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sfdragon
Great Reader
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 Posted - 24 May 2009 : 00:04:14
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CSI: Menzoberranzan....
I doubt the ruling council would care.
they'd go and say, not a noble, not our problem.
we drow conspire to kill each other off all the time just to rise in power.
after all no witness to the crime, there is nothing.
which means drow a can kill drow b, and as long as drow a had no relative to witness, they are not going to care. |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 May 2009 : 01:03:13
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| sf, I agree in general that they simply don't care so long as there are no witnesses. I think pregnant drow would be a special case, since the future of the race is at stake. It would just be too tempting to wait until your foe was stuck waddling around and then strike. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 May 2009 : 02:34:45
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define witness
Drizzt and Zak watching one house attacking another house.
Drizzt: looks pissed.
Zak.. puls drizzt asaide and talks about subject.
Drizzt: but aren't we witnesses??
Zak: No we are onlookers.
Lolth in Tangled webs or daughter of the drow, stated to cease as the drow male sacrifice as well.
but it still doesnt stop calculated street assassination, and mind you not to many would care.
and as for pregnate drow females, oh they'd kill her allright and sell the child into slavery, or sacrifice to lolth. |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 24 May 2009 : 10:15:16
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Well, I have more pressing matters to attend to today, so I just through in one rather important thing that no-one talking about Lolthite drow should forget (Demihuman Deities)
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Although treachery and cruelty are often rewarded, Lolth does not look kindly on those who let personal grudges and revenge-taking bring defeat or shame to their House, clan, city, or band.
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Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerûn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more. |
Edited by - Zanan on 24 May 2009 10:15:41 |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2009 : 10:34:13
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or when it ceases to be amusing after 10 years of it
looks at house do'urden and whats the other one..... |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 May 2009 : 09:57:29
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I recall there being drow rules put forward which would explain how their society doesn't collapse. Such as a house can only destroy another house if they can destroy them in one total attack? Which would lessen the death rate amongst nobles...and they expend a lot of energy making sure they don't get killed themselves, so they think about wanting to kill each other a lot more than they actually do. I recall a novel talking about twin sisters of Pharaun having a feud which lasted decades before one kills the other, for example.
In Windwalker, which I just read, Liriel specifically says that anyone with access to magic can choose when they have children sooo canonically it is implied drow can and often do use some kind of contraceptives (spells? potions? I don't know = p) The benefit of having a child in drow society would presumably be an increase in your own power? Another member to serve you in your household. From what I recall in novels the mothers were very concerned with the doings of their children and how they spent their time training.
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 27 May 2009 : 10:44:34
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| Of course mothers were / are concerned. For essentially, every child is (in days to come) a potential thread to your own position and life. Hence, it is always good to know what it is / they are up to. ... which is the noble or otherwise powerful drow female's way of thinking. Your average foot soldier or "peasant" or peasant is less likely to constantly watch over his or her shoulder. |
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Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerûn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more. |
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2009 : 17:28:40
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Of course, this latest response continues to beg the question "why would any sane drow get pregnant?"
It seems to me that Lolth is most concerned about establishing a master race of elves. Instead of focusing on developing a powerful society, she focuses on a society made up of powerful individuals.
Now, it's possible that instead, Lolth focuses on building a society made up of powerful houses, but that doesn't seem quite right. The line "Although treachery and cruelty are often rewarded, Lolth does not look kindly on those who let personal grudges and revenge-taking bring defeat or shame to their House, clan, city, or band." doesn't sound a whole lot like Lolth to me. That sounds a lot more like something somebody running a house/clan would say to their underlings. Sort of along the lines of "let's keep this reasonable people, I have power to maintain."
One of the key elements in Lolth's approach is to remove the element of love and affection as a motivator. In relations between the sexes, this is achieved by raising up women to positions of unassailable authority. Other societies have men in this role, but elevating the females has the additional benefit of severing the bond between mothers and their offspring. Moms have more important things to do than raise their kids. Paternal influences seem to be dealt with more directly, by removing any parental rights or responsibilities from the fathers.
This is all well and good for Lolth with respect to nobles. But commoners with fewer aspirations, responsibilities, and enemies would more naturally gravitate to a "standard" nuclear family. I think such an arrangement would severely threaten Lolth's plans. If the majority of your populace is capable of feeling love for family members and really trusting and depending on others, weak individuals could easily survive.
So I expect "the state" in the form of the ruling houses intervenes to break up families before they can form. They can't do a great deal about couples forming, perhaps, but they could make sure any offspring are not raised in such a setting. I would expect that children would be taken from their mothers some point after they are weaned, and raised collectively by the clergy.
The exact implementation of such a system would be great fun to write about. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jun 2009 : 18:49:44
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| btw, which pathfinder book has the drow pc stats?? or any racial stats?? |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Misery
Acolyte
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Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 11:09:50
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Originally posted by sfdragon
btw, which pathfinder book has the drow pc stats?? or any racial stats??
Not really one yet. The books/adventure paths they have put out are still under the 3.5 ruleset so they are still using those. There was interest in development of possibly trying to get rid of the drow's LA but whether it goes through or not we'll likely see when their bestiary (their monster manual) comes out (i think in september) |
... can I still be a bad A and like kittens? |
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Fighting Female Drow
