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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 18:56:49
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It's been joked about often that the name of Drizzt's blue-glowing blade "Twinkle" could be butcher, and I tend to agree.
I was thinking that maybe it sounds better in the original Elven/Elvish/Espruar/whatever. Supposedly it was forged by surface elves and bears an intricate script (most likely Elven). Anybody know a source for D&D/FR Elven vocab? (Didn't find anything relevant in the 'Keep's <"Elven Dictionary">.)
As I understand it, the Tolkien Quenya Elvish equivalent would be <tintila>, for "twinkle".
One FR dictionary suggests that the Faerūnian Elven would be <tinta>, for "sparkle".
But those don't really help much in a quest for...butchness. 
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"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 19:48:53
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When hinges creak in doorless chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls, whenever candlelights flicker where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 19:57:28
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
I would rename the scimitar, Steve, myself
Ah, yeah.
And which dialect of Elven would that be? Got a source for that? |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3740 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 19:57:55
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
I would rename the scimitar, Steve, myself
-Go figure. So would I.
-Concerning renaming his blade, I would venture that Drizzt would bestow upon it a Drow name (Thus, opening up the Drow Dictionary), or a term in Common. Being that he is fairly "estranged" from his race, I would say the latter. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3740 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 22:02:42
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| -That would be a great name for an intelligent item that was created to benefit a specific church, but doesn't like them, so aids others, just to spite the church it doesn't like. I like it...I might use something like that in one of my games... |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 03:22:36
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Oh my mistake. I meant that it is blasphemy to even think about a different name for Twinkle  |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2008 : 00:59:43
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
USA
379 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2008 : 17:36:49
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riot the outsider
Learned Scribe
USA
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3740 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2008 : 22:14:13
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Originally posted by riot the outsider
"abyss" I hope I spelled that right.
-Yes, yes you did. Though, if you want to be technical, the 'A' should be capitalized, but there's no reason to be technical. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2008 : 17:45:43
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| Slicy McJabbalot. |
Female, 40-year DM of a homebrew-evolved 1E Realms, including a few added tidbits of 2E and 3E lore; played originally in AD&D, then in Rolemaster. Be a DM for your kids and grandkids, gaming is excellent for families! |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Nov 2008 : 18:36:15
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Originally posted by Therise
Slicy McJabbalot.
Kay, that's just genius. Ten points, Therise.
I love the name Twinkle. I think it's a ridiculous, terrible name for a terribly powerful weapon. Not every weapon has to be called "Cyricpuncher" or "Elfwhacker".
But failing that, I defer to Therise. "Slicy McJabbalot" it is. |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 15:44:20
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I would call it Mournful Introspect and Icingdeath wouldst then be known as Journalmaker. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 16:01:47
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Interesting Elven dictionary you got linked there. I'd be curious to know where/how that was built. Is it based on Tolkien's elven, or does it draw on D&D sources like Races of the Wild (which has some excellent samples of elven)?
I would also venture that the Realms version of Elven is indeed a different dialect, though how much overlap is, of course, up to you.
(I'm in that frame of mind because I did a post recently in my Sages thread about Elven swordfighting, which threw out a lot of elven words.)
As for the OP, unless it's otherwise named when Drizzt first obtains the sword (and I don't remember from the novel), I would venture that Twinkle's name translated into Elvish might be something like Ivaekiir, which roughly means "shining gem."
"Twinkle" is sort of like an amusing petname, or a bastardization like "Khelben" is a corruption of the original Elvish, a phrase I forgot off the top of my head which means "He Whom Duty/Honor Defines."
Is something like Ivaekiir suitably "butch" or at least "cool"? (Elvish isn't terribly good at language butch-ery. Coolness, sure.)
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 16:31:55
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| Given the mess that attested Realms elven language is in, we really don't want it mixed up still further with Quenya (which tinta is) or the Races of the Wild version. |
Edited by - Faraer on 01 Dec 2008 16:32:19 |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3740 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 16:50:47
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Interesting Elven dictionary you got linked there. I'd be curious to know where/how that was built. Is it based on Tolkien's elven, or does it draw on D&D sources like Races of the Wild (which has some excellent samples of elven)?
I would also venture that the Realms version of Elven is indeed a different dialect, though how much overlap is, of course, up to you.
(I'm in that frame of mind because I did a post recently in my Sages thread about Elven swordfighting, which threw out a lot of elven words.)
As for the OP, unless it's otherwise named when Drizzt first obtains the sword (and I don't remember from the novel), I would venture that Twinkle's name translated into Elvish might be something like Ivaekiir, which roughly means "shining gem."
"Twinkle" is sort of like an amusing petname, or a bastardization like "Khelben" is a corruption of the original Elvish, a phrase I forgot off the top of my head which means "He Whom Duty/Honor Defines."
