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John Smith
Acolyte
USA
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 Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 03:13:27
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Is there any info on the large continent south of Maztica? Or, how about the large island southeast of that continent? These areas seem ripe for adventure. Thanks in advance! 
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 03:37:40
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Its called Katashaka, and no, there is no info (even less then Osse, which was at least mentioned in a novel). It has been suggesed by at least one designer that the Nyambe setting (D20) would be a perfect fit - it's Africanesque.
The large island isn't named.
I had dubbed it Tabaxiland on a map (based on an erroneous entry in Races of Faerūn), but that's far from official. |
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Daviot
Senior Scribe
USA
372 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 03:49:21
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It's also mentioned* on page 30 of The Grand History of the Realms, in the side-bar on the Tarrasque (-2809 DR), as well (semi-unofficially) in the Candlekeep Compendium, volume 4.
*As in, name-dropped more than discussed.  |
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Raith
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 05:42:08
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That is so terrific, I picked Nyambe up out of the bargain bin for a measly five bucks! What a terrific book, and now I have a fantastic excuse to use it.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 06:02:11
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Katashaka was the unofficial name Brian James used for one of his articles in the "Candlekeep Compendium," featuring lore about the dark continent located southwest of Faerūn. Since it survived editing, we've now learnt a little more about Katashaka in the Grand History of the Realms tome, where it has become canonised.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 06:03:16
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Originally posted by Markustay
Its called Katashaka, and no, there is no info (even less then Osse, which was at least mentioned in a novel). It has been suggesed by at least one designer that the Nyambe setting (D20) would be a perfect fit - it's Africanesque.
Like Tom Costa:- "I know several folks (myself included) who transplanted Atlas Games' excellent Nyambe (with some tweaks), which also built off many of the old 2E articles in Dragon on African gaming, to the large undefined continent southwest of Nimbral and southeast of Maztica (see the FR Atlas CD-ROM). It also makes sense with the Anaconda refernce you mention, but I doubt we'll see an official African-esque setting as most non-European-esque setting don't seem to sell too well from what we've been told.
So pick up Nyambe and watch the Shaka Zulu miniseries from the 80s and you'll be dying to play an African-based setting. I really can't say enough good things about how well conceived Nyambe is. Hey even Monte Cook gave it top grades."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 06:23:49
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And I HIGHLY recommend the Nyambe setting for anyone wanting to flesh-out katashaka - its an excellent product.
I am working on a katashaka-version of the Nyambe map, but I haven't been back to it in awhile. Unfortunately its one of the back-burner projects, so I couldn't even begin to estimate when that might get done.
Shameless Plug:
However, I purposely went out-of-my-way to make sure the Nyambe lore linked-up perfectly with FR's lore in my (one and only) CKC article. The chain of islands lie off the coast between Maztica and Katashaka (and are probably in Abeir now  ), and the various Sea-Gates were used to explain the myriad colonizations by different ethnic groups.
I'm particularily proud of the one I used to connect Mulhorand with Katashaka, so as to have Nyambe's 'Water People' covered. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 23:03:17
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I played a few adventures there, my friend used mostly Nyambe, some parts of X'endrik for the colder south, and more lizards in the northern jungles
it was visited by a merchant fleet from Shou Lung
the Overpower was Ao
the cosmology also fits
I'd include the Mwangi Expanse from Pathfinder if I ever run another similar game |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 15:45:49
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Originally posted by The Sage
Katashaka was the unofficial name Brian James used for one of his articles in the "Candlekeep Compendium," featuring lore about the dark continent located southwest of Faerūn. Since it survived editing, we've now learnt a little more about Katashaka in the Grand History of the Realms tome, where it has become canonised.
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Heh, I wonder if Brian knew about it and simply kept it hush hush from the editors  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 23:07:08
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by The Sage
Katashaka was the unofficial name Brian James used for one of his articles in the "Candlekeep Compendium," featuring lore about the dark continent located southwest of Faerūn. Since it survived editing, we've now learnt a little more about Katashaka in the Grand History of the Realms tome, where it has become canonised.
