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tauster
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 Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 10:21:52
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i am looking for songs or poems from our world that can be used as fluffy background for faerunian religions.
after reading faiths & avatars (and the other two 2e accessories), i was kind of dissapointed that each religions background is limited to a quite small dogma - section.
to my mind, there should be more of that: different schools of thought within each religion (so a dm can stage some internal conflict), maybe some example- prayers, more legends from the history of the faith, etc...
i know that it would go beyond the scope of these books, so i started to look for myself.
two examples of poetry come below, i´d be very happy if you could provide more fluff! :)
i found this one while watching mtv; it´s the lyrics from a techno/dance clip (blank & jones: "caress the hardest heart"
quote:
Caress the hardest heart (x2)
Let the morning sun proclaim
The lights of the world
Let the golden day unfurl
On every wave
On every hill
Each angered fist uncurl
Caress the hardest heart
Stir the sweeping earth
Each stone
Each blade of grass
The soul of the world
Ignites a brand new day
Let the morning sun proclaim
A brand new start
Caress the hardest heart
Caress the hardest heart
[Repeat all verses]
[Last verse]
The soul of the world
Ignite a brand new day
A brand new start
A brand new way
when i first heard that words i was kind of spellbound; normally, i almost immidiately switch channels when there´s that kind of "boom-boom- music", but that one... i think it has LATHANDER painted all over it...
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tauster
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 10:24:12
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the second one is a german poem, unfortunely it´s hard to translate so that the beauty of these words is preserved...
it is a eulogy to sune, at least the way i see & feel it:
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winkt dir die liebe so folge ihr, sind auch ihre wege hart und steil.
und umfahren dich ihre flügel so ergibt dich ihr, mag auch das unter dem gefieder verborgene schwert dich verwunden.
und redet sie mit dir so trau ihrem wort, mag auch ihre stimme deine träume erschüttern, wie der nordwind den garten verwüstet.
liebe gibt nichts als sich selber und nimmt nichts als aus sich selbst heraus.
liebe besitzet nicht und läßt sich nicht besitzen, denn liebe genügt der liebe.
khalil gibran - der prophet
i found this jewel again as song- lyrics, this time from a group called "schiller" (cd´s name: "weltreise"). i try to translate, but please do not beat me! :rolleyes:
quote:
When love becons you so follow her, even if her ways may be hard and steep,
When her wings caress you so submit to her, even if the sword hidden beneath her feathers may hurt you,
And when she talks to you so trust her words, even if her voice shatters [or shakes…] your dreams, like the northwind devastates [or ravages, desolates…] the garden.
Love gives nothing but itself and takes nothing but out of itself.
Love does not own [or posess…] and does not let herself be owned [or posessed…], for love suffices love.
i´m looking specifically for poetic fluff of these religions:
shaundakul: wanderings, exploring, nature...
eilistraee: exile for good´s sake, stars, night, nature, dance...
chauntea: nature, agriculture, pastoral idylls...
kelemvor: death (maybe from the eyes of the dying person), justice after death...
more from lathander, the elven pantheon, dwarfish stuff.
maybe there already exists a scroll with faerunian religios poetry in this great library, lying on a forgotten shelf and gathering dust. if so, please show me the way...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 10:42:19
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Confound it  .
This is my somewhat hasty translation -
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if the dear signs to you follows it in such a way, also its ways are hard and steep.
and you their wings umfahren (??? I have no idea with this) result in you in such a way it, may also that under the plumage hidden sword you wound.
and it talks with you trusts its word, likes also their in such a way tunes yours dreams shakes, how the north wind devastates the garden.
does not love gives nothing as itself and takes anything out as from itself.
does not love possesses and cannot be possessed, because loves is sufficient the dear.
khalil gibran - prophet
Obviously tauster's, is the more correct version, but still, I could not resist putting my amateur linguistic skills to the test.
By the way, does the title weltreise roughly translate into english as 'voyage round the world'?
Oh well...
Anyway, this is an intriguing idea. Although it would take quite an amount of work to find the 'right' poem, for the 'right' faith.
I will indeed keep an eye out though (not literally of course  ), surely some of my favorite operatic works would qualify for this, at least after a little work of course.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 11:19:40
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This is an intriguing idea. I like that one for Lathander up there. Though perhaps I wouldn't if I knew what music went with it.
Hmm . . . I'll have to work on this. Most of the stuff I know isn't apropriate, in that it's more from the outside looking in. For instance, Don McLean's Flight of Dragons is about wishing for fantasy. ("I want to go where they are going/Into the world they've been/Can I open up my mind enough to see?") |
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tauster
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 11:42:09
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@sage: yes, your translation of "weltreise" is correct. i do not know if there´s an english term for that one...
about your translation: i will not say that it is incorrect or has flaws- it seems to me that you simply viewed these words from another perspective, so your´s differs from mine. it´s always hard to translate something (poetry above all) from your native tongue in a foreign language, and it´s twice that hard to do it the other way round. see "one ring to rule them all,...": sure it sounds nice in german, but to me part of the flavour is lost.
i will check the poems of robert frost (one of my favourite english poets) when my exams are over (two weeks to go  ), i recall there was something about choosing between two roads in a forest... should be fitting for shaundakul...
finding the "right" poetry could require quite some time, especially if it comes from unexpected directions (mtv and lathander?¿?). but i believe it is simply a matter of going through live with open eyes and an open mind. 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 12:05:33
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That's okay. I am only an amateur when it comes to translating some languages, although it's nice to know I got some part of this translation right.
