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Daviot
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 11:15:15
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First off, while I've been gobbling down Realmslore ever since I nabbed the 3.0 Campaign Setting and have a good grasp on most of Faerūn (excluding 4th Edition, a topic I shan't mention further herein), there are a few gaps in my mental library, such as the Vilhon, and more importantly, Everaer and Cormyrean nobility. The last is a topic that some of the scribes (and Ed) here track with great enthusiasm, but I never got into it. (The irony, of course, is that one of my favorite places to play and 'venture is the Dales, practically next door.  )
This said, my question involves the campaign I'm currently running. It's set in Ches 1370 around the Dales, and probably involves the most (in-character) overly educated party to walk the Realms:
-Three of the party members (two current) are priests (not clerics or 2E priests, but they hold that position in the church) of Oghma
-One character is a recently anointed full glyphscribe of Deneir.
-One character is Sembian low-nobility, from a upper-middle/lower-upper class family of adventurers (members of the Lodge of the Sphinx, Urmlaspyr).
These characters have some interesting ancestry. One character (new to D&D) picked the surname "Morn" for his surname, and it's become a branch of the Morn family based out of Urmlaspyr. Do a little math, and Alan Morn (the PC) is relating to Randal Morn through Colderan, making Alan Randal's third cousin, once removed.
And now to a bigger headache. One of the other PCs picked up a cohort, a lady knight by the name of "Lorna" (Dalorna) Melruth (a nom de guerre). She's the bastard daughter of a Cormyrean lady of ill repute and a visiting sun elf Everaer noble. She was mostly raised as a playmate to a white sheep of a Cormyrean noble house, and the two became betrothed. He was likeable and bookish; she was headstrong and martially inclined, and trained by the bodyguards of the house.
Some time in 1369, to pay off debts, her fiancé is assassinated by the Fire Knives and the rest of his family seizes his property and servants. Lorna is disowned, and only manages to keep her engagement gift, a fully barded Cormyrean destrier named Deftin, her armor, shield, and the clothes on her back. Lorna leaves Cormyr for the Dales quietly.
Doing the bit of research I could, I wasn't able to come up with a possible father for Lorna, but given the upheaval of the Bleth and Cormaeril families after the Abraxus Affair of that year(and the fact that many of the Fire Knives are Cormaerils), would it be feasible to have a Cormaeril fit the bill as her late betrothed?
According the scant info I've gleaned, Lamiril Cormaeril is a bit of financial expert in the public eye who keeps away from the rest of his family. He appears to only have one mention of his name, in the Cormyr sourcebook, page 47. I don't have access to it.
Would he be a feasible candidate? Who might Lorna's father be? Can any of my fellow scribes offer suggestions or speculation, or is this the sort of query I should add to Ed's ever-growing queue?
-Thanks in advance. 
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 16:23:07
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Originally posted by Daviot
According the scant info I've gleaned, Lamiril Cormaeril is a bit of financial expert in the public eye who keeps away from the rest of his family. He appears to only have one mention of his name, in the Cormyr sourcebook, page 47. I don't have access to it.
Would he be a feasible candidate?
I don't see why not. You seem to have a great story here--roll with it. |
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ErskineF
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 16:45:48
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Originally posted by Daviot
These characters have some interesting ancestry. One character (new to D&D) picked the surname "Morn" for his surname, and it's become a branch of the Morn family based out of Urmlaspyr. Do a little math, and Alan Morn (the PC) is relating to Randal Morn through Colderan, making Alan Randal's third cousin, once removed.
Can you give me some more details on the relationship here? I created a family tree for the Morn family using information from one of Ed's older replies on the subject, and I'm wondering how this would fit in. Is the character a direct descendant of Colderan, or are you postulating a sibling for Colderan?
As an aside, I read somewhere--can't remember where--that Malyk was a distant relative of Randal's, and I had also wondered how to fit that into the family tree.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 19:20:05
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I love the story, but I have a problem with using the Cormaerils. In that they wouldn't be in a position to seize anything from Lorna after the Asbraxus Affair (being as the Crown seized THEIR holdings), and would have been under quite close watch from the War Wizards and certain Highknights BEFORE the Asbraxus Affair (because of the Fire Knives involvement).
Does it have to be the Bleths or Cormaerils, for reasons not shared in your post, or is the "field wide open," so to speak?
If it's the latter, I think I can nudge Ed into a speedy reply. He has literally dozens of noble families of Cormyr that are a little more obscure (purely because they haven't been mentioned over and over in published Realmslore, not because they aren't part of his long-standing and ongoing detailing of Cormyr) who COULD fit the bill.
If you'd like to go this route, just post a question in Ed's thread, and say a little about where you'd like this noble family to be based or have holdings (in the countryside, that is; almost all nobles have some sort of domicile in Suzail). That'll help him suggest some candidate families.
And all the Cormyr fans among scribes here at the Keep will love you for making the suggestion, because they'll get more lore about some noble families.
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Daviot
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 20:57:49
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
I love the story, but I have a problem with using the Cormaerils. In that they wouldn't be in a position to seize anything from Lorna after the Asbraxus Affair (being as the Crown seized THEIR holdings), and would have been under quite close watch from the War Wizards and certain Highknights BEFORE the Asbraxus Affair (because of the Fire Knives involvement).
Does it have to be the Bleths or Cormaerils, for reasons not shared in your post, or is the "field wide open," so to speak?
