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The Simbul
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Posted - 24 Apr 2010 :  04:22:40  Show Profile  Visit The Simbul's Homepage Send The Simbul a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
UPDATED!

We are now in the final stretch and the last two weeks of the competition.

Artemis has defeated Jaraxle, the Simbul has overcome Halaster, Tiamat has triumphed over Lolth, and the Raven Queen has slain the undying Vecna. The Final Four are:

THE SIMBUL vs The Raven Queen

ARTEMIS vs Tiamat

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There is an ongoing series of bracket voting matches on the D&D Official site. We are in the third week of bracket voting to determine which legendary D&D character will be featured in a season three D&D Encounters adventure.

Current bracket matches include the following (with the FR characters listed first, in bold, and in CAPS in case you did not know..though if that is the case I doubt why you are here)

* HALASTER vs Rajaat

* THE SIMBUL vs Iggwilv

* ARTEMIS vs Splugg the Goblin

* JARAXLE vs. Kitiara


There are also slightly more "Core D&D" matches with Lolth vs the Lady of Pain, Asmodeus vs Tiamat, Vecna vs Orcus, and the Raven Queen vs Count Strahd.

IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DISLIKE/HATE/DON'T PLAY 4th Edition. We MUST seize every opportunity to give an overwhelming show of support for the Realms. The votes are tallied up and if we give them a good enough of a showing it will prove to Wizards of the Coast that there is a fierce fanbase behind the Realms--and that contrary to conventional thinking the characters DO drive interest in the setting (beyond simply the Elminster/Drizzt/Erevis novel triumvirate).

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now who were they again???

I now wh strahd is, but who is splugg.... rajaat.

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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now who were they again???

I now wh strahd is, but who is splugg.... rajaat.



Dunno about Splugg; I'm guessing he's from Eber-whatsit. Rajaat is from Dark Sun.

I like Jarlaxle, mainly because he's got style. But I also like Kitiara... that one's a tough one!

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Dunno about Splugg; I'm guessing he's from Eber-whatsit.
No. He's actually an NPC from the Keep on the Shadowfell module.

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Wooly's right about the tough choices, though.

I'm thinking Halaster for the first. However, I kinda like Rajaat too.

The Simbul.

Never really cared for Artemis and Splugg doesn't appeal to me all that much.

I'd go with Kitiara for the fourth match-up.

As for the other core matches... Hmmm. The Lady of Pain, Asmodeus, Vecna, and, I'm not sure with the last one. I love Strahd, but I've slowly been following the 4e details about the Raven Queen, with interest, through the DDI too.

Not sure who I'd vote for, really.

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what if strahd enslaves the raven queen.....

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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HALASTER=EPIC WIN!!!!

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I'm surprised how so few FR characters are there. Under Manshoon they wrote ''the founder of Waterdeep's Black Network'' !??!?!

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quote:
Originally posted by Kno

Under Manshoon they wrote ''the founder of Waterdeep's Black Network'' !??!?!
Maybe it's a typo. Perhaps they meant to say Westgate... to reflect the shift of the Black Network's main power base in 4e FR.

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Probably a mistake.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Wooly's right about the tough choices, though.

I'm thinking Halaster for the first. However, I kinda like Rajaat too.

The Simbul.

Never really cared for Artemis and Splugg doesn't appeal to me all that much.

I'd go with Kitiara for the fourth match-up.

As for the other core matches... Hmmm. The Lady of Pain, Asmodeus, Vecna, and, I'm not sure with the last one. I love Strahd, but I've slowly been following the 4e details about the Raven Queen, with interest, through the DDI too.

Not sure who I'd vote for, really.




Definitely the Lady of Pain. Anyone who tells gods where to stick it has got some power on her side!

As much as I like Kitiara, though, I think Jarlaxle would win in a straight up fight (I almost said 'take her' but then I realized that word choice could mean something else, and that with Kit... ). Kitiara is a skilled warrior and one tough chica, but she's also very straight-forward and direct, and not too fond of magic. Jarlaxle likes his magic and lives and breathes deception, so I think he'd outmaneuver her and use his magical items in ways she simply couldn't counter. This is assuming a straight-up fight, though -- Lord Soth or Skie would certainly tip the balance the other way.

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quote:
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Definitely the Lady of Pain. Anyone who tells gods where to stick it has got some power on her side!
It's not only that, at least for me. It's the eternal mystery that surrounds her, and her connection to the City of Doors.

