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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 07 Oct 2002 : 17:41:24
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Can someone please explain why a scimitar in the Realms used to be wide, flat, curved and broad with a sharp edge on one side and a sharp point sticking out horizontally on the other...and now is just a curved, thin blade with only one striking edge?
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My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2002 : 17:44:49
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Oh, and has anyone found a use in their gaming for those huge, double-sided chains that orcs use?
On top of which, a question on feats...
If a fighter has two attacks naturally, then takes the Two-Weapon fighting feat for a third, and then the IMPROVED TWF Feat, does he then have four attacks per round?
Questions, questions.... |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Ghost
Acolyte
Netherlands
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Posted - 07 Oct 2002 : 18:19:27
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Originally posted by ArionElenim
Can someone please explain why a scimitar in the Realms used to be wide, flat, curved and broad with a sharp edge on one side and a sharp point sticking out horizontally on the other...and now is just a curved, thin blade with only one striking edge?
I'm not familiar with how the scimitar was originally represented in the Realms, but from your statement, I gather it looked something like the 3rd ed falchion.
Essentially, BOTH are scimitars. A scimitar is described as a sword with a curved blade and a single edge on the outside of the curve (contrary to a Kukri). So you could make your scimitar appear like a medium version of the falchion.
The sharp point is not used for fighting (and probably not sharp, either). Also, a scimitar is basically a horsemen's weapon, just like a cavalry sabre.
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Originally posted by ArionElenim
If a fighter has two attacks naturally, then takes the Two-Weapon fighting feat for a third, and then the IMPROVED TWF Feat, does he then have four attacks per round?
Any normal humanoid fighter can have two (natural) attacks. The 2-weapon fighting feat just reduces the penalties (so no extra attack). Improved 2-weapon fighting hase a requirement of a base ttack bonus of +9, so that character would already get 2 attacks with his primary weapon. And with this feat, he can make a second attack with his secondary weapon also. |
The way of a superior man are three-fold;
virtuous, he is free from anxieties;
wise, he is free from perplexities;
bold, he is free from fear. ~ Confucius
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 08 Oct 2002 : 02:22:59
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a scimitar can have any form since it's just a sword and like the classic long sword in the 3rd edition which includes large sword and a lot of other swords existing in the 2nd edition, scimitar is just a generic name for a kind of sword.
Actually, it's just a simplification. I like. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2002 : 02:46:19
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Thanks all...
Anything about the chains, though? |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2002 : 08:09:21
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I have a question,
How come even if you have the strength, you can't wield 2 two-handed swords, it says in the books that they are to unbalanced, and awkward to wield two, I would think the awkwardness would go away if the person was strong enough, plus imagine how bad-ass you would be fighting with 2 two-handed swords!
Another question if I may, In 2nd ED. it says when you reach grand mastery you gain +3 to hit, +3 to dmg, 3 atks per rd., and dmg goes up one full die, so if the nodatchie(probly spelled wrong) does 1d20/1d20, then when you reached grand mastery the dmg would be 1d100/1d100! is that right? now imagine wielding 2 of those at grand mastery level! now that would be sweet!
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Oct 2002 : 08:19:39
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What you are trying sounds like too much munchkinism and very far removed from roleplaying to me.
On your question on wielding 2 two-handed swords. The name says it already. A two-handed sword. Any medium creature needs two hands to wield 1 two-handed sword. No matter what strength the character has. And wielding a sword is not only a question of strength.
I don't know the oriental-type weapon you're referring to of the top of my head, but if it has a die of 1d20 for damage, it is most likely a a two handed weapon. The same argument as above would apply. From a roleplaying point of view... how many grand masters of that weapon would there be in a world? in other words, how would a character ever hope to achieve that level of competency with the weapon. |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2002 : 08:44:17
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.....ok I'll start over.
