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Verghityax
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 08:28:58
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| Thank You very much Ed for the hasty reply about cities' crests :) If I may I would like to ask about few more cities in this matter: Athkatla, Crimmor, Sundabar, Elversult, Westgate, Suzail, Marsember, Immersea, Arabel, Eveningstar, Wheloon, Ankhapur, Mulmaster, Hillsfar and Melvaunt :) Any of these would be great to know :) |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 23:38:13
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| When you mention Valorstars have been awarded in the past for tracking down serial murderers....you touched on a topic I long wondered about. Who would be the serial killer types in the realms who would known realms wide? Or at least throughout a kingdom or large areas ? Who would be Watserdeep's most prolific and when did they commit their murders? And were any of Waterdeep(or any in the realms) trully poweful victims of such a killer? |
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"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 15:54:56
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Great questions, and off they go to Ed.
I'm rummaging around for an e-mail he sent me some while back that has the badge of the city of Crimmor, for Verghityax...please hang on; I hope to post it before end-of-day.
Sage, Ed tells me there's very little musical lore in ELMINSTER MUST DIE! because there just wasn't space in the wordcount; he had to chop and hack brutally near the end of the book just to squeeze things in under the wordcount. However, he wants me to remind you that there are several sequels in the works, and he's mindful of the lack of musical detail...
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 15:57:11
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Jakk, re. that halfing bordello: nice try.
However, you won't pry its location out of me. I prefer stimulation to the upper half of my body, too. 
love,
THO |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 16:01:45
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Found it!!
Verghityax, here's the badge of Crimmor, from Ed:
. . . a white, borderless shield crossed horizontally at its midpoint by a blue band (bar), representing the river. Centered on this band are three golden identical eight-spoked wagon wheels, the central one overlapping the edges of the outer two (representing caravan trade).
So saith Ed. I've sent your additional cities list to him, in hopes it will produce the lore you seek.
love,
THO |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 16:07:44
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
However, he wants me to remind you that there are several sequels in the works, and he's mindful of the lack of musical detail...
love,
THO
Awesome news! My thanks Ed, and to you as well my lovely lady. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 20:03:36
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Jakk, re. that halfing bordello: nice try.
However, you won't pry its location out of me. I prefer stimulation to the upper half of my body, too.
love,
THO
This brings to mind this question:
THO have you ever "modeled"?    |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 23:35:38
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Jakk, re. that halfing bordello: nice try.
However, you won't pry its location out of me. I prefer stimulation to the upper half of my body, too.
love,
THO
Your preferences are quite understandable, milady THO. But that's why the halflings (who are very acrobatic) work in pairs for human and elven clients.
Edit: To keep on topic: another question for Ed (and no, it's not about the Cormyr lineage): How much of the physical geography of the Realms east of the Sunrise Mountains was in place prior to TSR's involvement with the Realms? Did Zeb Cook extend the map, or did he just do the social-geography end of things with Kara-Tur? Also: Same question, for Jeff Grubb and Zakhara.
Thank you both again for all your time and the answers you provide to all of us here at Candlekeep.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 23:51:22
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Hi again, all.
To Jakk: AHEM.
To Red Walker: Yes. Both for artists and for photographers. Long ago. No, I can't say more (due to my need to remain professionally anonymous). I am female, Caucasian, and have the usual number of arms, legs, and feminine protruberances.
Well, at least I did the last time I looked down.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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3567 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 19:19:19
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Hi again, all.
To Jakk: AHEM.
To Red Walker: Yes. Both for artists and for photographers. Long ago. No, I can't say more (due to my need to remain professionally anonymous). I am female, Caucasian, and have the usual number of arms, legs, and feminine protruberances.
Well, at least I did the last time I looked down.
love,
THO
Hmmm.....and you do consider writing an art? and thereby Ed an artist?
And thanks as ever for your under-appreciated ability to take nothing too serious! Not to mention the fearlessness of your answers!
But I think every scribe wants to know how much Hrasted longer you need to remain anonymous
P.S. Finished Falconfar a while back , but still mentally digesting it! So much left undone and all! And very interesting that the new King wants the beautiful and deadly Tay as his "Lady Herald" ...where does Ed draw his inspiration! |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 20:36:33
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(from 2006)quote:
drone (a large, stationary double-reed instrument with a bladder and several mouthpieces, played by multiple musicians and sounding either like the drones of a bagpipe or an organ or synthesizer that's being played like the background supporting tone in the aforementioned "Lord Baker").
