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Razz
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 Posted - 10 Aug 2009 : 03:42:45
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My friend was looking through the Grand History of the Realms and we believe an error was made on page 79.
Under the Paladin-King Dynasty, it states Beldred II died of a plague. The problem is, paladins are immune to disease, even magical ones. So how did Beldred II die of plague?
Unless he was a low-level paladin, with the rest in Aristocrat or something? Just thought I'd point that out.
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sfdragon
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Posted - 10 Aug 2009 : 04:29:48
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I wonder if paladins always had immunity to diseases back in 2nd and 1st editions.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 10 Aug 2009 : 13:10:55
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That's a good point, though it's fairly easy to hand-wave. I'm not sure how old he is, but say that when the plague hit he, being immune and able to occasionally cure disease, spent all of his time working in sick houses caring for his people, and died of a heart attack from stress and overwork. Or he could have died of a stroke, for much the same reasons, as he stayed in his palace trying to organize aid and realizing just how many of the people he had sworn to protect were dying.
Historians would note that he "died of a heart attack related to the plague" or some such, which over years could just be shortened to "died of the plague." |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 10 Aug 2009 : 20:06:32
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Originally posted by capnvan
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Originally posted by sfdragon
I wonder if paladins always had immunity to diseases back in 2nd and 1st editions.
Page 22, PHB (1E): "immunity to all forms of disease" is one of the benefits of paladinhood.
That remained true in 2E. Although, there was the caveat, that certain magical "diseases" are, in fact, "curses" to which the paladin is not immune.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 10 Aug 2009 : 22:05:10
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The two biggest examples of "cursed diseases" are lycanthropy and mummy rot. There may be a few others, but those are the biggies.
Hey, maybe it was a plague of mummies! Like a murder of crows? Considering all the other things that have stampeded over Impiltur, it could happen. |
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Arivia
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 00:35:04
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| To take George's usual tack, it could be any number of things. Maybe there's a long hidden disease that can effect those previously immune. Maybe it's a curse. Maybe it was a series of poisons and hidden violences perpetrated by a courtier making a play for power, so forth and so on. |
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Jakk
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 02:52:51
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I'd vote for a magical curse-like disease, possibly instigated by Soneillon (if she was active in Impiltur back then)... the cool villains who never saw justice except in retrospect are probably the NPCs I miss the most from the old Realms. Halaster was not a villain, he was an antihero... which makes his demise all the more tragic. Again, only if you accept 4e canon...  |
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Razz
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 03:07:32
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I guess a disease curse makes sense...kinda. Must've been one hell of a curse, with a king's resources you can afford the best clerics to rid of it.
And paladins are immune to magical diseases, too. |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 03:45:33
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Maybe it was an early version of the disease from the Abraxis Affair (from Cormyr: A Novel). Azoun barely survived the disease that had surrounded itself with dead magic, maybe our paladin king wasn't so lucky.
Actually, in a world with Cure Disease spells, it's probably fairly likely that a magic resistant strain would evolve eventually, like antibiotic resistant diseases here. Talk about a nightmare for priests... |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 06:54:30
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That sounds really fun. Have the PC's search for a cure to some superplague in a campaign arc.
Paizo did it in book #2 of the Curse of the Crimson Throne Adventure Path.
Soneillon is she dead anyways? Just because she isn't mentioned DOESN'T mean she is dead or gone. Just missing.
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Edited by - Brimstone on 11 Aug 2009 07:02:55 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 13:59:34
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The life, deeds and final days of Beldred II are detailed in the tome Martyrs of the Broken God: A Study in Sacrifice, written by Brother Unril of Keltar in the Year of the Immortals (1037 DR). Copies of this rare book are known to be located in Candlekeep, the House of the Broken God in Keltar and The Tower of Tears in Arrabar. Due to the generosity of Revered Father Melder Rythtin the following excerpt is presented for the edification of all and an insight into the sacrifices that true worship of the Triad requires.
The heavens opened and the tears of the Crying God swept down like a torrent, washing away the foul graspings of Talona and cleansing Impiltur of the horrors of her Bloodpox Plague. As the skies cleared, King Beldred stood alone in the Circle of Aralthar, the clergy of Ilmater gazing upon him in silent reverence tinged with admiration and sorrow. He had led the ritual to the One Who Endures and through his sacrifice succored his people from utter ruin. As he sank slowly to his knees, the names of his dead children on his lips, Beldred succumbed to the virulence that he had drawn into himself so that others might live.
Beldred II was the last Paladin-King of the Elethlim Dynasty. In his death and sacrifice he proved himself to be a worthy scion of Sarshel the True. His name will live on in the annals of the realm for ever more.
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 14:43:40
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The life, deeds and final days of Beldred II are detailed in the tome Martyrs of the Broken God: A Study in Sacrifice, written by Brother Unril of Keltar in the Year of the Immortals (1037 DR). Copies of this rare book are known to be located in Candlekeep, the House of the Broken God in Keltar and The Tower of Tears in Arrabar. Due to the generosity of Revered Father Melder Rythtin the following excerpt is presented for the edification of all and an insight into the sacrifices that true worship of the Triad requires.
The heavens opened and the tears of the Crying God swept down like a torrent, washing away the foul graspings of Talona and cleansing Impiltur of the horrors of her Bloodpox Plague. As the skies cleared, King Beldred stood alone in the Circle of Aralthar, the clergy of Ilmater gazing upon him in silent reverence tinged with admiration and sorrow. He had led the ritual to the One Who Endures and through his sacrifice succored his people from utter ruin. As he sank slowly to his knees, the names of his dead children on his lips, Beldred succumbed to the virulence that he had drawn into himself so that others might live.
Beldred II was the last Paladin-King of the Elethlim Dynasty. In his death and sacrifice he proved himself to be a worthy scion of Sarshel the True. His name will live on in the annals of the realm for ever more.
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Wooly Rupert
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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 14:49:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
An awesome bit of lore, friend Krash. 
It is indeed. And it's now stored along with Krash's other great 'Impiltur' replies -- which are all soon to be ready for download here at Candlekeep in a handy and search-able PDF. |
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Razz
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Posted - 14 Aug 2009 : 01:57:27
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Thanks, George. Very insightful and fun to read. My friend was expecting hear some bullcrap reply from this site, but I always tell him to never doubt the sages of Candlekeep (I keep bugging him to check the boards out since he's such a FR fan like me, but haven't seen him do it yet), but that surprisingly satisfied him especially since it came from you. (gave ya full credentials, of course LOL)
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George Krashos
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Posted - 14 Aug 2009 : 08:44:31
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Hey, my pleasure. It's nice to come up with stuff like that. Glad your friend thought that it was "legit".
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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 15 Aug 2009 : 19:13:15
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| *Slow Clap* That was... very, very cool George. Thanks for hanging around and solving some of the knottier CK conundrums |
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GHotR Question --- Beldred II