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Heh, I wonder if Brian knew about it and simply kept it hush hush from the editors
Perhaps. It's more likely that when Rich Baker first encountered the "Grand History" PDF, which included some details about Katashaka, Wizards simply decided to canonise most of it as well. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 13:40:10
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by The Sage
Katashaka was the unofficial name Brian James used for one of his articles in the "Candlekeep Compendium," featuring lore about the dark continent located southwest of Faerūn. Since it survived editing, we've now learnt a little more about Katashaka in the Grand History of the Realms tome, where it has become canonised.
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Heh, I wonder if Brian knew about it and simply kept it hush hush from the editors
Perhaps. It's more likely that when Rich Baker first encountered the "Grand History" PDF, which included some details about Katashaka, Wizards simply decided to canonise most of it as well.
And we are all better off for it |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 13:40:52
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| Its nice to have names to lands. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 14:42:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
Perhaps. It's more likely that when Rich Baker first encountered the "Grand History" PDF, which included some details about Katashaka, Wizards simply decided to canonise most of it as well.
These would be my thoughts as well.
They were obviously EXTREMELY impressed with what Brian had done. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 15:29:38
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Originally posted by Markustay
They were obviously EXTREMELY impressed with what Brian had done.
Very good point. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 02:29:12
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As were many people, including myself... and now the Realms are permanently impressed with the aftermath of that, "like a boot stamping on a human face forever" to quote one of my favourite non-fantasy authors. Wizards of the Coast: purveyors of fine Orwellian fantasy since 2008. I am in no way blaming Brian for the Sellplague; I'm done with the blame game, and I'm done with bemoaning the loss of canon to my Realms (better that than the alternative loss). I continue to bemoan the loss of existing pre-Sellplague lore that can't be published due to ongoing eNDAnglement issues, but I'm trying to do so more quietly now.
Anyway, on a more positive note, Mark: How goes the world map, particularly (to keep on topic) Katashaka and Osse? Anything new to report? Maps make me happy, as long as they're either pre-Sellplague or not of any part of Toril...  ...although Laerakond is a very interesting place... just don't call it anything with "Abeir" in the name, please.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 06:20:40
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Well, I've actually come across a great concept for Osse - I even found an appropriate map... I just have to adapt it to Osse's coastal outline.
Actually... looking at that again... it almost works as-is. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 21:30:25
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Absolutely, if you're mapping post-Spellplague Osse...  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
Edited by - Jakk on 13 Mar 2009 21:31:31 |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 21:36:55
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You got that right... except the lore of that land actually makes more sense...
I might have to 'silly it up' a bit for 4e. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 22:00:18
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Can't argue with you there...  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Mar 2009 : 03:15:41
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Originally posted by Markustay
Well, I've actually come across a great concept for Osse - I even found an appropriate map... I just have to adapt it to Osse's coastal outline.
Actually... looking at that again... it almost works as-is.
-With all due respect Markus...you are a Nit-wit!
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Mean Eyed Cat
Acolyte
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2009 : 03:31:10
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Ohhhhhh... he wrote-up Flying Monkeys... thats just crazy-sexy.
And I'm actually considering using it as a template right now - I'm thinking I like the idea of the entire central region being a raised (and somewhat rectangular) Palteau. Take all the sillines out, if you know what I mean, and apply some of that to real terrain.
Going by that globe-map, it almost seems like Oz would work for Osse if we just rotated the map 90ŗ counter-clockwise. 
I could always go with Mcfarlane's 'dark' Oz, or even that abomination that was a TV mini-series (although it wasn't nearly as bad as the Flash Gordon one they totally butchered).
And I bring-up Flash Gordon because it relates to the topic, or at least the topic of my maps in general. I haven't gotten to the background piece for Sossal yet, but I'm thinking of basing at least some of it on Frigia, the Ice Kingdom, from the Flash Gordon series. We got so many 'loving and tender' women in FR, I think we need at least one Ice Queen. 
Anyhow, no work on that, K-T, or even finishing the little left for this series Naked Old Empires (The Naked Empires? Sounds like something Ed would have had).
I had my kids for the weekend, and they always come first. |
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Terra Incognita 2
