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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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 Posted - 20 Mar 2010 : 19:42:27
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Hi again, all. Malcolm, according to my notes and Ed's writings, Aumry was a stay-at-home lord, who traveled undercover to Mistledale to conflab twice and Daggerdale once, and (through the woods, stealthily) visited Voonlar to call on Perendra about a dozen times, but didn't travel openly at all (after he became lord).
I await correction from Ed, of course (oooh, sounds kinky  ), to whom I've sent your post.
love,
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HelldoG
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Mar 2010 : 22:30:53
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Greetings, Lady Hooded One. I have some little questions for Ed:
1. Are there any beauty contests in the Realms? How do they look like? Who sponsors them? What are the profits for victory (Besides the obvious one.)?
2. Is there something like Heavy Metal (Or Metal generally.) in the Realms? How is it/could it be called?
What about other genres? |
Away with powergaming propaganda! | I <3 Powergaming!
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 Mar 2010 : 16:06:09
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Hey Ed. Thanks again for your reply on murderous nobles, it's going to come in really handy. I've got a more general question this time, regarding gambling dens. Now in traditional fantasy literature "gambling dens" brings to mind dark, dangerous holes in back alleys, where illegal gambling takes place. But as Las Vegas proves, you don't have to cheat your customers to make a lot of money. And there have been hints of "legal" gambling in some Realms fiction (ie: Tymora's Luck).
Are Realms gaming halls like its brothels, hidden in plain sight? If so, what are their relationships with the law (ie: in places like Waterdeep or Silverymoon that don't have thieves guilds) and thieves guilds (in places like Athkatla or Westgate). This is assuming that the hall is completely legal, not cheating its customers. Also, what tends to be the relationship between gaming halls and temples of Tymora? Do Tymoran temples run "casinos" as a way of gathering funds?
Finally, can you share any other games of chance with us that might be found in a Realms gaming hall, along with how people bet on such games? Many thanks, as ever. |
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 21 Mar 2010 : 16:42:30
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I'm sure you know about these already, Hoondatha, but just dropping in the reminder: Ed put some gambling games in a Volo's, and they've been discussed in earlier years of this thread, and the old Allen Varney-penned, Fabian-illustrated Waterdeep gamebook (KNIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD, or am I misremembering the title?) has a gambling hall in it, complete with full-page illustration.
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 21 Mar 2010 : 17:39:35
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Originally posted by Quale
Hi, are there any intelligent races in the Realms that are near extinction, and possibly left behind weird structures, artifacts or technology. Or stranded alien groups/individuals?
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Quale, the answer to your question is: Yes. More than one. I can think of four such races that are currently covered by active NDAs (meaning we MIGHT all "learn more" in the future). I doubt there's anything useful Ed will be free to say about this topic, however, beyond pointing out some sites/ruins.
However, we'll see; off your query goes to THE Man. 
love,
THO
I can think of two races off the top of my head that are mentioned in Serpent Kingdoms (still one of my top five 3E FR publications): the Sarrukh, the reptilian Creator Race, and their Abyssal-origin foes, the Khaasta.
On which related note: Is there anything more Ed can reveal about the Creator Races (the population(s) of non-lich sarrukh both on and off Toril, the fate of the Aearee, etc.)? We know a bit more about the batrachi thanks to the sidebar in GHotR, but anything more about them that isn't Never Deemed Available would be nice too.
Sigh... I never tire of coming up with new meanings for NDA... it's just so easy and entertaining... but I'm very easily entertained. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2010 : 17:48:56
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Oh... on the subject of "top five 3E FR publications"... I've heard that Lost Empires of Faerun almost included something regarding those infernal red pyramids under Ascore... two questions come to mind from this:
1) Is there any chance of "cutting room floor" material making it into a Web article (that isn't DDI) this long after publication of the original title?
2) Am I any closer to the truth with my use of the adjective "infernal"? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2010 : 20:25:58
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Hi again, all!
I bring Realmslore from the pen of the Master himself!
Back on page 5 of this thread, Penknight asked: “I know that women in the real world like to use flavored lip gloss and all of that, and I was curious if in the Realms women had anything like that. I have a female elf/fey'ri NPC that uses berries to flavor her lips, and I was wondering if any mages or anyone specialized in making things like that for women, and if so, what is it called, please? Thanks! Also, if it does exist, would clerics of Hanali likely be the ones that made if for the elven women? And are there certain flavors that are preferred by elfmaids?”
