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Five_X
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2009 : 02:45:38
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Back when DDO was on its way out, but before it was released, back in the summer of 2005, PC Gamer did a big feature on future D&D games, including NWN 2, and the "just beginning early development" Baldur's Gate 3, which, according to the article, was going to be set in Baldur's Gate's distant past.
Considering they aren't ready to talk details at this point, four years later, I'm not really holding my breath (and for the record, setting it in the distant past of Baldur's Gate really didn't do much for me either).
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2009 : 13:35:32
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How about Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 3?? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2009 : 14:39:34
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quote: Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Considering they aren't ready to talk details at this point, four years later, I'm not really holding my breath (and for the record, setting it in the distant past of Baldur's Gate really didn't do much for me either).
I agree--on both points. As of now, as far as I'm concerned, it's all talk.
And for what it's worth, Baldur's Gate 2 and it's expansion, Throne of Bhaal, came out in the early 2000s, not the 90s. It's a bit inaccurate to call the BG series a 90s franchise.
EDIT: Just as a note, the linked article is about 5 months old. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 07 May 2009 14:45:16 |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2009 : 15:40:43
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quote: Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
And for what it's worth, Baldur's Gate 2 and it's expansion, Throne of Bhaal, came out in the early 2000s, not the 90s. It's a bit inaccurate to call the BG series a 90s franchise.
On a side note, BG2 used 2E rules but was built in a way as if to ease us into 3E rules (see Barbarian, Monk and Sorcerer). |
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belgarathmth
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 05 Jun 2009 : 23:05:34
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Also, don't forget Icewind Dale 2.
Infinity Engine, 3rd edition rules, basically. Much more like NWN, but with the Infinity Engine. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 17:04:28
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quote: Originally posted by belgarathmth
Also, don't forget Icewind Dale 2.
Infinity Engine, 3rd edition rules, basically. Much more like NWN, but with the Infinity Engine.
That was a fun game for sure. |
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
713 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 02:07:46
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Definitely! Actually I still play BG and IWD series from time to time. It is just so much more complex and well made in comparison to NWN series... and so much more atmospheric due to the Infinity engine compared to 3D... |
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Misery
Acolyte
27 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 11:13:54
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What made the BG series to me were your NPC party members. The fact that in IWD series along with the expansion of NWN 2 - Storm of Zehir, that you made all your own, was a big downfall for me.
Was a great big fan of the BG series through as well as Hordes of the Underdark for NWN 1 and NWN 2 along with it's other expansion Mask of the Betrayer. Great NPC interaction there. |
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belgarathmth
Acolyte
USA
16 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 20:47:13
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Misery, you'd probably enjoy the IWD2 NPC mod available at G3.
It's got fully developed characters with hundreds of interactions and dialogue, just like BG2 and BG NPC Project.
It's really breathed new life into IWD2 for me. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
713 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 22:11:43
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quote: Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Do you have a link to G3?
...and a description of changes to the game when installing this mod?
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belgarathmth
Acolyte
USA
16 Posts |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jun 2009 : 01:55:35
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quote: Originally posted by Misery
What made the BG series to me were your NPC party members.
Looking back, it does seem like the NPC party members and how they are written go a long, long way towards making a game memorable. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2009 : 13:47:51
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quote: Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote: Originally posted by Misery
What made the BG series to me were your NPC party members.
Looking back, it does seem like the NPC party members and how they are written go a long, long way towards making a game memorable.
Oddly enough, despite being quite deeply into a full trilogy playthrough of Baldur's Gate, I can't wait to start on Icewind Dale and make an entire party. Part of that may be indecision over classes, which lead to a fmt, which lead to carrying Jaheira, Imoen, and Khalid. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2009 : 05:19:23
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Does anyone remember when one of the splash screens in BG2 said that you would be able to port your BG characters to NWN? |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2009 : 05:52:49
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quote: Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
Does anyone remember when one of the splash screens in BG2 said that you would be able to port your BG characters to NWN?
Yep, all the way at the end of Throne of Bhaal. If you want to simulate the same, run a single character through all three parts of NWN, in order. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2009 : 22:52:15
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quote: Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
Does anyone remember when one of the splash screens in BG2 said that you would be able to port your BG characters to NWN?
Yea, I wanted to import my fighter so badly, but the actual "adaption" bummed me out.
On a different note: Atari and Infogrames...no Bioware? That'd suck, cuz the new game will be, maybe, a nod toward BG I und BG II, but if the crew that created the originals ain't a part of it, I'm worried.
