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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
 Posted - 24 Nov 2009 : 18:06:32
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go back to sleep america.everything is under control.heres american gladiators.watch this.shuttup. BILL HICKS. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2009 : 19:14:03
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Nov 2009 : 19:38:40
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Great website, depressing section... 
Unbelievable the quantity of good stuff that has been lost to readers! That Kemp's next trilogy will not be published was probably the worst thing in quite a while. 
And regarding Elaine's Reclamation: I had it preorderes already.
Anyone knows what happened to Ed's novel which is listed there?
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
1814 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2009 : 20:37:44
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Hi, skychrome.
Ed's novel was supposed to be the concluding volume in the Sembia series. As I understand it, he didn't write it simply because he had too many other FR projects that took priority. So Dave Gross ended up writing the conclusion to Sembia. |
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Nov 2009 : 20:45:29
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
Hi, skychrome.
Ed's novel was supposed to be the concluding volume in the Sembia series. As I understand it, he didn't write it simply because he had too many other FR projects that took priority. So Dave Gross ended up writing the conclusion to Sembia.
Richard, thank you very much for the answer!
You know I was always wondering, why there was no novel by Ed in the Sembia series, considering his excellent opening short story in Halls of Stormweather.
So, this answers it all. Thanks again! 
By the way: How does your writing on The Brotherhood of the Griffon go? |
"You make an intriguing offer, one that is very tempting. It would seem that I have little alternative than to answer thusly: DISINTEGRATE!" Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick 625 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 24 Nov 2009 : 23:43:00
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
Hi, skychrome.
Ed's novel was supposed to be the concluding volume in the Sembia series. As I understand it, he didn't write it simply because he had too many other FR projects that took priority. So Dave Gross ended up writing the conclusion to Sembia.
That's it. And Ed's discussed this somewhat, in his replies here at Candlekeep. Simply search the "So Saith Ed" archives.
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
1814 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 06:15:55
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| Hi, skychrome. Books 1 and 2 of The Brotherhood of the Griffon are already done. I will start writing Book 3 around Feb 1st, 2010. (How's that for a specific answer?) |
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KingLouis
Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 09:42:01
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"I guess enough painkillers can make even the worst kind of hurt go away. The thing you need to know is that Mara was innocent, and Jackson was innocent - they didn't know what they were drinking and their last moments together were happy ones. They left the way I first found them - perfect and innocent. They were innocent and they're in heaven now and we'll always be a family. The guilty ones are me and Vic, Vic led but I kept following. I don't think one's worse than the other but we made each other into something worse than our individual selves. I wish I never met him. I see it all now - there's no apologies I can make, no explanations I can give - I was who I was and I can't be that person anymore. I can't let myself..." Shane Vendrell |
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
713 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 11:47:42
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
Hi, skychrome. Books 1 and 2 of The Brotherhood of the Griffon are already done. I will start writing Book 3 around Feb 1st, 2010. (How's that for a specific answer?)
Richard, I am deeply impressed!  ...plus I am really looking forward to that trilogy!
Thanks again! |
"You make an intriguing offer, one that is very tempting. It would seem that I have little alternative than to answer thusly: DISINTEGRATE!" Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick 625 |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 11:48:53
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go back to sleep america.everything is under control.heres american gladiators.watch this.shuttup. BILL HICKS. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 11:56:02
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Originally posted by swifty
who would like to see the cale characters in 4e with a different author or would rather they were put to bed in respect to paul.
Being that the characters belong to WotC, they could easily assign them to someone else. That said, they've only done that once, and it was cancelled before seeing print. Me, I think that characters should only be written about by the creator of a character, and/or the person who popularized that character (as with Elaith or the Blackstaff). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 15:05:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by swifty
who would like to see the cale characters in 4e with a different author or would rather they were put to bed in respect to paul.
Being that the characters belong to WotC, they could easily assign them to someone else. That said, they've only done that once, and it was cancelled before seeing print. Me, I think that characters should only be written about by the creator of a character, and/or the person who popularized that character (as with Elaith or the Blackstaff).
I'll agree with this -- to a degree. Take Khelben for example. He's received particularly great attention in multiple hands -- being Elaine, Steven, and Ed. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 16:57:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by swifty
who would like to see the cale characters in 4e with a different author or would rather they were put to bed in respect to paul.
Being that the characters belong to WotC, they could easily assign them to someone else. That said, they've only done that once, and it was cancelled before seeing print. Me, I think that characters should only be written about by the creator of a character, and/or the person who popularized that character (as with Elaith or the Blackstaff).
I'll agree with this -- to a degree. Take Khelben for example. He's received particularly great attention in multiple hands -- being Elaine, Steven, and Ed.
Salvatore also a bit (with the help of Captain Picard...ummm...I mean Patrick Stewart)  |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
1814 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 18:06:14
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For a novelist (or for this novelist, anyway), the guiding principle is this: If the character was created in a sourcebook or game module, I'll stick him in a novel. If he was created in somebody else's novel or short story, hands off.