If youre big enough, and strong enough, then why cant you weild two?
say like a giant or something big and strong, 2 two-handed swords, would be the equivelent of 2 long swords, see my logic now?
and i'm sure theres at least one person thats grand master in the nodatchi, so if they are a grand master the die goes from 1d20 to 1d100 because its the next die up, and I was just saying it would be cool to be a grandmaster with it and wield two, ok?
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Mask
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Oct 2002 : 09:10:22
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| I think the next die would be a d30. It's not that common, but it does excist. I've seen it in a store once. I didn't buy it though. |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Oct 2002 : 09:28:55
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Originally posted by The Great Drizzt
[brIf youre big enough, and strong enough, then why cant you weild two? say like a giant or something big and strong, 2 two-handed swords, would be the equivelent of 2 long swords, see my logic now?
Yes, a creature of sufficient size would be able to wield 2 two-handed swords simultaneously. The rules in the 3e PHB and DMG are pretty clear in describing this
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and i'm sure theres at least one person thats grand master in the nodatchi, so if they are a grand master the die goes from 1d20 to 1d100 because its the next die up, and I was just saying it would be cool to be a grandmaster with it and wield two, ok?
The Great Drizzt
Like Mask said, that might be a d30. To me as a DM this would only be a hypothetical question. Any player of mine would have to come up with a very good role-playing reason to want to be able to inflict that much of damage. |
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Ghost
Acolyte
Netherlands
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Posted - 08 Oct 2002 : 17:19:48
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| Arion, what do you mean with the "huge, double-sided chain"? If you mean the one in the PHB, it's not huge. You can use it to constrict (similar to a bola), to bludgeon (similar to a morningstar), or to slash your opponent. |
The way of a superior man are three-fold;
virtuous, he is free from anxieties;
wise, he is free from perplexities;
bold, he is free from fear. ~ Confucius
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2002 : 04:01:09
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Drizzt, you should only use his scimitars. I guess you are like me, i really don't like the double-sided chain which is too difficult to handle, doesn't inflict a lot of damage and just makes you looking stupid.
Nevertheless, i use to propose for my players a double scimitar, and some other exotic weapons, like the hell bolas, which was a kind of morning star-bola especially created for a semi-minotaur, added to the classic ones.
Any other idea? |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
1338 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2002 : 09:19:22
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There's more to a weapon then damage alone. If that were the case why would anyone use a dagger for instance...
Each weapon is either an evolution (and often improved upon a previous weapon of similar type), or it has been designed for some specific use.
In the case of the chain, it allows a wielder to do more then just damage an opponent. What if one wants to capture opponents instead of killing them? The chain, in that case, can be used to disarm or trip the opponent effectively. |
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Ditalidas
Learned Scribe
Netherlands
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Posted - 09 Oct 2002 : 09:47:49
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I agree on that.
I'm especially fond of daggers. You can hide them in a lot of places and sneak them in where weapons are not allowed. On top of that... if the opponent is too far away to stab... you can throw them... most convenient 
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Edited by - Ditalidas on 09 Oct 2002 10:05:11 |
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Drummer Boy
Senior Scribe
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2002 : 04:39:38
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2002 : 08:08:52
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Uhhhh.....yeah....do you even play AD&D?(not trying to sound like an asshole or anything) and No, I shouldnt use Drizzt's Scimitars, those are his, not mine, and plus, I think scimitars are lame, and they're too hard to find(magical ones) I like two handed swords mostly.
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Oct 2002 : 07:53:53
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Originally posted by drummerboy465
I have a stupid question that I think I'm the only one who doesn't know the answer to, but here it is. If a weapon does 2d4 damage, for example, how do you calulate what the number of hit point damage it does? Does that mean that you roll 2 four-sided dice and add the numbers together?
The only stupid question is the one not asked.
In answer to your question, the number in after the 'd ' represents the type of die, the number in front of the 'd' the number of dice of that type to roll (or the number of times to roll a single die of the type)
To get the end result, add the numbers rolled on each die.
