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Math Mannaman
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 Posted - 24 Apr 2010 : 22:55:16
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Hello - I have been wondering if there are any stats for these creatures for 3.5 or if anyone has a suggestion for an equivalent monster.
Thanks Math
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Cleric Generic
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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 00:47:56
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| There are no official 3.5e stats. In 3.Xe, ghazneths would be best dealt with by means of a template. I can't recall seeing one though. And considering that there is only one ghazneth left alive ... there might not be much point coming up with one. |
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Cleric Generic
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 01:03:51
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so... What you're saying is that what we really need is a zombie/wraith/lich/mummy Ghazneth stat block? >:)
Right, looked them up on the FR wiki. I think you could probably get away with slapping the half-fiend template on a high level evil spellcaster, and depending how crazy powerful you want them to be, or how much you hate your PCs, you could use the Infernal Aberration from the Epic Level Hand Book... |
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freyar
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 16:14:41
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| Why is Rowan Cormaeril not among them? I'm really interested in statting him... |
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Math Mannaman
Acolyte
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 16:19:47
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| Fantastic Freyar! Exactly what I was looking for! Cheers |
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Math Mannaman
Acolyte
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 16:30:15
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Was there ever a discussion of the amount of 'stored magic' they would typically have when encountered? They have some nasty abilities...
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Math Mannaman
Acolyte
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 16:02:36
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I also found this: ""Because they must be destroyed by an Obarskyr, Ghazneths are only appropriate villains for a story which features an Obarskyr as the main character, else we are forced to watch that character be "saved" by some royal from the ghazneth.""
from this thread: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2320
Does anyone know the specifics of this? Is there something in particular that the Obarskyr has to do? One of my PCs took the 'Bastard of Azoun' background feat from Champions of Valor, and while my campaign is not focusing on the death of the dragon events, we are passing by these events. I wanted to put one of the lesser ghazneth against the party during this period. Does the Obarskyr character have to deal the final blow, or is there something more specific they have to do. I cant remember from the books it been so long.... |
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freyar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 16:10:15
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Orginally posted by Math Mannaman
Was there ever a discussion of the amount of 'stored magic' they would typically have when encountered? They have some nasty abilities...
I don't recall (though you can skim through the ENWorld thread below to see). I'd say that the DM should determine based either randomly or based on the adventure plot. These aren't random encounters, really good BBEGs for sections of adventures, so it's probably worth thinking about in terms of the adventure. Also, note that we didn't specify that these have to be killed by an Obarskyr, since we wanted the DM to have some freedom in specifying how they can be destroyed (rather like a ghost).
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Originally posted by Zireael
Why is Rowan Cormaeril not among them? I'm really interested in statting him...
Well, we got the 2e stats from Dragon Magazine Annual #4 (from 1999), which didn't list Rowen. I know there's another thread around Candlekeep on ghazneths that have some stats for Rowen copied from the WotC forums (though I'd prefer a treatment like what we did at the Creature Catalog): Ghazneths
Of course, if you'd like us at the CC to tackle it, head over to the CC ghazneth conversion thread and just ask. We'll need some info on Rowen's abilities and probably relative power level (since he's youngest, he should probably be no stronger than Xanthon, which is one reason I'm confused about the stats listed in the above thread), but we're happy to take conversion requests.  |
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Jakk
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 20:34:08
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On a related note, does anyone know anything more about the elven Trees of the Body that were used by Lorelei Alavara (later Nalavarauthatoryl) in the ghazneth creation ritual? They're probably NDA, seeing as they have no further relevance to the setting post-Spellplague...  |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 15:58:13
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Originally posted by freyar
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Originally posted by Zireael
Why is Rowan Cormaeril not among them? I'm really interested in statting him...
Well, we got the 2e stats from Dragon Magazine Annual #4 (from 1999), which didn't list Rowen. I know there's another thread around Candlekeep on ghazneths that have some stats for Rowen copied from the WotC forums (though I'd prefer a treatment like what we did at the Creature Catalog): Ghazneths
Of course, if you'd like us at the CC to tackle it, head over to the CC ghazneth conversion thread and just ask. We'll need some info on Rowen's abilities and probably relative power level (since he's youngest, he should probably be no stronger than Xanthon, which is one reason I'm confused about the stats listed in the above thread), but we're happy to take conversion requests.
And if I asked here? xD
I'd like for Rowan to have a possibility of taking a few levels of ranger or scout. I haven't decided yet, so I'd like to have a ghazneth around Xanthon's level and tweak him later myself. |
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freyar
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Posted - 30 Apr 2010 : 14:14:58
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Originally posted by Zireael
And if I asked here? xD
I'd like for Rowan to have a possibility of taking a few levels of ranger or scout. I haven't decided yet, so I'd like to have a ghazneth around Xanthon's level and tweak him later myself.
Well, if you ask nicely....  If you can tell me Rowen's abilities, I'll be happy to carry the info over to EN World.
Regarding advancement via class levels, we'd considered each ghazneth as a unique monster at a "snapshot" in time, so we didn't give them advancement. As for class levels, you can add them if you want, but it might be better just to give him the appropriate abilities right off. While I'm usually not fond of exception-based design, the ghazneths are too unusual to fit into the normal 3.5 patterns. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 01 May 2010 : 11:04:16
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Well, I'd like for Rowan to have abilities of a scout of 5th level.