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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe
Israel
352 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 17:22:16
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A question for Ed, though I suppose our Lady might have an answer as well, or any other long time dwellers of Candlekeep, as I'm sure it's probably been asked:
When does an NDA get removed? That is, what circumstances might lead to one getting removed? I simply wish to assess the probability of certain NDA's (primarily those regarding Syrumstar Auglamyr - though for that I should probably ask Steven) being removed. |
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How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 18:52:01
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Originally posted by Menelvagor
A question for Ed, though I suppose our Lady might have an answer as well, or any other long time dwellers of Candlekeep, as I'm sure it's probably been asked:
When does an NDA get removed? That is, what circumstances might lead to one getting removed? I simply wish to assess the probability of certain NDA's (primarily those regarding Syrumstar Auglamyr - though for that I should probably ask Steven) being removed.
Heh. I can take a good shot at answering this one, as I've asked it before. Except in rare occasions (Ironfang Keep being a recent example), NDAs don't get removed except with completion of the related project. If a project is cancelled, or if plans change, the NDA (now orphaned) typically stays active. Why this was the case in the first place, I have no idea; why it is now, is simply that there are too many of them to sift through and sort, even for a legal team the size of Wizbro's (who, of course, have other things to do than look over NDAs)... not to mention the fact that material placed under NDA for one project (which is later cancelled) may be co-opted by another project down the road.
Personally, I still think this should automatically incur a "cease and desist" for all NDAs covering pre-Spellplague material, but I'll assume that there are reasons for doing otherwise. 
If there's anything I've missed or got wrong, I trust that Ed and THO will correct me.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 19:24:29
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| NDA only get removed when the company determines there is no reason to maintain it. That is not when a project is completed, it is when a determination is made that no future products will be made. Eilistraee is dead and still under NDA in many respects, a question I asked a long time ago about the Promenade is still under NDA. There are many other examples of course, just those two come to mind. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 23:26:14
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Thanks for the clarification, Kentinal. By way of another question for Ed (along with my apologies, but I know he loves this, regardless of how busy he is; I just know that the pile of questions isn't getting any smaller):
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Hi, fellow scribes. Faraer, I couldn’t have put that better myself!
Ed tackles Skeptic’s recent query: “Hi, I'll try this one, but I'm pretty sure that I'll hit an NDA. (little spoiler from Hunter's blade trilogy) Knowing that the Companions of the Hall (Drizzt & co) will be heading to Gauntlygrim soon and that the 1ed FR set mentions that the Knights of Myth Drannor have visited this forgotten place, maybe we could learn a little more from their experience there?”
Ed replies:
Yes, maybe we could. :}
However, the published lore about Gauntulgrym has already started to drift away from my original version, and I’m certainly not going to hand my good friend Bob Salvatore any difficulties whatsoever by penning lots of lore that might get in the way of any storytelling he may be contemplating. So, sorry, the brick wall you expected to hit is indeed standing there in front of us all. :}
So saith Ed. Unsurprisingly. If you poke around in Ed’s past writings (Wyrms of the North, et al) you will find some lore about Gauntulgrym. We Knights did visit the place, but our memories aren’t particularly fond, so I’ll say no more about it, too. No matter how hard anyone wheedles (though it’s always good fun to see you try).
love,
THO
Is there anything more that can now be revealed about Gauntulgrym? I ask because I was looking at old lore and found this little gem in FR1: Waterdeep and the North:
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Although the way is long and deadly, Gauntlgrym also connects with Great Worm Caverns, which house the ancestor mound of the Great Worm Uthgardt tribe.
If this is so, then why (apart from the "long and deadly" bit) do we not have a more precise location for this fabled city?
Many thanks! |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 01:38:43
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Originally posted by Jakk
Thanks for the clarification, Kentinal. By way of another question for Ed (along with my apologies, but I know he loves this, regardless of how busy he is; I just know that the pile of questions isn't getting any smaller):
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Hi, fellow scribes. Faraer, I couldn’t have put that better myself!