In other words, your last sentence is correct. |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2002 : 07:55:47
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Couldna said it better myself.
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Drummer Boy
Senior Scribe
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2002 : 04:10:54
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Darwin Tenderfoot
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2002 : 04:43:56
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Me personally I think the blowgun is a good weapon use it with all my characters. You can put any kind of poison on them that you want. I use Daggers a lot too. Ditalidas I agree with you full heartedly.This is especially true with thieves. How would you sneak into a place with a big ol' two-handed sword. 
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2002 : 08:02:04
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Well, if you ask me, if your using a two-handed sword, what the hell are you doing "sneaking" around in the first place, only gnomes, halflings and thieves sneak around, so of course your not gonna like a two-handed sword, your halfing guy probably cant even hold it anyways!
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Darwin Tenderfoot
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2002 : 14:22:47
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Originally posted by The Great Drizzt
your halfing guy probably cant even hold it anyways!
The Great Drizzt
Let me clue you in buddy I can to carry it since I have a 17 strength. The two-handed sword is not a very good weapon IMO , it's to slow. "But hey, who am I just a lowly Halfling".
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2002 : 03:17:25
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I'm also fond of daggers. they are the most functional weapons you can find. even if it's just to cut a peace of meat on a strange beast you have just killed.
But when i'm in a real fight, i like to have my rapier with me. Just in case of dagues would'nt be enough...
with some poison?
Who said i'm a coward? When you have 6 in constitution, you avoid fights. That's it. |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2002 : 07:49:18
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Yeah you can carry it, but you can't weild it, its twice the size for you, it's way to awkward for ya, sure its slow, but look at the DMG!
Hows about some special "Drow Poison" to go on those daggers? Just a thought....
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Darwin Tenderfoot
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2002 : 18:19:29
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I never thought about using Drow poison to tell you the truth. But I should look into that. Oh, and about the sword I was just joking so dont take offense to it or anything The Great Drizzt. I have been thinking about weapons what about those Drow Hand crossbows. Those are pretty nifty with anyone. (especially with Drow poison.
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Rory_Lana
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Oct 2002 : 18:24:43
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 First off from what I have read...you all make really good points. But I must second the fact that if a sword is two handed, no matter how strong you are it's still two handed.
Arion, I think the change of the scimitars is nice. It's not just a pirites choice weapon now. I happen to perfer the lastest model of scimitars to the 2ed. I know that doesn't answer your question, I just thought I would acknowlegde it. I also thought you would like to know my opinion.
To address you second question, I've never used one before. The large chain for orcs, seem to be way more bad barbarin if you ask me. I think that it would make a great choice for a villian in a campaign or a very chaotic character, since it looks to be a chaotic weapon. Is it successful...well that's up to the dice. |
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Drummer Boy
Senior Scribe
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2002 : 20:12:58
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| I'd have to say that my favorite weapons are daggers. If an enemy's close by, you can stab with it, or, for long range, you can just throw it from a distance. |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2002 : 07:25:43
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No offense taken.
Daggers are pretty cool, you guys ever read about Jarlaxle in action with his daggers? Drizzt might actually lose that battle!(hope not)
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Oct 2002 : 08:40:13
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Originally posted by Rory_Lana
First off from what I have read...you all make really good points. But I must second the fact that if a sword is two handed, no matter how strong you are it's still two handed.
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Hmmm... a little nit-picking here. Rory, you're right about strength not being the determining factor (in 3e). Creature size vs weapon size is. A two-handed sword (e.g. the greatsword in 3e) is a large weapon. A human is a medium sized creature, therefore the large weapon requires two hands to wield. A large creature (e.g. an Ogre) could wield it in one hand. |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2002 : 05:13:44
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Well I'll just have to be an Ogre sized Drow then won't I?
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Drummer Boy
Senior Scribe
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2002 : 15:15:11
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| Yeah, better go get eatin'.........whatever drow eat. |
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