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althen artren
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 04:22:00
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Does anybody know the name of the elven assassin order that
goes around killing mages that try and duplicate the killing
storms? I know that this name is mentioned along in the same
area as a blurb about Tolodine and his work in whatever supplement.
I can't remember anywhere I read it.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 13:47:17
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Originally posted by althen artren
Does anybody know the name of the elven assassin order that
goes around killing mages that try and duplicate the killing
storms? I know that this name is mentioned along in the same
area as a blurb about Tolodine and his work in whatever supplement.
I can't remember anywhere I read it.
"Cormanthyr" mentions that people who try and replicate this spell get killed by elves but doesn't mention any specific group of elven assassins who undertake the task. Similarly I can't find any reference to Tolodine that mentions elven assassins either.
-- George Krashos
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 15:30:01
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I don't think there's any one particular order, and I'm almost certain it's never been named. Instead, it seems to be more a general watch elves everywhere would keep on nearby humans. I imagine that while it existed Eaerlann was probably home to much of this watch-and-destroy attitude; they seem to have the right kind of aggressiveness, and they're neighbors of Netheril. Myth Drannor probably did it for the three survivor states after Karsus's Folly.
These days, the watch has probably moved to Evermeet, but whether it's run out of the Palace, or done by the High Mages, or (my personal guess) whether it's just a general alliance of elves of power coming together when needed, is left open to discussion.
It would make a great high-level all-elf campaign, though. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 16:28:23
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 16:59:53
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Originally posted by Quale
Olin Gisir
I thought they were more about Demonlore? |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Edited by - Brimstone on 27 Apr 2010 17:01:12 |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 17:16:42
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| I'm afb, but I'm almost positive that the Olin Gisir are *not* the assassins. They're essentially just elven loremasters, especially from a mechanics standpoint (the advancement is almost identical). Now, granted, they would likely be part of the "overwatch" organization, but they're sages. They're not assassins or war mages (by which I mean battle-trained wizards skilled in magical fighting). They wouldn't be the ones bursting into towers killing people very dead. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 17:23:48
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
I'm afb, but I'm almost positive that the Olin Gisir are *not* the assassins. They're essentially just elven loremasters, especially from a mechanics standpoint (the advancement is almost identical). Now, granted, they would likely be part of the "overwatch" organization, but they're sages. They're not assassins or war mages (by which I mean battle-trained wizards skilled in magical fighting). They wouldn't be the ones bursting into towers killing people very dead.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 18:39:12
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| Althen, you sure you're not thinking of the Eldreth Veluuthra? Like the other I can't recall a specific elven organization that targets solely mages. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 20:51:02
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| I remember something about this, but only (a) what GK has said, and (b) enough to be almost positive that there's a source other than Cormanthyr that talks about the group. I'll do some research and get back to this scroll... I hope. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 22:21:29
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It's a thread Steven Schend likes to weave into things. There's a mention of the assassins in Blackstaff, though again it's left at just that. The sentence is something along the lines of "It's only been unleashed once, but every few decades some fool figures out enough to bring elven assassins down on his head and wipe away both mage and notes."
I'm butchering the quote, but I can't find the passage in Blackstaff, and the gist is accurate. There's no name or nation associated with it, just "elven assassins." I figure these days the chore is distributed across the continent, with trusted elven archmages keeping watch, and then calling on whoever they need and is handy (including maybe hired adventurers for some of the grunt work) when they catch a scent. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 20:06:44
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I kinda like the idea of an Olin Gisir version of the Jesuits (or rather, the 'fabled' true agenda of the Jesuits).
In other words, the Olin Gisir keep track of such things, and then contact certain secret members to take care of it, depending on the location and parties involved. That means that the Eldreth Veluthra could very well be some of those assassins, or perhaps even a Drow organization or house, depending on the what the situation warranted.
That's just how I would personally spin it (nothing canon) - I have always loved the 'wheels within wheels' feel of the Realms, and thinking that the Olin Gisir is a 'front' for an Elven watchdog group that crosses the usual political boundaries tickles my FR Fanboi.
Who knows? Maybe Elaith Craulnober's whole persona is a cover for his being in mainland Faerūn (also obviously not canon, but fun to think about). He would be the perfect candidate for an amoral, clandestine Elven group. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 22:30:42
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I wouldn't call them "amoral." From their perspective, they're being very moral, preventing a great tragedy from happening again. They're just... not very legal. And yeah, Elaith would be high on my list too.
For the record, that's kind of how I envisioned them too. To borrow a computing term, they'd be sort of a "distributed network." |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2010 : 16:55:08
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Amoral in respect to them having no problem wiping-out whoever they need to, which could even include a large cabal a wizards, many of whom may not even know what their leaders are up to. They would have no problem obliterating a stronghold like this, leaving no witnesses behind.
In other words - they could easily compromise their own sensibilities for 'the greater good'.
And to better explain my post above, I'm not seeing the Olin Gisir as this organization, but rather be the 'hiding place' for a secret group within that group - one that most Olin Gisir would be oblivious to. Almost like the Black Ajah in WoT, or the "Sisters of the Dark" in SoT, or even like the Sith in Star Wars (Yes, it has been beaten to death, but its still pretty cool). |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 May 2010 : 03:52:05
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No, im positive its not the Eldreth Veluuthra. And good eyes
Hoondatha. I've forgotten all about that quote in
Blackstaff.
I'll just ask Ed. If there is an answer, he'll have it. Maybe
ask SES too. |
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