Ed now replies:
Penknight, you’ve hit upon a topic that has often featured in my home Realms campaign, but which was omitted from the published Realms from the outset (because of TSR’s desire at the time NOT to upset what some called “Gamers’ Mothers from Heck,” i.e. the religious-right complaints about D&D being Satanism or witchcraft; it was thought that anything that had to do with sex in the rules, including kissing, would just add fuel to the bad-publicity fires). As flavoured lip gloss would only arise as a game detail if kissing was going on, the subject was simply silenced.
In the “home” Realms, northern travellers of all races used bacon fat, plant saps, and anything else available (the jelly-like innards of the white cragberry, for instance; a juniper-like berry that grows on tiny evergreen tuft plants in mountain crevices) as lip balms in severe cold weather, to keep skin from freezing and cracking. Prostitutes (and sometimes, priestesses of Loviatar, Chauntea, and other faiths, or “just plain folks” who could afford it and wanted to do so, on wedding nights or festival nights) used various substances to dye the lips, flavour the lips, scent the lips, or impart sensations (i.e. the “glosses” - - which are called “mrathaera” by elves in the Realms, by the way, and “mrathaera” or the simpler corruption “thaira” by humans - - imparted drug effects to kissed creatures).
Among humans, mrathaera are well-known in Rashemen and in the Tashalar and Var the Golden, but few other humans know how to make more than one simple concoction. Any lasting gloss (that is, anything intended to do more than temporarily dye the lips and momentarily freshen breath or impart a scent or taste lasting more than, say, half an hour) consists of active ingredients and a waxier “base” substance.
Active ingredients consist of the juices of berries, essences (boiled down mixtures) of various herbs, and plant saps; the waxier bases are usually derived from certain evergreens, some berries, or even fats derived from crushing certain insects (such as the “layedur,” a species of large blue-green dragonfly abundant in Turmish, the Vilhon, and the Tashalar; carefully-dried layedurs are also sometimes worn as jewelry, pinned to hats or garments).
Most lip glosses can “take up” the tastes and scents of certain powdered herbs and spices (among prostitutes, a favourite is cinammon; mint is very popular among “just plain lasses” desiring to please lovers; lavender is very popular among elves); a mrathaera intended to make breath sweeter and lips tastier but not have a strong scent or taste of its own would utilize parsley or a similar herb.
Among known mrathaera drug sensations are the following: deadening the lips of the mrathaera wearer (against heat or bitterness, for instance), making a kissed person very sleepy (drowsy, slowed, or unconscious), or very excited (adrenaline rush) or very alert (all senses hyper alert; this can be useful going into battle, or when conducting stealthy forays in the dark), or bringing on hallucinations or pronounced dizziness, or imparting actual physical harm (poisons; hallucination, dizziness, and physical-harm effects almost always also affect the mrathaera wearer unless they have previously built up a tolerance to the particular substance).
Among elves, family elders are usually taught mrathaera-lore, and pass it on to younger family members (usually females and usually loners or plainer, more thoughtful individuals) slowly and secretively. Gnomes, halflings, pixies, and other woodland folk usually know much of this lore as part of wider passed-down family knowledge of herbs, spices, cooking, and physics (medicine). Among humans and half-elves, herbalists/apothecaries and various clergies (druidic in particular) specialize in such lore, and there are even a few assassins and courtesans (usually beautiful females) who use the more harmful mrathaera effects in their work. Knowledge tends to spread in times of war, when armies travel outside their “home” realms, and the camp-followers (prostitutes and healers) share information with their fellows and with those they press into training as needed.
Like all of my herb-lore (which was a mix of real and fantasy; that is, using invented plants and beastie essences such as red dragon bile), this sort of information was simply left out of the published rules. This was done for the same reason that Gary Gygax nixed my devil’s talismanic symbols from the DRAGON #91 “Hell Revisited” piece: the desire to avoid real-world experimentations and the troubles that could arise from them overrode all else. No one wanted the public relations headache of someone chalking one of my symbols on a church door somewhere, or the lawsuits from the grieving kin of someone who tried one of my fantasy herb concoctions and paid a fatal price. I don’t disagree with those decisions, by the way; sometimes, real-world considerations MUST trump the creative urge.
So saith Ed. Who is being extremely polite here, and neglecting to mention that it’s not just the lips up on the face that are sometimes adorned, but also lips rather lower down, too . . .
(strikes innocent batting-lashes pose that fools no one)
love to all,
THO
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
804 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2010 : 20:31:24
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Hey! I remember sitting watching (couldn't afford a for-charity seat at the table as a player) a long-ago GenCon seminar where Azoun IV of Cormyr came raging out of his bedchamber to confront the intruding PCs, but Filfaeril turned him around, kissed him, and he sagged to sleep in her arms.
