actively seeking to study magic and the dynamic of his character would be radically changed. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 13:52:44
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| I will turn you attention to the fact that my wiz never have lost a fight with a sorcere. They just keep hurling the same spells again and again! Never have I lost a fight agains a wizard... But yes I prefer the strait up fight!!! |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 14:12:42
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| that proves nothing except prehaps that you haven't gone 1-1 against a Sorc with the same ammount of thought-about munchkinning as your wizard :p |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 14:22:58
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| he he... might be true! But my feeling is that a well played wizard is more powerful than a well played sorcere!!! |
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 14:53:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Caster level + feats + d20
Thats how you penetrate that.
I gotta say that even thou a wizard could win in some situations and a sorcere in others, the charactaristic of a wizard is just so much deep. I find that sorceres' has less respect for "the art" I dont know but theres just something about them.
But I still feel that a wizard will have the advantage in every fight. Unless ofc he has no memorized spell at all!
How do you figure sorcerers don't respect the Art? Are you saying something can't be respected if it's felt instead of studied?
A wizard who memorizes only utility spells is going to be useless in combat. A sorcerer will never be in that position. Nor will a sorcerer ever be in the position of having tossed all his offensive spells and having only non-combat spells left.
The respect of the art? What, has Candlekeep moved to Thay now? Wasn't Thay in 3.5 very unwelcoming to Sorcerers and their ilk (Favored souls, etc)? Given this thought, Nicolai, are you from Thay?
On a more serious note, neither class is more powerful, in my not-so-humble opinion. They are powerful in different ways, but neither should outstrip the other, as far as overall power level goes. The only thing that differentiates them, is that the Wizard requires more planning, while the sorcerer sometimes has to be very creative with what it knows.
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Alisttair
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 14:54:22
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| Thanks for reminding us Ashe. That is something I NEVER remembered while playing a wizard in 3E and regret not taking it into consideration. Could have been much valuable in a few circumstances. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 00:43:32
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
*ahem*
Before the arguments really start. May I point out one little fact about wizards that (almost) every 3E gamer I know has forgotten?
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http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#wizardSpellSelectionandPreparation
When preparing spells for the day, a wizard can leave some of these spell slots open. Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes, time and circumstances permitting. During these extra sessions of preparation, the wizard can fill these unused spell slots. She cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because she has cast a spell in the meantime. That sort of preparation requires a mind fresh from rest. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if the wizard prepares more than one-quarter of her spells.
So, as long as the wizard chooses to leave a few slots open, they only need 15 minutes later on to get "the right spell".
That's not the same as selecting spells on the fly, and it still doesn't cover the possibility of having memorized utility spells. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 00:45:34
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Well what wizard wil only memorize utility spells??? A propper dush bag!
Now... my statement that sorceres' dont have the same respect of the art as wizards might not be completely want I mean to say! There just this aura this rogueish feeling about them. Undiciplined in some way. And powerful in combat... hmm... most of the time a skilled well trained wizard will know what he's doing so that he will never be cought totally off guard.
Yeah, because it's totally unreasonable for a wizard to assume he's not going to be getting into combat. I know that my wizard, spending a week doing research in Candlekeep, still makes sure he's got plenty of fireballs and lightning bolts memorized! 
There is more to D&D than combat. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 00:47:52
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I will turn you attention to the fact that my wiz never have lost a fight with a sorcere. They just keep hurling the same spells again and again! Never have I lost a fight agains a wizard... But yes I prefer the strait up fight!!!
This means nothing. Most NPCs or monsters can be a lot deadlier than people would expect, if only the DM running them used them to their full potential. Many DMs never learn this lesson. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 02:43:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
*ahem*
Before the arguments really start. May I point out one little fact about wizards that (almost) every 3E gamer I know has forgotten?
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http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#wizardSpellSelectionandPreparation
When preparing spells for the day, a wizard can leave some of these spell slots open. Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes, time and circumstances permitting. During these extra sessions of preparation, the wizard can fill these unused spell slots. She cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because she has cast a spell in the meantime. That sort of preparation requires a mind fresh from rest. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if the wizard prepares more than one-quarter of her spells.
So, as long as the wizard chooses to leave a few slots open, they only need 15 minutes later on to get "the right spell".
That's not the same as selecting spells on the fly, and it still doesn't cover the possibility of having memorized utility spells.
I agree. Sorcerers are terrific in that regard (which is why they are so good for multiclassing with rogues and such). |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 02:45:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I will turn you attention to the fact that my wiz never have lost a fight with a sorcere. They just keep hurling the same spells again and again! Never have I lost a fight agains a wizard... But yes I prefer the strait up fight!!!
This means nothing. Most NPCs or monsters can be a lot deadlier than people would expect, if only the DM running them used them to their full potential. Many DMs never learn this lesson.
What's really fun is having a sorcerer that knows Dispel Magic and Improved Counterspell feat. |
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 03:21:51
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Originally posted by Jelennet
Another noob's question. Which class is more powerful - sorcerer or wizard? Can Simbul beat Khelben or Elminster in a duel?
Neither class is more powerful. They are however suited to different approaches to adventuring.
The Simbul is more powerful than Khelben, and is more powerful than Elminster with regard to the arcane, but overall he is a higher level character with regard to his experience in other classes. However it can be argued that the Simbul's supernatural abilities (shapechange, protection from spells, transform into chain lightning, etc) more than compensate for the benefits Elminster receives from his levels as a fighter, rogue, and cleric.