If it's the latter, I think I can nudge Ed into a speedy reply. He has literally dozens of noble families of Cormyr that are a little more obscure (purely because they haven't been mentioned over and over in published Realmslore, not because they aren't part of his long-standing and ongoing detailing of Cormyr) who COULD fit the bill.
If you'd like to go this route, just post a question in Ed's thread, and say a little about where you'd like this noble family to be based or have holdings (in the countryside, that is; almost all nobles have some sort of domicile in Suzail). That'll help him suggest some candidate families.
And all the Cormyr fans among scribes here at the Keep will love you for making the suggestion, because they'll get more lore about some noble families.
love,
THO
Not at all, I was making a shot in the dark. Some bit of unearthed Ed lore would work great, though. ~_^ |
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Daviot
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 21:02:57
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Originally posted by ErskineF
Can you give me some more details on the relationship here? I created a family tree for the Morn family using information from one of Ed's older replies on the subject, and I'm wondering how this would fit in. Is the character a direct descendant of Colderan, or are you postulating a sibling for Colderan?
As an aside, I read somewhere--can't remember where--that Malyk was a distant relative of Randal's, and I had also wondered how to fit that into the family tree.
The picture on the link doesn't seem to be working. I went with Ed's 2005 reply on Randal's heritage and ran with it, and yes, it seemed easiest to postulate a sibling for Colderan than say, Belard, and Yethrae is both too geographically distant and close a relation to work as well. |
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ErskineF
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 05:46:19
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Originally posted by Daviot
The picture on the link doesn't seem to be working.
Argh. I think it will work now. If it doesn't, I'll do it up in CC2 and make it a jpg. It's just a graphical representation of the family tree, but I came up with dates for them. The dates aren't official, of course, but I think they work well within the parameters.
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I went with Ed's 2005 reply on Randal's heritage and ran with it, and yes, it seemed easiest to postulate a sibling for Colderan than say, Belard, and Yethrae is both too geographically distant and close a relation to work as well.
I agree.
Still, the PC's relationship is close enough that if Randal were to die without issue, he would be a contender for the lordship. There's Silver, too, of course, but she's married to a Cormyrean noble, hasn't produced an heir, and her biological clock is tick, tick, ticking. A Morn who is a hero of the Dales, young, and presumably not sterile, might get the job by popular acclamation. 
Regarding Malyk, I found the reference to his being an heir of the Morn family. It's in RoZK, and just states that he was from a "far distant branch of the ruling family." I don't know how far is far. Maybe second cousin once removed? Perhaps there are more heirs in that line to muddy the waters.
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Daviot
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 11:27:33
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Originally posted by ErskineF
Argh. I think it will work now. If it doesn't, I'll do it up in CC2 and make it a jpg. It's just a graphical representation of the family tree, but I came up with dates for them. The dates aren't official, of course, but I think they work well within the parameters.
Aye, Got it working. Your encoding uses an MSOClass that most browsers other than IE tend to ignore entirely.
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Originally posted by ErskineF
I agree.
Still, the PC's relationship is close enough that if Randal were to die without issue, he would be a contender for the lordship. There's Silver, too, of course, but she's married to a Cormyrean noble, hasn't produced an heir, and her biological clock is tick, tick, ticking. A Morn who is a hero of the Dales, young, and presumably not sterile, might get the job by popular acclamation.
Regarding Malyk, I found the reference to his being an heir of the Morn family. It's in RoZK, and just states that he was from a "far distant branch of the ruling family." I don't know how far is far. Maybe second cousin once removed? Perhaps there are more heirs in that line to muddy the waters.
And Malyk was the inspiration for thinking they might be from the same family. And as for the PC Morn, I have a feeling that Randal will quietly and forcefully tell him that if questioned, to say "no relation", or else unpleasantries might occur.
Likewise, if Malyk was, say a second cousin once removed...first off, he can't be removed one generation downward (that is, Randal and Malyk sharing grandparents/great aunts or uncles), because that would put Malyk in his twenties. The more likely of the two would be the second cousin once removed in which they share a relative at Randal's great-grandparent level. That is, through Colderan. xD |
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Daviot
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 11:29:33
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| I tossed the Cormyrean family question to Ed, and the Morn question(?) is being discussed. Do I have any takers for suggestions on a biological father (or at least a family for him) for Lorna? |
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ErskineF
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 16:27:13
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Originally posted by Daviot
Aye, Got it working. Your encoding uses an MSOClass that most browsers other than IE tend to ignore entirely.
Especially when I forget to upload the support files, but don't realize it because the page is working perfectly fine on my machine. 
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And Malyk was the inspiration for thinking they might be from the same family. And as for the PC Morn, I have a feeling that Randal will quietly and forcefully tell him that if questioned, to say "no relation", or else unpleasantries might occur.
That's one way to deal with it. Of course there's no reason to think that Randal's going to kick off anytime soon. I was just thinking that it might be cool at the end of a long-running campaign to have the PC retire into that position. It would also solve the problem of what the Morn's are going to do about their lack of an heir.
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Likewise, if Malyk was, say a second cousin once removed...first off, he can't be removed one generation downward (that is, Randal and Malyk sharing grandparents/great aunts or uncles), because that would put Malyk in his twenties.
I wasn't clear. I was actually thinking second cousin once removed to Colderan, i.e., a great-grandson of Colderan's great-uncle. That would put him in Belard's generation, though, so perhaps second cousin twice removed. I picture him being roughly the same age as Flars. That would make him Randal's what? Fourth cousin once removed? I guess that's far distant enough. :)
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