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Jelennet
Learned Scribe
Russia
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 Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:02:24
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I've read that people in Realms can be resurrected. Is that true? Or it is a mistake?
Is that a cheap or an expensive spell? Can an average peasant or an average noble afford it? Does it require any spell components?
Can somebody who died of old age be resurrected?
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:11:23
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| Resurrection is an expensive and high level spell. Some nobles could afford it, but there is always the other problems that follow. A peasants only hope would be that a high level priest for some reason decided he should live or that someone owed him a really big favour. Inheritance problems, favours now owed to a specifies religious group (resurrection is a priest spell). No, someone who died of old age could not be resurrected as far as I now. |
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Jelennet
Learned Scribe
Russia
131 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:17:57
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| And why is it so expensive? |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:26:03
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Because its high level, demands a powerful priest (which is rare) and spells are given by deities. The higher the level of the spell and the spell caster the more expensive the spell. I wonder if there is a cost to be paid by the priest to in some form (does he age?), but I am unsure. Often money isn't even enough. I cant remember the material components (if any) right now as I dislike the spell and never use it in my games.
And a simple reason is that it would unbalance the gameworld severely if it was cheap. |
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Artemel
Learned Scribe
USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:27:04
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| Game mechanics mostly. In game reasoning could be that it requires a lot of ceremonial items that are consumed, hence leading to a high price. I think the main component is thousands of gold pieces of diamonds or somesuch. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:27:59
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| Also, the person must be willing to return. Remember, if they'd lived a life in good service to their deity, they might not WANT to return. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:30:40
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Found it. 2nd edition version: The material component is simply holy water and the holy symbol. But the caster also ages three years and can cast no more magic until he is rested.
Its not easy to find someone willing to part with three years of their lives for you, and I imagine that it is quite a painful experience for the priest. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:34:02
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Found it. 2nd edition version: The material component is simply holy water and the holy symbol. But the caster also ages three years and can cast no more magic until he is rested.
Its not easy to find someone willing to part with three years of their lives for you, and I imagine that it is quite a painful experience for the priest.
Ahh... in 3rd Edition, the aging no longer occurs, but the materials required are holy water and 10,000 gp worth of diamond dust. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:38:12
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
Found it. 2nd edition version: The material component is simply holy water and the holy symbol. But the caster also ages three years and can cast no more magic until he is rested.
Its not easy to find someone willing to part with three years of their lives for you, and I imagine that it is quite a painful experience for the priest.
Ahh... in 3rd Edition, the aging no longer occurs, but the materials required are holy water and 10,000 gp worth of diamond dust.
Then I prefer the 2nd edition version. Even rich high level characters think a moment when loosing part of their lives are at stake. And they can understand the priests refusing. And 10000 is cheap in the D&D systems inflated economy.
Generality ageing and level drain is the only thing that really scare players in my experience. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:44:19
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I should mention though, that there is also the spell Raise Dead, that does not take from the casters life force and is of lower level. But this spell does not heal its subject and it must be cast within days of the death.
That spell I always found even more unbalancing and I have generally gotten agreement from the players that it should be left out of the game. Being brought back to life should be a miracle. |
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Jelennet
Learned Scribe
Russia
131 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:50:55
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| Is this spell Raise Dead cheap or expensive? Can peasants or nobles afford it? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:53:46
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To put it simply; peasants cant afford anything and most nobles could probably pay the economic price, but the family would be hesitant to pay whatever else the faith demanded. And the heir might not be interested in it being done either.
This is probably the most posting I have done in one day since I joined this site. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3243 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 15:55:40
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I agree with Jorkens ( ). Most peasants will not be able to afford the cost. And, unless a noble meets with foul play, bring them back is a huge head-ache regarding inheritance laws and such. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 16:02:17
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Ed has always stated that just because a character prays for 'resurrection' or any other specific spell, doesn't necessarily mean they get it granted to them. Especially if they're not 100% in the correct worshipping groove.
I think that in the general Realms, resurrection and restoration of life should be rare at best. |
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_Jarlaxle_
Senior Scribe
Germany
584 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 16:31:35
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| Well Erevis Cale showed us that you just have to blackmail your god to grant you the spell ;) |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 20:42:33
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
Well Erevis Cale showed us that you just have to blackmail your god to grant you the spell ;)
In general I think that's a really, really bad idea though. Jumping into volcanoes is probably a safer hobby. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 20:43:33
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
I agree with Jorkens ().
You say that like its a rare happening . |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2010 : 05:03:39
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Or it is better to find an immortal being (celestial) or long living race (elves). Elven priests for everyone.
By the way, what about resurrection rods? Is it easier to make one than to cast some times? |
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Fizilbert
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 12:42:09
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I dont know how the rules of item creation are with 3E and later, but in 2E if you wanted to create an item with 10 charges, you would have to cast that spell 10 times. Thus, in the case of resurrection, a priest making a rod with 10 charges would have to lose 30 years of life.
Again, these are all suppose to be part of the check and balance of the game. You really dont want to make resurrection cheap and affordable for the average person. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2010 : 16:52:13
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Trying to find a celestial is a fitting quest, but it would be even worse than finding a cleric to do the job, unless the celestial supported the cause that the character had died pursuing. Actually, that's the way the spell should work in the first place in my opinion.
As for elves; giving away part of their lives is in many ways even worse for them and they are not easily bribed. And why would the elven deity see that character brought back to life at all? There is also the question whether they would be able to cast the spell. I know Raise Dead doesn't work on elves, but I am unsure where Resurrection is concerned. |
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AspiringSage
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 14 May 2010 : 18:54:48
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| Also, in 3E if resurrection is used the character loses a level. True resurrection does not cause the level loss, but requires a higher cleric, and 25,000 gp of diamond dust |
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