Ed tackles Skeptic’s recent query: “Hi, I'll try this one, but I'm pretty sure that I'll hit an NDA. (little spoiler from Hunter's blade trilogy) Knowing that the Companions of the Hall (Drizzt & co) will be heading to Gauntlygrim soon and that the 1ed FR set mentions that the Knights of Myth Drannor have visited this forgotten place, maybe we could learn a little more from their experience there?”
Ed replies:
Yes, maybe we could. :}
However, the published lore about Gauntulgrym has already started to drift away from my original version, and I’m certainly not going to hand my good friend Bob Salvatore any difficulties whatsoever by penning lots of lore that might get in the way of any storytelling he may be contemplating. So, sorry, the brick wall you expected to hit is indeed standing there in front of us all. :}
So saith Ed. Unsurprisingly. If you poke around in Ed’s past writings (Wyrms of the North, et al) you will find some lore about Gauntulgrym. We Knights did visit the place, but our memories aren’t particularly fond, so I’ll say no more about it, too. No matter how hard anyone wheedles (though it’s always good fun to see you try).
love,
THO
Is there anything more that can now be revealed about Gauntulgrym? I ask because I was looking at old lore and found this little gem in FR1: Waterdeep and the North:
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Although the way is long and deadly, Gauntlgrym also connects with Great Worm Caverns, which house the ancestor mound of the Great Worm Uthgardt tribe.
If this is so, then why (apart from the "long and deadly" bit) do we not have a more precise location for this fabled city?
Many thanks!
My guess is that is being saved for Bob Salvatore's next novel Gauntlgrym |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 05:39:55
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The location of Gauntlgrym isn't a long-lost secret at all. Well, not to the fans at least. It's located in the southern part of the Crags, east of Luskan.
-- George Krashos
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 08:13:45
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| I thought it was south and east of Mirabar ....... |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 09:10:00
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darkelf15962
Acolyte
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 14:02:19
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| I have a question that may sound a bit silly, how would one go about writing a Forgotten Realms novel? I doubt I would(or could[I seriously doubt I could!]), but I'm curious anyway. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 16:01:57
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Hi again, all.
Well, darkelf15962, one would have to get a contract to do so from Wizards of the Coast. And the only way to get one would be to impress the Books folks as suitable by penning a good Realms short story (with their permission/an invite to a short story anthology, which these days usually means a "theme" book matching a trilogy written by another author) or by showing them samples of your other fantasy fiction that lead them to think you'd be a great fit for writing in the Realms.
In short, it isn't easy; book slots are getting fewer and farther between. Persistence can pay off; I recall seeing Jaleigh Johnson at GenCon after GenCon, politely approaching WotC editors, for years...and she finally got her chance.
When the chance comes, beat or meet your deadlines, don't pick fights or be difficult to work with, and deliver a great book.
Which is the same way to succeed with any good publisher.
A little bit of luck doesn't hurt, either, so: good luck!
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 16:05:09
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Dear Ed and THO,
I just found some old notes I took at one of Ed's long-ago GenCon seminars, and one name sprang off the page at me: "The Dragoncursed Crown."
What is the Dragoncursed Crown, and what can you reveal to us about it?
Thanks!
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 16:06:58
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Hah! Nothing, Blueblade, dear.
Sorry, but that's one of the oldest and longest-standing NDAs I know of.
Let me just hint: what crown in the Realms might most likely be cursed by dragons, hmm?
love,
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 16:13:12
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Oh, and Red Walker: glad you liked FALCONFAR! I really enjoyed it, too; what a romp! As for the future for all of those characters, we'll just have to see...
Regarding the location of Gauntulgrym/Gauntlgrym (either is correct, being as it's a human rendering of a name in which the "tul" ot "tl" is a glottal stop but some later speakers are enunciating it as if it isn't), its location is perfectly clear on MY Realms maps. I use photocopies of Ed's originals, after all, and they are the One True maps.
love to all,
THO |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 16:19:39
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Hi again, all!