Robert Frost would indeed be an excellent choice. In fact most of his later period works would indeed be relevant, although I will have to look through the old school book I have from Literature class.
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 12:06:47
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Bookwyrm said -
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For instance, Don McLean's Flight of Dragons is about wishing for fantasy. ("I want to go where they are going/Into the world they've been/Can I open up my mind enough to see?")
I am unfamiliar with this Bookwyrm. Are you in an enlightening mood... .
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 12:52:51
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You've never seen it? ::sigh:: This younger generation . . . .  
You can download the particular song here. It's a .wav file 1MB in size.
Going out to the rest of that page will lead you to a synopsis of the old cartoon movie, as well as some pictures. There's a link to the video version of the title sequence, but I didn't bother with it. The music's what's important; the animation isn't all that spectacular. (Think the old Scooby-Doo and the like.)
However, it's a very good story. It's based on the semi-famous book The Dragon and the George by Gorden R. Dickson. It's not the same, though; it's also based on a non-novel fantasy, also called The Flight of Dragons. It was mainly an exploration of how dragons might have existed. The movie goes through some of the explanations, like why the dragon needs a hoard of gold, and why they breathed fire (which is connected to how such large creatures could fly; if you download the video version, you might guess what it is).
The above page carries two links for possibly getting the movie itself. Like I said, it's animation isn't the best; plus it's 80s-era cheesy in several places. But I grew up with this tape. I like it. (Plus, it's got James Earl Jones as the Evil Bad Wizard. And I love the "incantations" at the end.) |
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The Sage
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 13:20:51
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| I've had this movie on my mind for a while now. I recently came across an old rewrite of the lyrics I did years ago, where I added some more lines. Then I found the actual tape, and played it for my niece. (I was getting pretty tired of Mulan playing over and over. ) She liked Mulan better, probably because it was funnier to her. Still, she likes dragons. In fact, she was clapping and saying "Yay dragon! Yay!" when the Evil Bad Guy dragon Bryagh was getting the upper hand over Sir Owen. |
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The Sage
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 13:56:46
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| Um . . . maybe. I'll have to go over them again and see if I really want to subject myself to public embarrassment. |
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The Sage
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tauster
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 15:10:10
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i found the robert frost- poem i was thinking of...
The road not taken
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as i could
To where it bent in the undergrowth.
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear.
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same.
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way lead on to way
I doubted if i should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sight
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
I took the one less travelled by
And that has made all the difference.
since it has something to do with travelling or wandering, forests and is remotely related to discovery (the way i understand it- correct me if i´m wrong!), i thought it could be used for shaundakul, but i´m not shure... to me it doesn´t feel like shaundakul, at least not the way the other two feel like tha morningloard and the lady of beauty & love...
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The Sage
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NightElf
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 15:25:59
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Yes, you have a point there, especially the last few lines:
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Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
I took the one less travelled by
And that has made all the difference.
It sounds like one of those things with a hidden meaning, something like "It's your choices that make you who you are" or when you think "If I'd taken the other road, what would everything be like now" |
"Those who watch their backs meet death from the front" |
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The Sage
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tauster
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 15:40:57
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that´s what i thought when i unearthed it.
i remembered it somehow different.
so what god(des) do we attribute this fine piece of literature to?
or do we simply forget about it? 
- it´s all about fate. i thought savras had fate in his domain...
- there´s plenty of wood- silvanus or the other forest- gods?
- it´s about choice. hasn´t tymore got something to do with choosing? but then again, i miss the lucky parts...
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NightElf
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 15:44:13
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| Tymora could be a possibility, after all, what could have happened had you taken the other route. We all know what forests are like. I think it's got more to do with the Fate element though... Who's the god(des) of Fate? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 16:20:49
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Savras, the All Seeing, is the deity of Fate, Knowledge, Law, and Magic (spells).
While I can see attributing this to Tymora, Savras would indeed be a stretch. It really does not seem appropriate. The right to choose really goes against fate, since fate is categorised as something that is already pre-determined. There isn't much room for choice in there.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 03:20:23
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There's a song I know of called "Ancient Souls" that's about a girl searching for her soulmate through many lifetimes. Unforunately, I never found the lyrics for it, and on top of that, I can't remember the words at the moment. I've got the CD at home, but that's just where I'm not.
However, I remeber a sort of whispered part in the middle:
Her heart is old
It's (something -- late?), it's lost
And she just needs to be complete at any cost.