I've written and thought-up so many different myths and legends to "explain" that... and now players in my planar campaigns simply have the convenience to pick and choose which myth and/or legend they like the most.
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Kitiara is a skilled warrior and one tough chica, but she's also very straight-forward and direct, and not too fond of magic. Jarlaxle likes his magic and lives and breathes deception, so I think he'd outmaneuver her and use his magical items in ways she simply couldn't counter. This is assuming a straight-up fight, though -- Lord Soth or Skie would certainly tip the balance the other way.

I'm not so sure about Kitiara having problems with deceptive foes. She managed to outmanoeuvre her guileful brother Raistlin more than once, and she always handled Dalamar's craftiness rather admirably also. And heck, she even managed to twist the Dragon Emperor around her little finger for a time as well -- and Ariakas was well regarded as an almost legendary, yet crafty, tactician.

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quote:
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I'm not so sure about Kitiara having problems with deceptive foes. She managed to outmanoeuvre her guileful brother Raistlin more than once, and she always handled Dalamar's craftiness rather admirably also. And heck, she even managed to twist the Dragon Emperor around her little finger for a time as well -- and Ariakas was well regarded as an almost legendary, yet crafty, tactician.



True, but none of those were a simple, straight-up fight. I'm assuming simple combat, with no time to plan out or prepare elaborate defenses or tactics.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I'm not so sure about Kitiara having problems with deceptive foes. She managed to outmanoeuvre her guileful brother Raistlin more than once, and she always handled Dalamar's craftiness rather admirably also. And heck, she even managed to twist the Dragon Emperor around her little finger for a time as well -- and Ariakas was well regarded as an almost legendary, yet crafty, tactician.



True, but none of those were a simple, straight-up fight. I'm assuming simple combat, with no time to plan out or prepare elaborate defenses or tactics.
Still can't agree. Both The Soulforge and Brothers in Arms prove Kitiara's more than capable of thinking on her feet -- especially in what you'd term as simple combat.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I'm not so sure about Kitiara having problems with deceptive foes. She managed to outmanoeuvre her guileful brother Raistlin more than once, and she always handled Dalamar's craftiness rather admirably also. And heck, she even managed to twist the Dragon Emperor around her little finger for a time as well -- and Ariakas was well regarded as an almost legendary, yet crafty, tactician.



True, but none of those were a simple, straight-up fight. I'm assuming simple combat, with no time to plan out or prepare elaborate defenses or tactics.
Still can't agree. Both The Soulforge and Brothers in Arms prove Kitiara's more than capable of thinking on her feet -- especially in what you'd term as simple combat.



I'll grant that, but the thing is, so is Jarlaxle. He grew up and managed to thrive in an environment where intrigue is as ingrained as breathing. Kit would likely be the better warrior, but he'd have an edge both from having lived on intrigue and from having a small magical arsenal on his person at all times.

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On the other hand, have you read Dragons of the Highlord Skies recently? This is the woman who defeated the magical guardian of Feal-Thas (amazing character, BTW), managed to escape Neraka practically on her own, once Iolanthe opened her cell door, and most of all, survived an entire night in Dargaard Keep, the castle of Lord Soth, surrounded by attacking undead.

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I'm a bit amused they choose mostly heroic or morally ambiguous characters from the Realms to oppose mostly evil, villainous characters from the other settings and core. The Realms characters are also mostly humanoid and 'mortal' while the other settings feature mostly undead, monsters, demons or deities.
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I'll grant that, but the thing is, so is Jarlaxle. He grew up and managed to thrive in an environment where intrigue is as ingrained as breathing. Kit would likely be the better warrior, but he'd have an edge both from having lived on intrigue and from having a small magical arsenal on his person at all times.
Hmmm. Well, as Menelvagor notes above, she managed to hold her own against the magical guardian of Feal-Thas, which had a pretty significant magical arsenal at it's disposal. So I don't think Jarlaxle's small bag of tricks would be that much of an edge, in the end.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Wizard

I'm a bit amused they choose mostly heroic or morally ambiguous characters from the Realms to oppose mostly evil, villainous characters from the other settings and core. The Realms characters are also mostly humanoid and 'mortal' while the other settings feature mostly undead, monsters, demons or deities.



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That's exactly my point, a good number of the FR characters are NPC/PC type characters of heroic tendencies compared to mostly monsters and antagonists for the other settings and core. I would have expected characters more like Szass Tam, Larloch, Fzoul, Lord Shadow, Bane, Shar etc. over the Simbul, Jarlaxle and Artemis. The former are more in line with the other choices in the competition, liches, evil casters, evil demigods, essentially the most prominent villains of a setting or adventure.