There are exceptions to every rule, of course, and whatever you want to do, WotC has to approve it. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 18:43:56
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| Yes, that page is depressing... but I prefer to look at the bright side. It gives me more time to read other books that I want to read (none of which, at this point, are published by WotC; they cancelled all of those). Since this scroll is about novels, that's all I have to say. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 23:01:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by swifty
who would like to see the cale characters in 4e with a different author or would rather they were put to bed in respect to paul.
Being that the characters belong to WotC, they could easily assign them to someone else. That said, they've only done that once, and it was cancelled before seeing print. Me, I think that characters should only be written about by the creator of a character, and/or the person who popularized that character (as with Elaith or the Blackstaff).
I'll agree with this -- to a degree. Take Khelben for example. He's received particularly great attention in multiple hands -- being Elaine, Steven, and Ed.
Well, I do agree -- but even though at least four authors have played with Khelben, Steven is really the one who ran with him. No disrespect to Elaine, but in her books, Khelben was more of a supporting character than a main character. RAS only used Khelben for bit parts, as I recall, mainly showing up, aiming folks in the right direction, and then disappearing (the proper role for a Chosen!). I don't recall Ed doing much with him in fiction, other than a couple of minor appearances.
Steven, on the other hand, is the one who really put Khelben in the spotlight. I don't think anyone else used him as a major character -- and that's an important distinction, for me. A lot of people have used him, but it was Steven that really ran with him. I do like his appearance in Elaine's books in particular, but it was Steven that really put a spotlight on him.
So that's why I consider him to be more of Steven's character than anyone else's. A lot of people have used Elminster, too, but it's pretty undeniable whose character he is. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2009 : 00:05:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by swifty
who would like to see the cale characters in 4e with a different author or would rather they were put to bed in respect to paul.
Being that the characters belong to WotC, they could easily assign them to someone else. That said, they've only done that once, and it was cancelled before seeing print. Me, I think that characters should only be written about by the creator of a character, and/or the person who popularized that character (as with Elaith or the Blackstaff).
I'll agree with this -- to a degree. Take Khelben for example. He's received particularly great attention in multiple hands -- being Elaine, Steven, and Ed.
Well, I do agree -- but even though at least four authors have played with Khelben, Steven is really the one who ran with him. No disrespect to Elaine, but in her books, Khelben was more of a supporting character than a main character. RAS only used Khelben for bit parts, as I recall, mainly showing up, aiming folks in the right direction, and then disappearing (the proper role for a Chosen!). I don't recall Ed doing much with him in fiction, other than a couple of minor appearances.
I suppose I'm just more partial to Elaine's portrayal of the relationship between Danilo and Khelben in her books. It plays on Khelben's character somewhat, by specifying his "gruff" and "arrogant" attitude even among members of his own family.
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Steven, on the other hand, is the one who really put Khelben in the spotlight. I don't think anyone else used him as a major character -- and that's an important distinction, for me. A lot of people have used him, but it was Steven that really ran with him. I do like his appearance in Elaine's books in particular, but it was Steven that really put a spotlight on him.
Oh, I agree. But Elaine's efforts helped to expand upon the character of Blackstaff to a degree far beyond what we were previously used to in the source material.
As for the important distinction, well, that's a point I'll agree with as well. When I first learned that about Blackstaff and that Steven was intending to bring Khelben to a position whereupon he'd be the major focus of a novel, I was immediately struck with the possibilities of what more we could finally learn about him because he'd be receiving the role of a primary protagonist. Good stuff! |
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Amraz one arm
Acolyte
Netherlands
42 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2009 : 12:40:42
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This is Shar's work, just finished reading the Erevis Cale trilogy and was really looking forward to the new cycle.
This is the worst news I had in weeks. And it being lay-off season at my compagny tells you how much I'd been looking forward to them.... |
"You smell human to me." |
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MrsDrasek
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Nov 2009 : 00:54:22
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Originally posted by swifty
who would like to see the cale characters in 4e with a different author or would rather they were put to bed in respect to paul.
I may be a little biased here but I don't believe that anyone could write Paul's characters in such the same way, so I say put them to bed. Thats my opinion, but I don't think they would appeal to me if Mr. Kemp wasn't breathing life into them.
I'll keep my opinions on WOTC to myself. |
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Dart Ambermoon
Learned Scribe
Germany
253 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2009 : 02:46:02
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| Well...since CaleŽs story arc itself had an epic conclusion, IŽd honestly prefer if it was left at that. Anything that doesnŽt come to pass now has no detrimental effect upon the story so far, which was quite masterful. Therefore IŽd rather have the clifhanger at the end and unwilling priests left to their deserved rest. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 08 Dec 2009 : 04:56:47
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I'm with you Xysma. The names used are just ... . That skim read I just did bordered on being painful.
-- George Krashos
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2009 : 13:31:32
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http://www.o-love.net/realms/head_can.html
I feel depressed when I look at that page 
EDIT: Except for the second book.
If you've ever read the online version of Rise of the Blade that was floating around, you'd be happy it was cancelled. Other than that, most of those break my heart.
I downloaded it but havent taken a peek at it yet. |
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