Is something like Ivaekiir suitably "butch" or at least "cool"? (Elvish isn't terribly good at language butch-ery. Coolness, sure.)
Cheers
-It's based only on Forgotten Realms Elven words, be them included in novels/sourcebooks, mentioned by authors/designers, or extrapolated upon using noticeable patterns in the words we already have.
-As I said to MT the other day, I have a lot that needs to be added, and I probably should forward Alaundo a new copy, including the new words and such...
-And Khelben is Akhelbhen. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
Edited by - Lord Karsus on 01 Dec 2008 16:52:04 |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 16:54:00
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Originally posted by Therise
Slicy McJabbalot.
Well, this gets my vote! 
Steven |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 17:09:47
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"Akhelben" sounds like something you'd say to be snarky...
"So, I don't want to mention any names, but SOMEBODY was drilling holes into the ladies' washrooms all over Waterdeep...*ack-Khelben!*...ahem, excuse me." |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Tasker Daze
Seeker
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 17:39:36
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Interesting Elven dictionary you got linked there. I'd be curious to know where/how that was built. Is it based on Tolkien's elven, or does it draw on D&D sources like Races of the Wild (which has some excellent samples of elven)?
I would also venture that the Realms version of Elven is indeed a different dialect, though how much overlap is, of course, up to you.
(I'm in that frame of mind because I did a post recently in my Sages thread about Elven swordfighting, which threw out a lot of elven words.)
As for the OP, unless it's otherwise named when Drizzt first obtains the sword (and I don't remember from the novel), I would venture that Twinkle's name translated into Elvish might be something like Ivaekiir, which roughly means "shining gem."
"Twinkle" is sort of like an amusing petname, or a bastardization like "Khelben" is a corruption of the original Elvish, a phrase I forgot off the top of my head which means "He Whom Duty/Honor Defines."
Is something like Ivaekiir suitably "butch" or at least "cool"? (Elvish isn't terribly good at language butch-ery. Coolness, sure.)
Cheers
Ivaekiir sounds cool and elvish. Twinkle sounds like a My Little Pony. |
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Jon Grey
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 18:23:23
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| I think Twinkle was made for that scimitar. It's like calling that 7 foot tall, 400 pound ogre Tiny. Comical, until it smashes you in the face. |
Of all the people that have lied to me/
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 18:51:27
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Originally posted by BEAST
It's been joked about often that the name of Drizzt's blue-glowing blade "Twinkle" could be butcher, and I tend to agree.
But those don't really help much in a quest for...butchness.
Ye have ta be kiddin  , he's an elf which is hard enough to equate with butch, weilding scimitars which is not exactly helping that cause.
Now if he was an explosive moringstar wielding dwarf then, well we wouldn't even need ta be havin this discussion  |
If I waited till I knew what I was doing, I'd never get anything done.
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riot the outsider
Learned Scribe
USA
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
436 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 23:10:48
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"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet." And Twinkle by any other name would deal death just as quickly.
I think Jon Grey has the right of it and Twinkle's perfect for that sword. Just think of how all those who fell to that blade feel.
"So, tell me again how you died... Twinkle? WTH's a Twinkle?"
Slicy McJabbalot gets my vote for alternate. As for "Elfwhacker" NTT
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Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 00:09:43
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-It's based only on Forgotten Realms Elven words, be them included in novels/sourcebooks, mentioned by authors/designers, or extrapolated upon using noticeable patterns in the words we already have.
-As I said to MT the other day, I have a lot that needs to be added, and I probably should forward Alaundo a new copy, including the new words and such...
You mean that dictionary is yours?
Like I said--pretty snazzy.
Ask Steve about sending you over his notes on the Elven language of the Realms, or if he agrees, I can probably send you the file too.
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-And Khelben is Akhelbhen.
Quite right! That's the one I was looking for. 
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 02:42:02
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Note: Also, an alternate meaning of kiir is "star," if that, y'know, matters.
ivaekiir: "shining star."
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 02 Dec 2008 : 08:32:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
As for the OP, unless it's otherwise named when Drizzt first obtains the sword (and I don't remember from the novel),
No such luck. Hence my request for more info, here.
And to be clear, I was only intending to ask for a better translation of the Common word "Twinkle", rather than a completely new name altogether. "Slicy McJabbalot" notwithstanding...
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I would venture that Twinkle's name translated into Elvish might be something like Ivaekiir, which roughly means "shining gem."
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Is something like Ivaekiir suitably "butch" or at least "cool"?
Aye. Doesn't take much to sound butcher than "Twinkle"...
"Icingdeath" and "Ivaekiir".
What's the source on that, BTW? Was it Races of the Wild as you mentioned, or this computer file which you said that Steven Schend wrote? |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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A Better Name Than "Twinkle"?