She wanders the mists,
Searching everwhere
For the one to share her love.
Anyway, it's something like that. I've got a tin ear, though, so I easily miss words in music. However, how do you feel about this one for Sune? Or even Savras, since you could find elements of fate in it? (Sune's got teh stronger claim, though.) |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 06:29:20
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I can definitely see this as a tribute to Sune, and even to a lesser extent...Savras. It does contain elements of fate, however I think it is more inclined towards love and fulfillment than anything else. Perhaps if we did have the lyrics to the entire song, we could make a better judgment. I know of several websites that detail lyrics for nearly every musical genre there is. However you need to be registered to view the catalogues, since the temptation to copy lyrics is to great.
Can I at least know the name of the CD?.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 30 Jul 2003 : 17:24:14
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| It's called Celtic Mystique. It has some traditional Celtic songs, like the Irish Homes of Donegal and the Scottish Loch Lommand (which is where we get the lines "You take the high road/And I'll take the low road.") It also has some others, like the Ancient Souls I mentioned, plus another favorite of mine, Circle of Stone (about Stonehenge and the feel of the magic of history about it). Then there's also McIan of Glencoe, about one of the bloodiest battles in Scottish history. |
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The Sage
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 29 Sep 2003 : 15:42:13
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Last night I did a search again, and finally someone's put up the lyrics to these songs. Now you don't have to depend on my tin ear for the words (which, needless to say, I got wrong).
Unfortunately, Tauster hasn't shown up for a while, so I don't know if this is going to be of any use . . . .
Ancient Souls
Walking through the mist, she listens with her heart,
Searching for somone to touch her soul.
Shadows up ahead, hiding in the trees,
She’s young but she feels so very old.
Sounds are running less--the silence of the night,
Blend and mix together all around.
Star crossed lovers pass, not seeing through the dark,
To ancient lands where souls run aground.
She’s lost upon the road, her ancient soul;
She’s searching for someone to touch her soul.
The other love part of her soul, this treasure is her goal.
Wandering among love’s hidden shores.
Her heart is old, it's light is lost;
She wants to be complete at any cost.
She wandered the mists, searched every road;
She wants someone to share her load.
One is very old for the wandering of souls,
We’ve searched through many lives upon the earth.
When we find our way, we’ll mist the world away
With the union of two very ancient souls.
She’s lost upon the road, her ancient soul;
She’s searching for someone to touch her soul.
The other love part of her soul, this treasure is her goal.
Wandering among love’s hidden shores.
It's unfortunate that I can't really give you the tune to go with it. It doesn't sound the same without it. Even as poetry, it looses some. |
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Jander Sunstar
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Posted - 29 Sep 2003 : 22:43:21
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Gods of war I call You. My sword is by my side.
I seek a life of honor, free from all false pride.
I will crack the whip with a bold mighty hail.
Cover me with death if I should ever fail
how is this one for a prayer to tempus? it is a part of a song of manowar. songs name is warior's prayer it fits quite well |
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
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Posted - 29 Sep 2003 : 22:54:35
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Elvenpath
Hearing music from the deepest forest
Songs as a seduction of sirens
The elf-folk is calling me
Tapio, Bearking, Ruler of the forest
Mielikki, Bluecloak, Healer of the ill and sad
Open the gate and let me follow the uncarven path
The way to the lands
Where as a hero I stand
The path where Beauty met the Beast
Elvenpath
It's the honesty of these worlds
Ruled by magic and mighty swords
That makes my soul long for the past
Elvenpath
ýt's nightwish's. ý like this song. can be sung by a bard |
Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
-Jander Sunstar |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 30 Sep 2003 : 05:16:36
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| Not bad, Jander. Not bad at all. |
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Jander Sunstar
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Posted - 30 Sep 2003 : 16:11:09
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thanks
ý have some lyrics of real bands which are quite suitable for a bard. for me it is very hard to play a bard that sings and reads poems. here is one if anyone is interested:
Lament Of A Minstrel
For the moon and the sun
and for the winds I've sung,
hear how the lovely tones dance
upon my tongue.
I've gazed upon the Orion
for oh so many nights,
astounded by the beauty of the dark
and sparkling sky.
I'm a lonely minstrel,
a traveller on a road to nowhere
I sing a song to lighten the day
so come along as I walk away.
The lute's the only friend
I've got by my side,
who's shared by moments
as I laughed and cried.
I comfort my heart
with a jar of wine,
in the memory of love that once was mine
this is falconer's. there are so many resourses in the metal pool. believe me |
Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 01 Oct 2003 : 00:39:39
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Before Cyric asks;Are there any songs about Cyric?
No really,I like some of these.Mostly Scottish and Celtic?I'll
have to check into this.Has anyone seen any Mp3s or wavs in any of
these or others?If anyone finds a link,would you post it??Thanks. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 01 Oct 2003 : 07:21:36
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| Which ones are you talking about? |
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