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Bane of the Harpers
Seeker
Canada
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 Posted - 18 Feb 2010 : 22:20:38
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Hello,
I would like to know the meaning of the elven word Aelinthaldaar, the name of the capitol city of Illefarn (present-day Waterdeep).
It might not mean something specific but I have to ask.
Also, does this city had a nickname at the time?
Thanks for your help!
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Feb 2010 : 23:54:06
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if it does, it is not listed in the lost empires of faerun splatbook.
you might consider taking this to the ask Ed Greenwood thread.
until then, you could call it the city of musical portals, since the Illefarn's most noted issues are the song portals that were used during its hay day.
and no, its not present day waterdeep, its on the site f present day waterdeep.
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Bane of the Harpers
Seeker
Canada
53 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2010 : 00:09:39
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Right, Aelinthaldaar was destroyed by the elves when they left for Evermeet. Sorry my mistake, english is not my first language...:S
Thanks for the suggestions, maybe I'll use just that! :)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2450 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2010 : 01:07:32
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Mock not Bob, Builder of fine cities!  |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Feb 2010 : 03:00:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think it's nickname was Bob.  
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Feb 2010 : 02:56:11
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According to the Elven Dictionary spreadsheet that I have, (think it was composed by Steven Schend, but I could be wrong) "-aar" is a suffix meaning "woodland" but in practice I think the elves tend to use it in the same sense that the Greeks used the suffix "-opolis" meaning city state.
I searched, and could not find aelinthald, ael, lintha, or hald, so I don't know what aelinthald means.
However, "lin" means "mere" (I assume in the sense of a marsh or wetlands, not in the adjectival sense of scant)where as "lind" is a root meaning "to make music". "Lindale" means music (the noun). If there was some sort of lenition going on that changed the "d" to a "th" the "linth" part could have something to do with music.
"Aell" means "any", while "aelo-" means "to meet".
"ald" is "bush". "aldeon" is an "avenue of trees".
So, maybe it means something like: Meeting-Singing-woodland or Meeting-Marsh-city-state, or Musical-Meeting Place-woodland area. Or Grove for meeting together and making music, or meeting-bush-Forest.
Of course, it may not mean any of that. It could be something from an older dialect, or named after a person--as very many places in the Realms happen to be named after specific people. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 20 Feb 2010 : 03:50:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson
According to the Elven Dictionary spreadsheet that I have, (think it was composed by Steven Schend, but I could be wrong) "-aar" is a suffix meaning "woodland" but in practice I think the elves tend to use it in the same sense that the Greeks used the suffix "-opolis" meaning city state.
I searched, and could not find aelinthald, ael, lintha, or hald, so I don't know what aelinthald means.
However, "lin" means "mere" (I assume in the sense of a marsh or wetlands, not in the adjectival sense of scant)where as "lind" is a root meaning "to make music". "Lindale" means music (the noun). If there was some sort of lenition going on that changed the "d" to a "th" the "linth" part could have something to do with music.
"Aell" means "any", while "aelo-" means "to meet".
"ald" is "bush". "aldeon" is an "avenue of trees".
So, maybe it means something like: Meeting-Singing-woodland or Meeting-Marsh-city-state, or Musical-Meeting Place-woodland area. Or Grove for meeting together and making music, or meeting-bush-Forest.
Of course, it may not mean any of that. It could be something from an older dialect, or named after a person--as very many places in the Realms happen to be named after specific people.
Extrapolating all that out a bit further, it could be something like "where the sea sings to the trees" or "where the sea and the forest sing together".  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 Feb 2010 : 05:55:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson
According to the Elven Dictionary spreadsheet that I have, (think it was composed by Steven Schend, but I could be wrong) ...
If it's the one that you could download from that old elven-fan website [that's now no longer functioning], then yes, it is.
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However, "lin" means "mere" (I assume in the sense of a marsh or wetlands, not in the adjectival sense of scant)where as "lind" is a root meaning "to make music". "Lindale" means music (the noun). If there was some sort of lenition going on that changed the "d" to a "th" the "linth" part could have something to do with music.