However using the Simbul and Elminster as an example of which of these classes is more powerful is not an effective comparison. Specifically because Elminster has 5 levels in archmage, 3 in cleric, 2 in rogue and 1 in fighter. Meanwhile the Simbul has 10 levels in wizard, and 2 levels in archmage. Add that to their above-average secondary ability scores, their Chosen templates, additional powers, and non-magical feat selections (Leadership, Epic Reputation, Blooded, Combat Expertise, etc) and you further dilute the core classes in the portrait mixture of these character's statistics. You would be better off finding stats for Hennet and Mialee and using those to contrast the 3E versions of these classes.
None of these characters you mentioned would be likely to seek battle with each other, given that they all serve(d) the same goddess and overall goals. As for an account of the rare circumstances that resulted in a clash in the past, we do have a flashback in Elminster in Hell:
SPOILER
Elminster confronted the Simbul in the Year of Burning Steel (1246 DR) when he first learned of her through rumors as an unknown mage-slayer in the East who had taken up a role in the royal court of Aglarond. After "preparing for the worst spell battle of his life" (as phrased by the Srinshee in her advice to him) he ambushed the Simbul after she slew Thayan assassins posing as emissaries in Velprintalar, accusing her of recklessly murdering mages. They battled for several pages, but eventually Elminster gained the upper hand merely by virtue of his non-magical talents, specifically his somewhat superior skill with a dagger, but ended his assault when he realized the Simbul was bleeding silver fire--thus realizing that, like he, she also was a Chosen of Mystra.
Despite the fact that she was ambushed, unprepared, and that more than a century took place between the time of that battle and the first "present day" in realms calendar when released--the Simbul still managed to hold her own, and lost when she assumed her opponent would be more vulnerable in an spell-negating prison than she would be.
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
That is complicated question. Wizards need to anticipate the tactics of the sorcerer and ready the needed spells, while sorcerers just need to act on the grounds. Wizards have advantage, knowing the methods to prevent spellcaster from unleashing his magic. But sorcerers act faster.
There are many methods to prevent a spellcaster from unleashing magic, and they do not all require an abnormal or esoteric selection of spells nor would they be necessarily unknown to a sorcerer.
Readying an action to hit them with a lightning bolt as soon as they try to concentrate on casting a spell is all you really need.
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Well, the second question is not so interesting. If to consider the ending of Edwin in BG2:ToB canon with all his characteristics to the end of the game, then she has no chance against the Elminster.
Edwin had 2E AD&D game statistics, and the Simbul was more powerful than Elminster in 2E (and far more practiced at slaying Red Wizards).
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
As a lvl 24 wiz. I have taken many a sorc down. They are not diciplined, they have no knowledge of the art and tto me they seen like children in need of a good spancking!
No to be honest, if a wizard is doing his job, he will have a spell for every situation.
By contrast, if a sorcerer is doing her job she will have a spell known to cover a myriad of situations as well. You do not need a set of highly specific, limited use spells to succeed in D&D.
The tactical advantages that wizard can gain by having darkvision, disguise self, water breathing, fly, and spider climb in his spellbook can just as easily be accomplished by sorcerer who merely has alter self in her spell repertoire.
While a well planned wizard can potentially prepare spells for every situation a well planned sorcerer can be just as versatile in the moment with a well rounded, prudent, and versatile spell selection.
If the DM truly chooses to have some rarely selected, limited use spell be the ONE AND ONLY way to finish a quest, then in the time it takes the wizard to purchase, scribe, learn, and prepare the spell a sorcerer can just as easily teleport to the nearest metropolis and go buy a scroll.
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
I have to agree with Ashe to a degree.
Sorcerers with levels in a class that gives sneak attack can be MONSTERS. Even something as simple as a Ray of Frost can become a killer.
Over all, however, Wizards should have the ability to at least survive any encounter at higher levels...and then re-equip their abilities to deal with individual threats.
Even without a prestige class a sorcerer is the wizards equal. The bonus feats a wizard receives serve to patch up their weaknesses--Spell Mastery serves to insure against spellbook loss, and bonus Item Creation compensates for low spell capacity and no spontaneous spellcasting at all (unlike clerics, druids, etc).
Regarding the escape and regroup option--the problem is that sometimes this is not an option at all. If Szass Tam is going to perform the Rite of Unmaking today then chances are you wont have 24 extra hours to go fine tune your spell selection.
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
*ahem*
Before the arguments really start. May I point out one little fact about wizards that (almost) every 3E gamer I know has forgotten?
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http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#wizardSpellSelectionandPreparation
When preparing spells for the day, a wizard can leave some of these spell slots open. Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes, time and circumstances permitting. During these extra sessions of preparation, the wizard can fill these unused spell slots. She cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because she has cast a spell in the meantime. That sort of preparation requires a mind fresh from rest. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if the wizard prepares more than one-quarter of her spells.
So, as long as the wizard chooses to leave a few slots open, they only need 15 minutes later on to get "the right spell".
While I rarely every play 3E anymore I certainly never forgot this fact.
The problem is that this assumes you will have the luxury of 15 minutes to study your spellbook in relative peace. In addition, each spell slot you leave open is one less spell you can use in the heat of battle, and wizards already have the fewest spells per day of the pure caster classes..
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I will turn you attention to the fact that my wiz never have lost a fight with a sorcere. They just keep hurling the same spells again and again! Never have I lost a fight agains a wizard... But yes I prefer the strait up fight!!!
The typical result of casting the same spell over and over again is that eventually the enemy drops to 0hp, or fails a saving throw against a devastating status effect. It does not matter what attack spell you actually use as long as it achieves one or the other. |
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