Apart from that, no special requests. All ghazneths suck in magic and destroy magic items, right? |
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freyar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 May 2010 : 16:09:21
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| He didn't have any special abilities in the novel? Ok. I'll see if I can get this started next week... |
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Zireael
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 08 May 2010 : 06:27:52
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Sort of on topic: Ed mentioned there's a cave in Cormyr where even the Ghazneths fear to tread. I've always wanted to no more about it, but the NDA wall is tall and unscalable at this point.
I used Ghazneths early on in my 3.0 Realms campaign: Had the players hunt for a Sphere of Annihilation in the lands of Shade on behalf of Cormyr. I made up my own stats and always had the Ghazneths at what I judged to be a hard EL (encounter level) vs. the overall strength of the party. That was fun, especially when they managed to have the sphere eat a Ghazneth. :)
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 May 2010 : 08:41:22
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That reminds me of a discussion on WotC forums re: what would happen if a ghazneth tried to suck in an anihillation sphere. Some people think it would create a grand explosion...  |
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 08 May 2010 : 20:07:06
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That was me, too. ;)
I was very cognizant of Sean K. Reynolds comments on Ghazneths: that they're not suitable for a campaign due to the fact that they can only be killed in a story-based manner (as was mentioned above in this thread). I *really* wanted to use them, so it seemed balanced (heh, crazy in hindsight, but hey being a DM is fun like that) to give my players a chance to cancel out that story-based element by use of an artifact. |
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freyar
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 09:15:02
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Originally posted by Zireael
How is Rowan coming up?
Just getting started, sorry. I've been busy and am just getting the chance to get him going. If you could summarize any information about him in this thread, it would be very helpful. |
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Zireael
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 13:22:39
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Hmm. Let's see:
- he was a scout, and a Purple Dragon to boot (but I don't think high enough to deserve the PrC)
- he had AD&D stats in Dragon's Annual #4, or so my sources tell me (unfortunately, I have no way to confirm it)
- he was Tanalasta's husband (got married in secret)
- he was the only Cormaeril loyal to the crown, his family did not especially like him
- he became a ghazneth against his will, and retained most of his mind and personality (he was devastated when he heard of Tana's death, among other things)
- he was Azoun V's father
Anything else I missed?
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Zireael
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Posted - 26 May 2010 : 10:58:06
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| Freyar? Did I miss anything about Rowen? |
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freyar
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Posted - 26 May 2010 : 13:27:57
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Hi there! Some sources have him listed as being the ghazneth of storms or lightning, though we've had some trouble confirming that from a canon reference. Do you know?
Sorry he's coming along so slowly. I've been traveling recently, and we've had some trouble figuring out how to fit scout abilities into the framework of the other ghazneths. He should go more quickly now. |
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Zireael
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Posted - 26 May 2010 : 13:44:36
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Originally posted by freyar
Hi there! Some sources have him listed as being the ghazneth of storms or lightning, though we've had some trouble confirming that from a canon reference. Do you know?
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Sorry, no idea. I recently read through the Death of the Dragon. It's never mentioned, AFAIK. Basically he is a ghazneth, full stop. Nothing more. And 'cause he runs away, it never matters... |
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coach
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Posted - 26 May 2010 : 23:49:27
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| canon reference is in Death of the Dragon at the very end where Rowan made it rain inside the king's tent |
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Jakk
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Posted - 27 May 2010 : 01:36:41
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
Sort of on topic: Ed mentioned there's a cave in Cormyr where even the Ghazneths fear to tread. I've always wanted to no more about it, but the NDA wall is tall and unscalable at this point.
Intriguing... what *is* known about this cave at this point?  |
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Posted - 27 May 2010 : 05:04:16
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Originally posted by Jakk
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
Sort of on topic: Ed mentioned there's a cave in Cormyr where even the Ghazneths fear to tread. I've always wanted to no more about it, but the NDA wall is tall and unscalable at this point.
Intriguing... what *is* known about this cave at this point?
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Jakk
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Posted - 27 May 2010 : 07:30:20
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| That would definitely explain why the Ghazneths fear it... and also why it's behind Wizbro's NDA wall... |
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Posted - 27 May 2010 : 13:58:27
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Originally posted by freyar
Hi there! Some sources have him listed as being the ghazneth of storms or lightning, though we've had some trouble confirming that from a canon reference. Do you know?
Sorry he's coming along so slowly. I've been traveling recently, and we've had some trouble figuring out how to fit scout abilities into the framework of the other ghazneths. He should go more quickly now.
Page 333 in the Hardcover.
The Seventh Scourge of Storms and Lightning.
Read it this morning.
I wonder whatever happened to Rowan after he ran off....
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freyar
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Posted - 27 May 2010 : 15:37:38
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| Thanks, coach and Brimstone! I haven't read that novel, so we're kind of relying on guesswork for the stats (and common features of all the ghazneths). |
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Zireael
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Posted - 27 May 2010 : 16:09:42
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by freyar
Hi there! Some sources have him listed as being the ghazneth of storms or lightning, though we've had some trouble confirming that from a canon reference. Do you know?
Sorry he's coming along so slowly. I've been traveling recently, and we've had some trouble figuring out how to fit scout abilities into the framework of the other ghazneths. He should go more quickly now.
Page 333 in the Hardcover.
The Seventh Scourge of Storms and Lightning.
Read it this morning.
I wonder whatever happened to Rowan after he ran off....
NDA....
Thanks!
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