Also, they'll probably use 4e as a game system, and if they continue the Bhaalspawn saga after the events of the spellplague...um...good job folks, just the thought makes me wanna vomit |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2009 : 23:53:32
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quote: Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
quote: Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
Does anyone remember when one of the splash screens in BG2 said that you would be able to port your BG characters to NWN?
Yea, I wanted to import my fighter so badly, but the actual "adaption" bummed me out.
On a different note: Atari and Infogrames...no Bioware? That'd suck, cuz the new game will be, maybe, a nod toward BG I und BG II, but if the crew that created the originals ain't a part of it, I'm worried.
Also, they'll probably use 4e as a game system, and if they continue the Bhaalspawn saga after the events of the spellplague...um...good job folks, just the thought makes me wanna vomit
Somewhere in the 1390-1420 period might be interesting, though. Also, keep in mind that chronologically, BG is really far out there - the first game takes place in early 1370. |
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 00:02:17
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With Bioware tied up with the Dragon Age trilogy the Mass Effect trilogy and The Old Republic MMORPG, I'm not holding my breath for this, unless Atari are talking to Obsidian, which might be promising. |
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Misery
Acolyte
27 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2009 : 12:06:46
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quote: Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote: Originally posted by Misery
What made the BG series to me were your NPC party members.
Looking back, it does seem like the NPC party members and how they are written go a long, long way towards making a game memorable.
It really is that way and continues to be so for me. After finding out about the IWD2 mod (thanks for showing me it Belga) I'm excited to give it a try. Simulation roleplay if you will. Might not be AS exciting and enticing as tabletop or atleast with with another human being, but it does what it needs to.
But I've always been a guy more interested on the story and characters/character development then the actual game itself. |
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bladeinAmn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 21:23:53
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quote: Originally posted by Alisttair
quote: Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
And for what it's worth, Baldur's Gate 2 and it's expansion, Throne of Bhaal, came out in the early 2000s, not the 90s. It's a bit inaccurate to call the BG series a 90s franchise.
On a side note, BG2 used 2E rules but was built in a way as if to ease us into 3E rules (see Barbarian, Monk and Sorcerer).
True. Not juss the storyline, but I think the gameplay in BG2 is the epitome of AD&D gaming. With a few flaws of course, due to 2E restrictions which BG2 made light of (ie--Halflings couldn't be paladins, but here comes Mazzy with her own innate powers!)
But am I the only one who feels that 3E and 3.5E rules were "less than stellar"? And that 4E is kind of....hopeless? (Hopeful, I mean....sigh ) |
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slayer
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2009 : 17:08:09
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I'm not holding my breath for this, whoever has the license to the title is taking real careful steps not to sully it (and for good reason). I believe a good tactic to make another successful series is to use the same technique (I.E. a mortal who becomes or challenges powers of the planes through excessive trial and tribulation). In short, another godtale arc would be a good way to go about it, can't really miss if you include all the juicy details, intrigue, and verity that Baldur's Gate had. Plus with all the strange deities and powers (primordials, archdevils, titans, celestials/demons and the many multiple pantheons) it shouldn't be too hard to put another exciting story together that plays well too. But perhaps that isn't the hard part and they're still deciding on a play-perspective in the game on which to base the engine itself (infinity 2.0? :o).
Regardless, I will always watch this closely and if BG3 shows up in any slightly credible news anytime I will likely see or hear about it. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2009 : 18:20:54
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As far as I'm concerned, the fact that we're seeing plans for BG3 *now* (instead of 5 years ago) screams "4E marketing desperation" to me. That's all I have to say that's on-topic; I just "untyped" four lines of entirely non-CRPG-related rant (before posting), and I'm trying to avoid ranting. |
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Sonny
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 26 Nov 2009 : 04:28:52
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quote: Originally posted by Jakk
As far as I'm concerned, the fact that we're seeing plans for BG3 *now* (instead of 5 years ago) screams "4E marketing desperation" to me. That's all I have to say that's on-topic; I just "untyped" four lines of entirely non-CRPG-related rant (before posting), and I'm trying to avoid ranting.
Baldur's gate 3 is something they've been trying to get made for years now. plans were made back in 2004-2005*, but it never materialized. Considering it's Atari's choice on what D&D titles to develop, and they're the ones in need of big name games. I doubt it has anything to do with Fourth Edition marketing.