Was she using THIS lip-gloss/mrathaera stuff, then?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Mar 2010 : 20:33:08
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I strongly expect so. I'll send your query to Ed, for him to confirm.
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gomez
Learned Scribe
Netherlands
254 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 08:47:21
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
In Shadowdale as of the 1360s, there are still thought to be place-spirits associated with the Old Skull and with Harpers' Hill, and both road-bridges
Is there any information on the origin (and nature) of these spirits? Do they have names (other than The Old Skull spirit)?
Especially the Old Skull spirit is interesting. How would it react to drow, given that it likely has existed during the drow's claim on the region? Would it move to stop (say) an invasion? Alert the people of Shadowdale? Does it answer to specific individuals? I could imagine that the current Lord-mayor might have an influence on it and call on it for aid in an emergency.
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 12:18:48
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Apologies for not thanking you earlier for your replies Lady Hooded 
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 15:29:42
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Hi again, all.
Gomez, re. this: "Is there any information on the origin (and nature) of these spirits? Do they have names (other than The Old Skull spirit)? Especially the Old Skull spirit is interesting. How would it react to drow, given that it likely has existed during the drow's claim on the region? Would it move to stop (say) an invasion? Alert the people of Shadowdale? Does it answer to specific individuals? I could imagine that the current Lord-mayor might have an influence on it and call on it for aid in an emergency."
I will send this off to Ed straight away for names, etc.
However, I'd better correct a misconception re. these spirits. When you say "Would it move to stop (say) an invasion?" that assumes three things: sufficient power, sufficient mobility, and how it views the world (to it, what's an "invasion"?).
In the case of the Old Skull spirit, I'd say it has very little power, that it's not mobile at all and has no "reach" (so it can't affect ANYTHING beyond the Old Skull except perhaps for how far rocks it dislodges can roll/tumble), and that it cares very little about what sentient or lesser-intelligence creatures are around it, EXCEPT as they harm or change the Old Skull itself (so it's the reason there's been no mining or quarrying on/in the Old Skull, but on the other hand it does nothing against guards who regularly burn signal-fires atop the Old Skull and keep a huge "beacon" there, ready to light).
I'll send this reply of mine to Ed, too, for his amplication/correction.
love,
THO |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 15:35:36
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Aha! I found one place-spirit name in my notes:
Orraun
. . . but I haven't the faintest WHAT place-spirit (where in the Realms) bears this local name. It'll have to wait for Ed.
love,
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 18:35:51
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Hi again, all.
Ed tells me:
Orraun is the name (not widely known, even locally) of a place-spirit that guards (against evil-aligned creatures and "despoilers that belch fire") a tiny ravine (deep but narrow gorge or gulley) sacred to Mielikki, in the northwestern wild woods of Daggerdale (in rocky, rising untilled ground, but not so far west that these foothills are rising into the cliffs and rock faces of the mountains that border Daggerdale on the west).
The name of the Old Skull place-spirit, these days, is usually just "THE Old Skull," but to the elves and past generations of human dwellers in Shadowdale, it was known as "Duskul" or "Daelithaen."
(The "-aen" suffix is frequent in place-spirit names.)
So saith Ed, bringing us new Realmslore tirelessly!
love to all,
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Baleful Avatar
Learned Scribe
Canada
161 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 22:47:29
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Dear Ed and THO,
Is there such a thing in Suzail as a mask-maker, who could make face masks for humans good enough for a wearer to be mistaken for a particular person (a "someone else" the mask is made to resemble) in bad lighting or out in the streets at night, when a cowl or hat is worn?
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Malcolm
Learned Scribe
242 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 22:49:59
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Dear Ed and THO,
I'm looking for the surname of a long-established local family from Featherdale, circa the 1350s-1370s DR. Help, please?
Thanks! |
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
804 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 23:05:11
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Say, isn't it time for more ELMINSTER MUST DIE! teasers from Ed?
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 23:10:40
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You, sir, are insatiable.
No wonder THO likes you so much.  |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 14:42:40
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Hi again, all. I bring these words from the font of all lore, Ed of the Greenwood himself:
Baleful Avatar: there is indeed. Expect a reply from me in a day or so, once I find the relevant notes!
Malcolm: Featherdale had a LOT of long-established families until the disruptions of the mid- to later 1300s and onward (the refugees fleeing the plague that hit Scardale, the various wars, etc.), but I can name two human families of note, one of them very prolific and thus numerous (intermarried everywhere), and the other wealthy, powerful, and skilled at increasing their influence without making enemies of everyone by acting too superior/misusing their power too often.
