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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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 Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 17:34:38
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Not 100% FR related, but since I'd use them there first and foremost ...
The thread about the Rulers of Hell brought me back some of the lesser lords and ladies of that “plane“ and after reading the entry on Lilith, the 2nd consort of Baalzebub …
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071212
… I wonder whether the designers and gamers on here may have an idea how to put more 3,5E flesh to the (sometimes quite powerful) consorts of the archdevils. I favour “lesser” fiend-lords in my game, deeming it not necessary to through the big guns in all the time and thus elevate the protagonists to an (IMHO) undue level of importance.
For the time being, I’d “only” look for the clerical domains of the following ladies, who are named but not otherwise defined in FC II*:
Lilis, consort of Dispater
Cozbi, former consort of Geryon, the ruler of the Fifth
Naome, (former?) consort of Belial
Baalphegor, consort of Mephistopheles
Baftis, 1st consort of Baalzebub
I would hand any them the Baator domain (FC II) and a selection of others, but any input would be welcome too.
Is there a rule-rendered reason why cultists of Lilith can only cast spells up to 5th level?
Thanks, Zanan!
*A Dragon article of Ed Greenwood puts more flesh on them during their early days in AD&D.
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 17:59:37
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| I had never thought about these particular ladies before. I forget where they are talked about. Were they mentioned in the fiendish codex? |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 19:56:04
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I had never thought about these particular ladies before. I forget where they are talked about. Were they mentioned in the fiendish codex?
As I said, Ed Greenwood wrote an Dragon article on them (and some others) in an early Dragon. They are mentioned in each Hell's entry in the FC, apart from those who have since been deposed or "got lost" in the books. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 22:33:07
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for Lilis I'd suggest between envy, inquisition, planning, darkness, knowledge, metal
Cosbi, don't know, cold? (cause of Stygia), dream (she's quiet, yet notices things, maybe this way), mentalism? (related to the memory draining effects of Styx)
Naome, purification? (the Pit of Flame in Phlegethos), planning, trickery (she's cunning), fire
Baalphegor, cold, charm, mind (she's artful in thought)
Baftis, pride, sloth
(other than that the usual law, evil, Baator, domination, tyranny, diabolic, and maybe nobility works for all) |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 00:48:13
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Originally posted by Zanan
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
I had never thought about these particular ladies before. I forget where they are talked about. Were they mentioned in the fiendish codex?
As I said, Ed Greenwood wrote an Dragon article on them (and some others) in an early Dragon. They are mentioned in each Hell's entry in the FC, apart from those who have since been deposed or "got lost" in the books.
That would probably be his giant two-part article in Dragons #75 & 76, which extensively covered the 1st Edition Nine Hells. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 10:50:50
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Thanks for the headstart, Quale.
Methinks it was Dragon 76, need to delve into my Dragon Archive CD collection (later).
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Edited by - Zanan on 05 Mar 2009 10:51:50 |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 11:34:21
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| I need to get these Dragon articles hehe. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 14:25:41
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And here I thought this was going to be a thread about my Ex and her friends... 
I don't really have much to add, except that it never ceases to amaze me just how much of D&D Ed had a hand in , and not just FR. He probably has just as many credits as Gary Gygax does (not talking about actual 'published credits' here - Ed might even have more of those - I'm talking about stuff they both contributed to D&D as a whole).
Lilith has been used already somewhere? Damn! I'm going to have to take a look at that article and re-think some things... |
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Draezen
Acolyte
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Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 15:45:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
Thanks for the headstart, Quale.
Methinks it was Dragon 76, need to delve into my Dragon Archive CD collection (later).
It was Dragon #75, #76, and #91 ;) |
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froglegg
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 : 01:48:27
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ED did a wonderful job on this in Dragon mag I just cant remember the issue numbers.
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 : 07:44:48
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| It's not canon, of course, but the good people on Dicefreaks Forum, which can still be found here, once developed several hundreds pages' worth of PDF providing 3.5 details on some of the lords and ladies of the Nine Hells (in addition to creating some new ones). I never used the mechanics (still stuck in AD&D 2.5), but I liked a lot of the background. |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 : 11:19:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Thauramarth
It's not canon, of course, but the good people on Dicefreaks Forum, which can still be found here, once developed several hundreds pages' worth of PDF providing 3.5 details on some of the lords and ladies of the Nine Hells (in addition to creating some new ones). I never used the mechanics (still stuck in AD&D 2.5), but I liked a lot of the background.
I second that recommendation; Gates of Hell is one of the best product I've ever seen. Here's a more direct link: http://dicefreaks.superforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8 |
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Kilvan
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Canada
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 : 14:50:11
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| I may be wrong, but I think that Lilis, the consort of Asmodeus, is dead, killed by Levistus (the very reason for his ice prison). That or Lilis is his new consort. I might find more info on her in Levistus or Glasya's entry of FCII. |
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The Princesses of Hell