* Also another Baldur's Gate 3 (The Black Hound) was being developed before that, at Interplay before they lost the rights to use the name. This will make the third attempt to make a BG3. |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2009 : 14:54:54
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i would love to see a BG3. but i would be extremely disappointed if they didnt hold up to the first two. infinity engine would be a must, none of that NWN crap. im not a fan of NWN...at all. IWD didnt really do it for me, it was ok, but i was kinda bored with it. IWD2 was better, but not anywhere close to the BG games. BG1 and BG2 are pretty much the perfect games to me so unless it was build like those, i would likely be disappointed. but if they did do it right, thatd be amazing |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2009 : 18:34:15
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quote: Originally posted by Dracandos the Spellsage
i would love to see a BG3. but i would be extremely disappointed if they didnt hold up to the first two. infinity engine would be a must, none of that NWN crap. im not a fan of NWN...at all. IWD didnt really do it for me, it was ok, but i was kinda bored with it. IWD2 was better, but not anywhere close to the BG games. BG1 and BG2 are pretty much the perfect games to me so unless it was build like those, i would likely be disappointed. but if they did do it right, thatd be amazing
Regarding the IWD games, would that be because of the fact that they weren't as epic in scope as the BG games?? |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2009 : 20:50:19
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no i found them boring because you were in dungeons/caves the entire time. BG has a well rounded amount of wilderness exploration, towns and cities, and dungeons thrown in here and there. it was just more well rounded. if you got sick of exploring the wild, go to a city and do some thieving and some quests. if you got sick of that, go hunting for a dungeon someplace in the wild. it kept more options open for what you wanted to do. thats how it felt for me anyway. IWD was just dungeons and dungeon-type areas for pretty much the entire game so it got old. get what i mean? |
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The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
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bladeinAmn
Learned Scribe
199 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2009 : 08:08:10
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quote: Originally posted by Dracandos the Spellsage
no i found them boring because you were in dungeons/caves the entire time. BG has a well rounded amount of wilderness exploration, towns and cities, and dungeons thrown in here and there. it was just more well rounded. if you got sick of exploring the wild, go to a city and do some thieving and some quests. if you got sick of that, go hunting for a dungeon someplace in the wild. it kept more options open for what you wanted to do. thats how it felt for me anyway. IWD was just dungeons and dungeon-type areas for pretty much the entire game so it got old. get what i mean?
They both used the Infinity Engine, but the BG series spent time making the storyline as awsome as the gameplay, whereas the IWD series focused less on the storyline, and more on hack'n'slash. So two completely different series'.
A few years ago, I was hyped about a BG3. But now upon reflection, how could they make any effective add-on to it? Double that, when you consider that it was already a trilogy (BG1, BG2-SoA and BG2-ToB).
They can't make it any more epic than it was, w/any continuation theme, especially since there are already mods that make you fight ridiculously epic foes like Orcus.
Really, coming from as diehard a BG fan as any other, the best thing would be to juss leave the BG series as is, and make other games w/the same intense storyline and awsome gameplay, while not at all making it a clone of the BG series; much like it appears they've done w/Dragon Age: Origins. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2009 : 11:58:09
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quote: Originally posted by Dracandos the Spellsage
no i found them boring because you were in dungeons/caves the entire time. BG has a well rounded amount of wilderness exploration, towns and cities, and dungeons thrown in here and there. it was just more well rounded. if you got sick of exploring the wild, go to a city and do some thieving and some quests. if you got sick of that, go hunting for a dungeon someplace in the wild. it kept more options open for what you wanted to do. thats how it felt for me anyway. IWD was just dungeons and dungeon-type areas for pretty much the entire game so it got old. get what i mean?
Yuppers....I guess they didn't want your character to freeze to death in IWD |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2009 : 11:58:47
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quote: Originally posted by Dracandos the Spellsage
no i found them boring because you were in dungeons/caves the entire time. BG has a well rounded amount of wilderness exploration, towns and cities, and dungeons thrown in here and there. it was just more well rounded. if you got sick of exploring the wild, go to a city and do some thieving and some quests. if you got sick of that, go hunting for a dungeon someplace in the wild. it kept more options open for what you wanted to do. thats how it felt for me anyway. IWD was just dungeons and dungeon-type areas for pretty much the entire game so it got old. get what i mean?
Yuppers....I guess they didn't want your characters to freeze to death in IWD |
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Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me: http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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