The first (numerous) family is the Orthren clan, and the second (influential and wealthy) is the Flarindor family. The Orthrens have no real matriarch or patriarch, lacking a strict family hierarchy or "centre," but the Flarindors have an aging, sophisticated, even jaded patriarch (Elscan), a hard-as-nails matriarch (Elscan's wife Myrlindra), and an up-and-coming patriarch-in-waiting: their jovial, florid, but mean and calculating underneath eldest son, Belmoar.
The badge of the Orthrens is a winged bird, end-on (thus, a simple gray "V" of wings) superimposed on a moon (circle of silver); this symbolizes a family legend of an early Orthren being carried off by a great bird, that came especially to bear him away to an unknown grave, after he died.
The badge of the Flarindors is a blazing banner: the upper part of a staff, on a slight diagonal (from the viewer's lower right to upper left) with a slender flag or standard streaming off to the viewer's right, entirely engulfed in orange flames (no device can be seen on the flag thanks to the fire).
Blueblade: more coming, I promise. Soon.
Hoondatha: I concur. He is, and she does, for that reason. Whee! ;}
So saith Ed. Who, ahem, is correct in his last comment. Climb aboard, all. 
love,
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 15:56:39
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Or, instead, speculate about what I'm not wearing.
A slouch hat, Raquel Welch, the Crown of Stars, a poncho made from a flying carpet, mouse-leather trousers and a fluorescent workman's vest. I can tell by how you write. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 17:50:14
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Sigh. Busted.
I momentarily forgot the keeness of the perceptions of my fellow scribes. You nailed me, Faraer.
Er, in one sense.
love,
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 17:58:21
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Hi again, all. Ed tells me there are TWO mask makers of Suzail who could serve your needs ably, Baleful Avatar, but he's still searching for the notes on them. He has remembered the surname of one of them: Rondorl.
love,
THO |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 20:49:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Or, instead, speculate about what I'm not wearing.
A slouch hat, Raquel Welch, the Crown of Stars, a poncho made from a flying carpet, mouse-leather trousers and a fluorescent workman's vest. I can tell by how you write.
Well, if she is wearing Raquel Welch in any form or fashion (and even if the slouch hat is included) we deserve pictures. Many pictures. |
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
804 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 15:38:30
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Dear Ed and THO,
Are there lots of waterwheels in Cormyr? Or Sembia? (Or are they rare or nearly unknown?) What about the dales? We know they exist because of the mill Ed wrote into Shadowdale all those years ago, but I'm curious as to how much they're used in industrial processes, beyond grinding grain.
Thanks!
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Malcolm
Learned Scribe
242 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 15:43:42
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Dear Ed and Lady THO,
Is there such a thing as a "fine art" market in Cormyr? If so, just among the nobles and wannabe-nobles? Or is art ownership and appreciation population-wide? If so, how does it differ from rich and powerful people to dirt-poor backcountry peasants?
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe
Australia
313 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 22:21:39
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Heya,
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm
Dear Ed and Lady THO,
Is there such a thing as a "fine art" market in Cormyr? If so, just among the nobles and wannabe-nobles? Or is art ownership and appreciation population-wide? If so, how does it differ from rich and powerful people to dirt-poor backcountry peasants?
Thank you.
I was thinking along similar lines the other day, and would like to also ask Ed if there are any art schools anywhere in Faerun, and if so which ones are the most important/influential, and whether or not any of them have any solid connections to the Church of Sune? :) |
Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~
As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 23:00:37
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Yes, Malcolm and Zandilar, there is an art market. According to Ed:
Nobles always want portraits of themselves and of "important moments" in family history. Which they commission from popular-with-nobles artists.
"Everyone Cormyrean" wants paintings of great kings, usually warriors (Dhalmass, Duar, increasingly Azoun IV), and retired Purple Dragons want paintings of Queen Fee or whoever was queen when they served, plus any victory battle they fought in. Commoners buy prints or the daubs of travelling artists (usually good, but very much the same as innumerable copies done by that artist and competitors), but nobles want DIFFERENT, original paintings of the same things (bigger and better).
Merchants and artists (including musicians, actors) often purchase paintings that catch their eye to inspire them (popular examples are paintings of beautiful men or women, clad or unclad). The wealthiest commission artists to paint lovers or models (club dancers, courtesans, even lowcoin lasses) specifically for them...and there's an increasing trend of artists who paint such subjects doing regular "tours" of settlements all over Cormyr and rural Sembia, selling their wares in markets (usually from a wagon).
. . . Only nobles collect sculptures (usually statuettes), and "art" to the Realms in this time period is realistic artwork, NOT abstract.
