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darkelf15962
Acolyte
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 Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 17:29:30
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What knowledge could a character gain from reading the(or a) Nether Scrolls?
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 18:44:54
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| Personally, I'd put it so that studying a Nether Scroll would give you one level of whatever arcane spellcasting class you wanted. Of course, the study would probably take weeks if not months. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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wintermute27
Learned Scribe
USA
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jcdf
Acolyte
38 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 23:32:45
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It is Nether Scrolls. Any individual that studies a Nether Scroll should become much more powerful. Significantly so!
There should be a tough pre-requisite for using one, for example the character must be of a level 10 or greater and there is the possibility of failure with dire consequences when trying to use the Nether Scroll. This failure could be inversely proportional to the level of the character.
Obviously only an Arcane user should be able to use the scroll. What could the potential benefit of the Nether Scroll be? Perhaps the character could acquire a large number of experience points like a million.
Another could be the Arcane user character automatically acquires all the spells of a given spell school (like Necromancy) in his/her spell book. Yeah this one is good, since the Nether Scrolls were how the Netherese originally learnt magic.
I am just rattling these off the top of my head as suggestions they are not facts. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 23:44:57
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| Didn't the Nether Scrolls get detailed in Magic of Faerun? |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 00:20:30
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Didn't the Nether Scrolls get detailed in Magic of Faerun?
Only a few tidbits as I recall. The 'Nether Scrolls' receive proper treatment in Lost Empires of Faerūn.
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 01:44:07
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Heh... I wasn't far off. According to Lost Empires of Faerūn, studying the scrolls takes one month and gives you one arcane spellcasting level (raising your XP to midway between the next levels).
The scrolls were originally wrote to teach the younger races the foundation of magic, but were written so anyone reading them would gain knowledge. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 03:40:34
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Well I was on the right track. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 11:38:07
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| I'm wondering if an update could/will become available for 4E....someone on the list should make one. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
565 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 14:06:19
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| for 4e, the 'gain a level' bit could be done easily enough by gaining a free multiclassing feat in an arcane class of your choice, or one prescribed in the scroll. Reading more scrolls and studying them longer possibly granting further multiclass feats from further up the feat tree? |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 15:57:28
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Originally posted by Cleric Generic
for 4e, the 'gain a level' bit could be done easily enough by gaining a free multiclassing feat in an arcane class of your choice, or one prescribed in the scroll. Reading more scrolls and studying them longer possibly granting further multiclass feats from further up the feat tree?
That sounds like a good idea. A new paragon path intermingled with that could work well also. |
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
565 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 13:36:44
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I think if you multiclass into an arcane source user, you thereby qualify for any PPs that class could use. e.g.; taking a Wizard multiclass feat makes you sufficiently wizardly to take wizard specific PPs. Also, you could take the Spellscarred Savant and swap out spellscarred powers for arcane powers of the arcane class you initially multiclassed into upon reading the Nether Scrolls. Unless I misunderstand, the Spellscarred Savant PP basically gives you some extra spellscar (or in this case, arcane) powers of lower level, in addition to the ones you get anyway.
EDIT: Now I want to play a character with a spellscar... |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 14:19:14
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In 4e, I would design some separate powers that the player gains access to- ones that are of significant power. I would do this as apposed to gaining a level. This would give them a significant boost in power, as per the coolness of the Nether Scrolls, yes keep the foundation of the game-system architecture in line. Maybe I'll come up with some and hoist them up on my site for you all to critique :)
Edit: The more I think of it, it would be a multiclass discipline, not unlike the spiked-chain path or others. Meaning, it is not a true multiclass, yet you can swap out powers. All of this would no doubt have to happen in the epic tier and have some stiff prereqs. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 21:46:37
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Considering, that the Netherscrolls are the most powerful artifact an arcane spellcaster could get his or her hands on, I would say that letting anyone study them should be done with great care. In fearun today 3.ed. I know only of 3 individuals which I know for sure have read them and thats Larloch, Ioulaum and the Srinshee. I would guess that there are a few more, but its not like its easy getting acces to the 19 scrolls that Larloch has or getting into the Windsong Tower.
That said getting close to the scrolls are only something that can be done by either someone who has great, great, great knowledge in the ways of the elves (like being one) and convinced them that this is the only way to save Toril. Or someone who is in league with The Shadowking and he let you. Or you have taken them by force from him. Which will never happen. So in general: Only by acceptance from the keeper of the Golden Beach Tree in The Grove of Hidden Knowledge and acceptance from the Srinshee can anyone get hold of them.
This ofc if one is good aligned!
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 22:09:43
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Actually, the main reason the ones in Windsong Tower were so hard to get to was the demons and such in Myth Drannor. Anauroch, Empire of Shade starts off with the PCs getting into the tower and finding out that the Shades have stolen the copy of the scrolls from there and intend to corrupt them for use with the Shadow Weave. At the end of the adventure, the scrolls "blow away in the wind" to the farthest reaches of Faerūn. So it's not so much that they are over protected, but that they are hard to find.
Remember, the key thing about the Scrolls is that they were intended as a Primer for the non-magical races. They don't "hold the secrets of the universe" but are merely meant to enlighten the student's grasp of magic. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31792 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2010 : 00:36:06
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I would guess that there are a few more, but its not like its easy getting acces to the 19 scrolls that Larloch has or getting into the Windsong Tower.
Of course, if you know exactly how things were set up in days of yore, you could have the possible chance of accessing those hidden rooms and the treasures within them.
As it was, Steven Schend was being purposefully vague [as well as rushed on that deadline in time and cramped for space in words] in the older material on Windsong Tower. And I'd imagine that carried over into the 3e stuff as well. |
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