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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
 Posted - 13 Nov 2008 : 23:57:55
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Poll Question:
I'm creating this poll in response to the voting on my poll regarding the Obarskyr lineage document (overwhelming votes in favour, last time I looked).
Question: How interested would you be in previously-written pre-4E lore being made available on the WotC website for a download fee (rather than through DDi)?
Disclaimer: I am not pretending to have the slightest bit of power to make this happen; I am simply attempting to gauge the demand for the material and the medium. After all, Hasbro says they want to make money; PDFs are cheap to make and free to host on their own website, and worth easily a few bucks per download, depending on word count.
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Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 00:12:57
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Hrm... and now I can't find my original poll regarding old Cormyr lore.  Oh well... maybe I need to broaden my search terms. I'll keep looking...  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3745 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 00:20:01
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| -Yes, yes, we are all interested, but we know that this isn't going to happen. The best that there will be is articles and information primarily relevant to the "new" Forgotten Realms, that touches on older lore from the "old" Forgotten Realms by writers/designers who do their research and throw those who want to see it a bone. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 01:14:44
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| always, but it most likely is not going to happen. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36837 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 01:48:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Yes, yes, we are all interested, but we know that this isn't going to happen. The best that there will be is articles and information primarily relevant to the "new" Forgotten Realms, that touches on older lore from the "old" Forgotten Realms by writers/designers who do their research and throw those who want to see it a bone.
This is my thinking, as well. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 03:36:58
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| considering its much better than the junk we are getting, hell yeah |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 04:16:59
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-Vote very interested!  I can always use new info, if it helps me have a better FR game then so be it. 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 05:33:11
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| Broken Record, much? <smirk> |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 12:01:42
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quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Yes, yes, we are all interested, but we know that this isn't going to happen. The best that there will be is articles and information primarily relevant to the "new" Forgotten Realms, that touches on older lore from the "old" Forgotten Realms by writers/designers who do their research and throw those who want to see it a bone.
What he said ^ |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 13:40:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Broken Record, much? <smirk>
-If you mean me? Yepper! 
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 14:36:23
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| Fairly interested... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 14:54:43
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| I voted very interested. It might not do anything, but hey, why not? |
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Amarel Derakanor
Seeker
97 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 16:38:37
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Out of spite, I would prefer not give away any money to those companies. Thus, I would never be interested in such lore, as long as one would pay them for it.
However, should the material be without cost, sure. |
Edited by - Amarel Derakanor on 14 Nov 2008 16:39:43 |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3745 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 16:59:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Amarel_Derakanor
Out of spite, I would prefer not give away any money to those companies. Thus, I would never be interested in such lore, as long as one would pay them for it.
However, should the material be without cost, sure.
-You don't need to buy a product for it to have an impact on scholarly discussions about the setting. For the longest time, I did not own [i]The City of the Spider Queen[/i[ adventure. That did not stop me from keeping in mind the events that take place during the module when discussing Realmslore. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2008 : 21:32:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
-If you mean me? Yepper!
Now Delta, why do you automatically assume my sarcasm is aimed at you? I've noted you lowered you daily allowance of 'Smiley', so I haven't picked on you in awhile.
No, that wasn't aimed at you. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2008 : 00:01:10
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| I put "Somewhat" because after all of the 4e crap involving the Realms, I am quite disillusioned with WotC as a company, and so it is really difficult for me to get excited about anything they publish anymore. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2008 : 00:31:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
-If you mean me? Yepper!
Now Delta, why do you automatically assume my sarcasm is aimed at you? I've noted you lowered you daily allowance of 'Smiley', so I haven't picked on you in awhile.
No, that wasn't aimed at you.
-Hey I am BRIMSTONE here ok. That other name is what I do for "fun".  Because you know how much fun that other forum is.  I told Sage via pm that I will be on my best behavior over here.  So please call me Brimstone.  I am glad I got Banned over there last weekend it allowed me to get my priorities strait, and I don't have to worry about my post's disappearing over here either. As long as I behave.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2008 : 21:05:58
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| Vaguely interested |
BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
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Nerfed2Hell
Senior Scribe
USA
387 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2008 : 21:19:42
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I see some people are not as interested for lack of trust of anything WotC touches these days. I don't see this as a request for them to publish new "old" material --and hence, a chance to screw up the Realms with a slanted spin-- but to just give us access to stuff that's been written and had a lid kept on it for whatever reasons. You know, older stuff written before Realmslore was tainted by 4e crap. They have it, its just sitting there, its not benefitting 4e to hold on to it (except to discourage 3e players from holding on to their older edition games so they'll move on to the new).
Personally, I would be very enthused about existing pre-4e Realmslore being released.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3745 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 16:46:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Nerfed2Hell
I see some people are not as interested for lack of trust of anything WotC touches these days. I don't see this as a request for them to publish new "old" material --and hence, a chance to screw up the Realms with a slanted spin-- but to just give us access to stuff that's been written and had a lid kept on it for whatever reasons. You know, older stuff written before Realmslore was tainted by 4e crap. They have it, its just sitting there, its not benefitting 4e to hold on to it (except to discourage 3e players from holding on to their older edition games so they'll move on to the new).