All of the above is quoted by me from Ed's notes. I've sent your queries off to him for expansion/a direct answer, to expand on these basics.
I don't recall Ed ever mentioning an art school in Cormyr (Sembia, yes), but I DO remember him talking about artists taking apprentices, particularly as their eyesight and manual dexterity started to fail with advancing age.
love,
THO |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 23:10:50
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Oho, found another mention two pages later:
A popular subject in "daring" or "oldcoin noble" households is THE Purple Dragon (the beast, not a king) in flight or routing elves or invading human armies or orc hordes or tearing apart castles.
So saith Ed. Circa 1986 or so.
love,
THO |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 25 Mar 2010 : 00:10:04
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Yes, Malcolm and Zandilar, there is an art market. According to Ed:
Nobles always want portraits of themselves and of "important moments" in family history. Which they commission from popular-with-nobles artists.
"Everyone Cormyrean" wants paintings of great kings, usually warriors (Dhalmass, Duar, increasingly Azoun IV), and retired Purple Dragons want paintings of Queen Fee or whoever was queen when they served, plus any victory battle they fought in. Commoners buy prints or the daubs of travelling artists (usually good, but very much the same as innumerable copies done by that artist and competitors), but nobles want DIFFERENT, original paintings of the same things (bigger and better).
Merchants and artists (including musicians, actors) often purchase paintings that catch their eye to inspire them (popular examples are paintings of beautiful men or women, clad or unclad). The wealthiest commission artists to paint lovers or models (club dancers, courtesans, even lowcoin lasses) specifically for them...and there's an increasing trend of artists who paint such subjects doing regular "tours" of settlements all over Cormyr and rural Sembia, selling their wares in markets (usually from a wagon).
. . . Only nobles collect sculptures (usually statuettes), and "art" to the Realms in this time period is realistic artwork, NOT abstract.
All of the above is quoted by me from Ed's notes. I've sent your queries off to him for expansion/a direct answer, to expand on these basics.
I don't recall Ed ever mentioning an art school in Cormyr (Sembia, yes), but I DO remember him talking about artists taking apprentices, particularly as their eyesight and manual dexterity started to fail with advancing age.
love,
THO
For these paintings of specific royals, what would be considered taboo and/or in poor taste? Obviously, a royal doing something immoral or illegal would be out, but what about a nude of the queen or a painting of Azoun IV wooing (or even doing something harmless, like reading with) one of his countless conquests? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Mar 2010 : 01:07:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Yes, Malcolm and Zandilar, there is an art market. According to Ed:
Nobles always want portraits of themselves and of "important moments" in family history. Which they commission from popular-with-nobles artists.
"Everyone Cormyrean" wants paintings of great kings, usually warriors (Dhalmass, Duar, increasingly Azoun IV), and retired Purple Dragons want paintings of Queen Fee or whoever was queen when they served, plus any victory battle they fought in. Commoners buy prints or the daubs of travelling artists (usually good, but very much the same as innumerable copies done by that artist and competitors), but nobles want DIFFERENT, original paintings of the same things (bigger and better).
Merchants and artists (including musicians, actors) often purchase paintings that catch their eye to inspire them (popular examples are paintings of beautiful men or women, clad or unclad). The wealthiest commission artists to paint lovers or models (club dancers, courtesans, even lowcoin lasses) specifically for them...and there's an increasing trend of artists who paint such subjects doing regular "tours" of settlements all over Cormyr and rural Sembia, selling their wares in markets (usually from a wagon).
. . . Only nobles collect sculptures (usually statuettes), and "art" to the Realms in this time period is realistic artwork, NOT abstract.
All of the above is quoted by me from Ed's notes. I've sent your queries off to him for expansion/a direct answer, to expand on these basics.
I don't recall Ed ever mentioning an art school in Cormyr (Sembia, yes), but I DO remember him talking about artists taking apprentices, particularly as their eyesight and manual dexterity started to fail with advancing age.
love,
THO
For these paintings of specific royals, what would be considered taboo and/or in poor taste? Obviously, a royal doing something immoral or illegal would be out, but what about a nude of the queen or a painting of Azoun IV wooing (or even doing something harmless, like reading with) one of his countless conquests?
And as an addendum to Wooly's above query, Ed, I'd also like to know about how such artistic works, and, by extension, the musician/artist/sculptor involved has created and/or endured any controversies that might have come about as a result of their strange works? Any artists who have met bizarre or gruesome ends as a result of such artistic examples? Perhaps a noble might have taken offence when regarding their likeness in a rather unflattering light. How do they then handle the situation? |
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