I'm going to have to look into this, because I've composed quite an extensive dictionary for FR musical terminology -- as part of my large project to catalogue most relevant musical Realmslore -- and I'm sure I've got some elven-based definitions buried in there somewhere that were notes I'd made from past readings of various sources. |
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Bane of the Harpers
Seeker
Canada
53 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2010 : 06:23:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson
According to the Elven Dictionary spreadsheet that I have, (think it was composed by Steven Schend, but I could be wrong) "-aar" is a suffix meaning "woodland" but in practice I think the elves tend to use it in the same sense that the Greeks used the suffix "-opolis" meaning city state.
I searched, and could not find aelinthald, ael, lintha, or hald, so I don't know what aelinthald means.
However, "lin" means "mere" (I assume in the sense of a marsh or wetlands, not in the adjectival sense of scant)where as "lind" is a root meaning "to make music". "Lindale" means music (the noun). If there was some sort of lenition going on that changed the "d" to a "th" the "linth" part could have something to do with music.
"Aell" means "any", while "aelo-" means "to meet".
"ald" is "bush". "aldeon" is an "avenue of trees".
So, maybe it means something like: Meeting-Singing-woodland or Meeting-Marsh-city-state, or Musical-Meeting Place-woodland area. Or Grove for meeting together and making music, or meeting-bush-Forest.
Of course, it may not mean any of that. It could be something from an older dialect, or named after a person--as very many places in the Realms happen to be named after specific people.
Well thanks! That was exactly what I was looking for!
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Feb 2010 : 06:33:56
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| I like that, Wooly. Sounds very much like what an elven city would call itself. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6688 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2010 : 13:22:45
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Or it could just be me making up elvish sounding names.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Feb 2010 : 15:24:41
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Or it could just be me making up elvish sounding names.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Feb 2010 : 16:22:18
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Or it could just be me making up elvish sounding names.
-- George Krashos
Are you advocating Occam's Razor then?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 03:02:15
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Or it could just be me making up elvish sounding names.
-- George Krashos
Which is honestly what I expected... Still, I like the almost poetic sound of what we came up with.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 03:32:50
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Or it could just be me making up elvish sounding names.
-- George Krashos
Which is honestly what I expected... Still, I like the almost poetic sound of what we came up with.
Well, I'll admit, I didn't actually think it was a "Krashism." To be honest, I was more inclined to believe it was something Steven Schend simply dropped into the lore. It just has that certain Schend-like quality to it.  |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3252 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 03:57:18
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Originally posted by The SageWell, I'll admit, I didn't actually think it was a "Krashism." To be honest, I was more inclined to believe it was something Steven Schend simply dropped into the lore. It just has that certain Schend-like quality to it.
Is that akin to zen-like? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 07:07:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
quote:
Originally posted by The SageWell, I'll admit, I didn't actually think it was a "Krashism." To be honest, I was more inclined to believe it was something Steven Schend simply dropped into the lore. It just has that certain Schend-like quality to it.
Is that akin to zen-like?
I don't know. Does Steven have any ninja-like qualities?
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*The Sage, who understands what Ashe was referring to, but who also couldn't resist bringing up a reference to one of his favourite comic book characters from the late '80's.* |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 15:37:51
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
quote:
Originally posted by The SageWell, I'll admit, I didn't actually think it was a "Krashism." To be honest, I was more inclined to believe it was something Steven Schend simply dropped into the lore. It just has that certain Schend-like quality to it.
Is that akin to zen-like?
I don't know. Does Steven have any ninja-like qualities?
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*The Sage, who understands what Ashe was referring to, but who also couldn't resist bringing up a reference to one of his favourite comic book characters from the late '80's.*
I did not know you where a TMNT fan
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 20:47:43
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COWABUNGA!!!!
couldnt resist in using the small font either, and is also a fan of the tmnt series from way back |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 Feb 2010 : 03:05:18
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Or it could just be me making up elvish sounding names.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 13:39:49
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I forgot to reply to this one, way back when. Yep, I made the name up - lock, stock. It has no "meaning" in terms of the elven lexicon currently available. But, I do like what you guys came up with.
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 14:57:41
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson
According to the Elven Dictionary spreadsheet that I have, (think it was composed by Steven Schend, but I could be wrong) ...
If it's the one that you could download from that old elven-fan website [that's now no longer functioning], then yes, it is.
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Siginification of word "Aelinthaldaar"