-You raise a good point, there. Anything pertaining to the "old" Forgotten Realms that is published from here on out will indeed be written with "a 4e spin" on it. I noticed, in retrospect, of course, that a lot of the later 3e-era products were like that (either core D&D specifically, or things pertaining to the Forgotten Realms). |
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Iluvrien
Acolyte
United Kingdom
49 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 17:57:20
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Count me in as being "Very Interested". Wow, I guess that came as a surprise to just about, well, none of any of the people who know me in The Other Place.
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
I noticed, in retrospect, of course, that a lot of the later 3e-era products were like that (either core D&D specifically, or things pertaining to the Forgotten Realms).
This one poked me in the brain too (possibly with a q-tip). Having read the FRCG/FRPG and a fair amount of the lead-in and post-release material for 4E, some of the things that felt slightly off in the latter-stages 3E material now make mind-numbingly obvious sense. I will have to find example refs for this though. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3745 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 18:51:52
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Originally posted by Iluvrien
This one poked me in the brain too (possibly with a q-tip). Having read the FRCG/FRPG and a fair amount of the lead-in and post-release material for 4E, some of the things that felt slightly off in the latter-stages 3E material now make mind-numbingly obvious sense. I will have to find example refs for this though.
-Right now, the events in the Empyrian Odyssey books, in that there is going to be some major upheaval in the planes. The Twilight War trilogy, I don't know, as the 4e stuff could just as well be written with those books in mind as Paul wrote them with the 4e stuff in mind. That'd be a good question to ask him.
-And, of course, there's the Lady Penitent trilogy killing numerous Drow deities, and the couple of pages at the end of AGHotR killing off a bunch of Dwarven deities. |
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Elves of Faerūn
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Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 18:57:26
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-Dont forget the Undermountain book, the three FR adventures that WotC made. IMO I think they were made to show how weak Mystra and her weave really were. Blackstaff maybe? 
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
Edited by - Brimstone on 17 Nov 2008 18:59:02 |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 19:18:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Broken Record, much? <smirk>
-If you mean me? Yepper!
BRIMSTONE
No, Brimstone, I suspect he's talking about me. I've been rather... um... obnoxious in my campaign to see pre-4E lore come to light and the dissolution of now-irrelevant NDAs. I suspect that I'm flogging a dead horse, but as long as that remains strictly a metaphor, I shall continue until my morale regarding 4e improves, which will happen when I see some vague indication of what I want (the lore). I'm working on a few projects of my own, one of which (the Cormyr royal succession *including known 4E lore* and as many royal relatives as are known) is being formatted by Ashe and Wooly (because I don't have a PDF editor and my lame print-to-PDF app only does standard page sizes, meaning a pile of empty pages when printing to a printer). |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
Edited by - Jakk on 17 Nov 2008 19:26:15 |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3745 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 19:23:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
-Dont forget the Undermountain book, the three FR adventures that WotC made. IMO I think they were made to show how weak Mystra and her weave really were. Blackstaff maybe?
BRIMSTONE
-In retrospect, the superadventure trilogy has the opposite effect, I think: Why go through all that trouble, and then kill her off anyway? The only way I can agree is in the sense that they highlighted that Mystra and the Weave were not as "omniscient" as many make her/it out to be, or want her/it to be. But, regardless, things end on a "good note" in Anauroch. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 19:32:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
-Dont forget the Undermountain book, the three FR adventures that WotC made. IMO I think they were made to show how weak Mystra and her weave really were. Blackstaff maybe?
BRIMSTONE
-In retrospect, the superadventure trilogy has the opposite effect, I think: Why go through all that trouble, and then kill her off anyway? The only way I can agree is in the sense that they highlighted that Mystra and the Weave were not as "omniscient" as many make her/it out to be, or want her/it to be. But, regardless, things end on a "good note" in Anauroch.
And the ending of Anauroch is why I was initially optimistic about the 4E Realms. But to have the PCs go through all of that adventure trilogy, only to have Mystra die offstage, just feels like a slap in the face that still stings three months later. And that's all I'm saying, because I'm happily working on my own version of events post-1373. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3245 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 20:25:38
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Or, you can do what I'm going to when my group finishes Anauroch: Go epic level and prevent Mystra's slaying and the Spellplague.  |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 20:44:17
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I like that too... prevention or circumvention, either way works for me.
There you go... either say it never happened, or actually prevent it from happening in-game. Ashe certainly has the more entertaining option, but right now I'm a player in two campaigns, so world-(re)building is the only DM time I get. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 21:14:51
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-Hey Jakk "FLOG THAT DEAD HORSE TO DEATH"!!!!
-It's your games when you play. I dont have the WotC Police making me switch to 4e just yet, so I will continue playing 3e.  I am using this time to collect the 4e product's that I want and then when it is time well I will cross that bridge when I get there.
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 08:42:21
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Of course I'd like to see it. However, given that I directly asked BRJ about this, and he replied that WoTC weren't interested, its highly unlikely that we will see any.
Basically, it'd go against WoTC's idea of non compatibility between 3rd and 4th Edition. Which is a big no-no. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 15:39:44
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| not interested in wizards anymore |
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Interest in Pre-4E Lore From Wizards?