I'm also amused that all the FR choices that aren't heroic or neutral NPC types, the ones who actually are villains you would find masterminding an adventure are all from the older Realms setting. Manshoon, Halaster, the Xanathar, Hephaestus the dracolich Ghost King, Icingdeath, and even the King of Shadows from NWN2 all made their appearance in the pre-4E Realms. For the most part, the story of these characters ended before or during the Spellplague. Most are dead or not nearly as influential as they once were in the current 4E setting.

This is why I think a currently active and prominent villain of the 4e Realms should have made it on the list (aside from the core related ones like Lolth, Asmodeus, Tiamat, Orcus). I mean, I hate to beat a dead horse again, but for a setting supposedly stifled by league of goody chosen so that the bad guys couldn't catch a break, even this competition seems to acknowledge the older FR villains as iconic for the setting.
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I will underline who I pick as the winners:

* HALASTER vs Rajaat

* THE SIMBUL vs Iggwilv

* ARTEMIS vs Splugg the Goblin

* JARAXLE vs. Kitiara

Lolth vs the Lady of Pain

Asmodeus vs Tiamat

Vecna vs Orcus

Raven Queen vs Count Strahd.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

I will underline who I pick as the winners:

* HALASTER vs Rajaat

* THE SIMBUL vs Iggwilv

* ARTEMIS vs Splugg the Goblin

* JARAXLE vs. Kitiara

Lolth vs the Lady of Pain

Asmodeus vs Tiamat

Vecna vs Orcus

Raven Queen vs Count Strahd.



Eerie, you predicated the same winners as I.

I’m scared.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bakra

quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

I will underline who I pick as the winners:

* HALASTER vs Rajaat

* THE SIMBUL vs Iggwilv

* ARTEMIS vs Splugg the Goblin

* JARAXLE vs. Kitiara

Lolth vs the Lady of Pain

Asmodeus vs Tiamat

Vecna vs Orcus

Raven Queen vs Count Strahd.



Eerie, you predicated the same winners as I.

I’m scared.




I think those were my choices, as well. Great minds think alike -- and then there's us!

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The reason I ultimately had such difficulty choosing between the Raven Queen and Strahd, is because the Queen has a slight RAVENLOFT-vibe built into all the information we've received about her so far.

In fact, I think she could very easily make the transition to the Demiplane of Dread... provided the Dark Powers had a reason for bringing her there.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Bakra

quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

I will underline who I pick as the winners:

* HALASTER vs Rajaat

* THE SIMBUL vs Iggwilv

* ARTEMIS vs Splugg the Goblin

* JARAXLE vs. Kitiara

Lolth vs the Lady of Pain

Asmodeus vs Tiamat

Vecna vs Orcus

Raven Queen vs Count Strahd.



Eerie, you predicated the same winners as I.

I’m scared.




I think those were my choices, as well. Great minds think alike -- and then there's us!



Heh... and I make 4-for-4. Creepy... just me, not the similarity of our votes. Seriously... Wooly's right... great minds think alike -- and so do sheep.

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We should have a meeting of the minds then. It will be a short meeting.

oh and reason for voting Tiamat....Asmodeus wouldn't survive that many breath weapons at the same time

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Dont you think that these matches are one sided? I believe Artemis would be enraged at the unworthy challenge.

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quote:
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Dont you think that these matches are one sided? I believe Artemis would be enraged at the unworthy challenge.



He'll be too busy battling his new conscious to use his vast array of combat prowess to succeed I fear.

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Hey Guys

my picks below, my only issue was Halaster cos i dont know much about him. Artemis and Jaraxle definatley. they are funny together and alone you wouldnt want to meet them. For a "human"(part shade now) assasin to acomplish what he has its a feat in itself

HALASTER
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Posted - 28 Apr 2010 :  02:45:28  Show Profile Send Dinnin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Alisttair

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Originally posted by Sill Alias

Dont you think that these matches are one sided? I believe Artemis would be enraged at the unworthy challenge.



He'll be too busy battling his new conscious to use his vast array of combat prowess to succeed I fear.



Fair point, i liked him to start with cos he wasn't all whyny like Drizzt was. Now he seems a little sappy and all Woe with me. still a great fighter thought

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skychrome
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Posted - 05 May 2010 :  23:14:25  Show Profile  Visit skychrome's Homepage Send skychrome a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The competition matches have been updated on the Wizards page. Our realms chars have done pretty well.

"You make an intriguing offer, one that is very tempting. It would seem that I have little alternative than to answer thusly: DISINTEGRATE!" Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick 625
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