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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 13:22:54
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Well met
This is a Book Club thread for Unholy (Book 3 of The Haunted Lands), by Richard Lee Byers. Please discuss the prologue and chapters 1 - 4 herein.
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Edited by - The Sage on 10 Aug 2010 05:43:23
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Oriac
Acolyte
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 18:17:49
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| So... a lot of big changes right up front, but I guess we kind of expected that. Even the 100 year time jump was expected, or should have been. A couple good things about the time jump is: magic works right again, Aoth has an awesome army that he commands, and well.. okay those are the only two things I can think of right now. |
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Oriac
Acolyte
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 18:20:27
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| I don't remember if it's in chapter four or five, but I really love how Aoth confronts the council and basically tells them it's his way or the highway, sorta. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Feb 2009 : 00:10:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Oriac
So... a lot of big changes right up front, but I guess we kind of expected that. Even the 100 year time jump was expected, or should have been. A couple good things about the time jump is: magic works right again, Aoth has an awesome army that he commands, and well.. okay those are the only two things I can think of right now.
Unholy is 100 years after book 2  |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Oriac
Acolyte
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Posted - 08 Feb 2009 : 19:02:27
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| Yes, in correspondence with the shift to 4e. But don't worry, it's not as bad as it sounds. All the main characters are still there, no one important has died. |
Edited by - Oriac on 08 Feb 2009 19:03:04 |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2009 : 23:59:25
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| Interesting to see that Malark has spent the last 100 years studying magic under Zsass Tam's hand and has come to be regarded as his friend. I can't wait to see what mischief he is planning that required him to duplicate himself. Although it's likely he is playing into Zsass's plans, since he was the one who taught him that spell. The only thing I have trouble with is that Samas is still alive, I wood have thought Nevron would have tired of him long ago and did him in! |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Fzane27
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 02:53:04
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This really isn't a spoiler since it's in the prologue but did something happen that I'm forgetting or not realizing
Did something happen to Bareis that I'm not catching onto yet?
When he threw Aoth his spear it says "undeath has bleached his skin and hair white as bone and turned his eyes to ink black pits"
Is Bareis is an Undead Bard now, where did I miss that? |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 13:33:05
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Originally posted by Fzane27
This really isn't a spoiler since it's in the prologue but did something happen that I'm forgetting or not realizing
Did something happen to Bareis that I'm not catching onto yet?
When he threw Aoth his spear it says "undeath has bleached his skin and hair white as bone and turned his eyes to ink black pits"
Is Bareis is an Undead Bard now, where did I miss that?
It happened on the flight from thay, when he entered the undead..hmm not sure what it was called......but it did turn him into undead and I am sure someone here will remember the exact details. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 15:50:14
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| I believe it was a Dream Vestiage that transformed Baeris when he entered it, in an attempt to defeat it. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Braveheart
Learned Scribe
Austria
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 17:18:46
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I believe it was a Dream Vestiage that transformed Baeris when he entered it, in an attempt to defeat it.
Bareris did defeat it with some type of song (IIRC he poured all his sorrow of the last ten years into it) and was transformed in the process. Quite handy to be undead and not be affected by holy energy 
And how handy that all the main characters have survived the 100 years through magical means or their undead nature. Now, when we just apply that to all the characters of 14th century DR and just forget about the multiverse redefining itself, etc. etc, all would be fine...
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Jarlaxle: "Do keep ever present in your thoughts, my friend, that an illusion can kill you if you believe in it."
Entreri: "And the real thing can kill you whether you believe in it or not." |
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Sith_Lord_Drizzt
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 20:17:01
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| Not a bad start. I've enjoyed the changes in Aoth, Baeris, and Malark over the 100 year jump. I was worried about the jump forward in time, but so far it seems to be working for these characters. |
"Jarlaxle's grin disappeared as he turned his attention to Drizzt. He watched the fury of the drow unleashed. Jarlaxle had seen Drizzt in action many times before, but never like that".
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 21 Feb 2009 : 16:39:24
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Originally posted by Braveheart
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I believe it was a Dream Vestiage that transformed Baeris when he entered it, in an attempt to defeat it.
Bareris did defeat it with some type of song (IIRC he poured all his sorrow of the last ten years into it) and was transformed in the process. Quite handy to be undead and not be affected by holy energy
Well, there are critters like the Deathless (from Book of Exalted Deeds) and something similar from the Eberron setting. They are 'good' undead; I'd like to retcon archliches and baelnorn as deathless.
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 20:17:29
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| Not sure I like the "End of the World...again" scenario. But the story is interesting. The first few chapters have moved kind of slow for me, I hope they pick up later on. One big thing that has been bothering me. All of the magic users seem to be opperating as they had 100 years prior...the ones that survived. Isn't magic changed in a very fundemental way? I feel this should be reflected upon by some of the characters who survived the past 100 years. They should be lamenting about how they had to relearn their magic.....and it still wasn't the same. Anyways, I'm being nitpcky but it just stuck out for me. Still a good book though and I can't wait untill I get to the ending. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 14:43:04
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Originally posted by Oriac
Yes, in correspondence with the shift to 4e. But don't worry, it's not as bad as it sounds. All the main characters are still there, no one important has died.
Ah, the benefits of Undead characters. |
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Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 14:45:00
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Anyways, I have read up to this point so far and am happy the story took the 100 year time jump. What happened during the spellplague was covered in book 2 and it is time for stories to take place in this new time period and this book adapts to it easily (since undead characters are easy to keep alive...uhm...unalive...for that long)  |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Oct 2010 : 12:30:30
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Originally posted by Caolin
Not sure I like the "End of the World...again" scenario. But the story is interesting. The first few chapters have moved kind of slow for me, I hope they pick up later on. One big thing that has been bothering me. All of the magic users seem to be opperating as they had 100 years prior...the ones that survived. Isn't magic changed in a very fundemental way? I feel this should be reflected upon by some of the characters who survived the past 100 years. They should be lamenting about how they had to relearn their magic.....and it still wasn't the same. Anyways, I'm being nitpcky but it just stuck out for me. Still a good book though and I can't wait untill I get to the ending.
I'm pretty sure they had their moments of 'relearning' their magic. But Richard must have simply skipped that part (judging it to be inconsequential or something) and moved to the time when they once again had full grasp of their magic.
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Tremaine
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Dec 2010 : 12:14:45
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| just started reading unholy was sad to see Brightwing had passed away |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Dec 2010 : 08:44:00
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Anyways, I have read up to this point so far and am happy the story took the 100 year time jump. What happened during the spellplague was covered in book 2 and it is time for stories to take place in this new time period and this book adapts to it easily (since undead characters are easy to keep alive...uhm...unalive...for that long)
I've nothing against the time jump. Except the one thing that's left to the readers' imagination: how exactly did Malark manage to become a Red Wizard of formidable power?! |
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Unholy - Prologue & Chapters 1 - 4