This just in, from Ed:
Verghityax, as it happens my rummagings in my lore-library (for other purposes that Must Remain Secret For Now) turned up the badge of Athkatla just today:
A circular shield of rich purple, upon which is a scarlet equilateral triangle, single point uppermost, filling the shield so all three points touch its edges. In the center of the shield is a white diamond, long axis horizontal; around the edge of the shield, but just a little inward from the actual edge, is a ring of twelve gold coins, all identical circular featureless discs. The purple represents wealth and refinement, the red textiles and luxury, the diamond supreme wealth, and the coins the wealth of all the Realms, flowing into Athkatla. (Not a subtle blazon, I must say.)
So saith Ed, creator of Athkatla and the Realms around it. More Realmslore coming, I promise!
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 16:27:42
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Hi again! Ed just surprised me with another missive, and this one contained a reply in passing to Joran Nobleheart, re. his query back on page 12 of this thread:
"Blade dancers" in this context means bladesingers, bladesingers in training, elves who follow the tradition of circle magic involving swords laid in a circle (points pointing inwards, to focus energies at the center of the circle, that are danced around by multiple dancers in a collective working), and elves who follow the tradition of recording and "playing back" the history of an elven family, community, or realm through dance and song, using drawn swords they hold as props.
In the setting described in that source, at the time covered by the source, these activities are usually practiced together.
So saith Ed, revealing more lore than I expected this morning!
love to all,
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Malcolm
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 16:33:21
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What a treasure trove this thread and its predecessors (the Questions for Ed ones, I mean) are! It's like going for a walk in the Realms and finding gold coins and diamonds and half-buried swords...
Yessss!
Ahem. I actually have a question.
(I know, big surprise.)
Ed, how much intermarriage is there between the nobles of Cormyr and Amn, and between the nobles of Amn and Waterdeep, and between the nobles of Waterdeep and Cormyr? (And how much relocation of specific noble individuals or families occurs, between and among these three places?)
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 20:03:17
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Hah! Nothing, Blueblade, dear.
Sorry, but that's one of the oldest and longest-standing NDAs I know of.
Let me just hint: what crown in the Realms might most likely be cursed by dragons, hmm?
love,
THO
 Oooh! I think I know this one! I'll take "Cormyr" for a Purple Dragon and a Devil Dragon, THO.
Also: my thanks to THO and GK for their prompt responses to my Gauntlgrym query; I'll have to check my published maps now. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 01:35:09
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
The location of Gauntlgrym isn't a long-lost secret at all. Well, not to the fans at least. It's located in the southern part of the Crags, east of Luskan.
-- George Krashos
Heh... I've just gone through my old poster maps, and I can't find it. I suspect that means that it's in the FR Atlas (my copy of which is several hours' highway travel away, along with most of my other 1E/2E sources and 80% of my hard-copy Dragon magazines).
Ed: Re: my earlier post on this subject: Is there anything more that can be said on Gauntlgrym now, apart from its (apparently public) location? I'm particularly interested in the differences between the published material and your conception. (I know, of course, that any answer depends on Bob being finished his writing about said city and the NDA police not telling us "Move along, nothing to see here." |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 02:36:48
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Jakk, you won't find Gauntulgrym in the old print FR Atlas index or maps, because Karen Wynn Fonstad was asked by TSR to omit it.
You see, as one of his original turnover packages of the Realms, in 1986, Ed was asked to list available "dungeons" of the Realms (from little tomb "mini-dungeons" to entire subterranean cities, abandoned and otherwise) that could possibly be turned into adventures ("modules" in the parlance of the day) by TSR's staff designers. Ed generated a list (I'm not sure how long; I know Ed had over 30 completely keyed and detailed dungeons, from Undermountain to Irongard, and about another 40 partially-detailed or mentioned and located sites), and many of the places on it were kept "secret" for "soon" use. Not all of them got used, and Gauntulgrym is one of those.
Nevertheless, as a player in Ed's original Realms, who has studied Ed's original pencil maps many, many times and owns partial photocopies of them (this is all quite legal; I had them before TSR bought the Realms, and I signed my release form at the time of that purchase), I can attest to the clearly-marked location of Gauntulgrym, which George has stated correctly.
I strongly suspect Ed can't or won't say more, but I've sent your query on to him, just in case. (He is busily writing something Realmsian, as I type this.)
love,
THO |
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