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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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 Posted - 09 May 2009 : 19:16:22
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Originally posted by The Sage
I love the lore and historical tidbits you've dropped into this material Krash.
Great stuff! 
Seconded. 
I thought I'd have to go through a 'Krash-detox', but you came through.  |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 10 May 2009 : 00:04:40
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Originally posted by The Sage
I love the lore and historical tidbits you've dropped into this material Krash.
Great stuff!
[And, so long as you don't mind, I'll be including it in the "Secrets of the Sages" compilation for Candlekeep]
Thanks Sage. Of course, you've missed the reference that will (in a small way) make you live forever in the FR firmament. Read the write-up of Haratholdokh a bit more carefully.
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2009 : 01:20:42
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Thanks Sage. Of course, you've missed the reference that will (in a small way) make you live forever in the FR firmament. Read the write-up of Haratholdokh a bit more carefully.
The funny thing is, I didn't actually miss it. I just didn't realise it was about me.  I even went so far as to search for previous lore about Operth so that I could compile it into my "music PDF" that features practically each and every reference about music, bards, and other brief bits on the musical trends of the Realms.
Anyways, you've my great and heartfelt thanks, George. That's awesome. And I'm based in Silverymoon. Fantastic!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 May 2009 : 02:24:11
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2009 : 04:18:01
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So we can assume that is Sage's real name, or some derivation there of?
Thats what I would call a VERY 'inside joke'.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 10 May 2009 : 04:23:37
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Originally posted by Markustay
So we can assume that is Sage's real name, or some derivation there of?
Thats what I would call a VERY 'inside joke'.
He used to call himself the Sage of Perth.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 May 2009 : 05:10:10
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Originally posted by Markustay
So we can assume that is Sage's real name, or some derivation there of?
Thats what I would call a VERY 'inside joke'.
What Wooly said.
Basically, when I first arrived at Candlekeep, I was known as the "Sage of Perth" because I was largely the only Australian here. And, it helped also that I had a small hamlet named Perth in my Realms [just south of Cloak Wood, which was the initial setting for a lot of my original fiction for the campaigns I ran back in the late 80's.] Perth was also the temporary home for Rastromo Meradoc, the most famous of my Realms NPCs, and the REAL Sage of Perth -- which I borrowed for my username here. 
Eventually though, I asked Alaundo to drop the "of Perth" part of my name and just kept it as "The Sage." If you search through some of the oldest scrolls here at Candlekeep, you'll see the older name used in quotes and stuff.
[Though, I am kinda surprised Krash remembered this. You've got quite a memory there, my friend. ]
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2009 : 16:26:08
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Heh.
Even Candlekeep has its own 'lore'.
I'm too boring too come up with intersting screenames - I always use Markustay, on every site. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2009 : 17:19:09
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Originally posted by Markustay
Heh.
Even Candlekeep has its own 'lore'.
I'm too boring too come up with intersting screenames - I always use Markustay, on every site.
Well, I personally chose an obscure Spelljammer reference... I picked it because it was obscure, and because the concept behind it is so ridiculous. |
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Knight of the Gate
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2009 : 18:05:10
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I had a Spelljammer NPC gnome who was obsessed with finding and slaying Wooly Rupert- the gnome, 'Baha' was searching for the "Great white Hamster what sunk me old 'Jammer and took me leg to the phlogiston-y...phlogiston". In his great ship Melville, he and his crusty crew braved wildspace time and time again in search of the Devil-Rodent. The PCs mostly dealt with his cabin-boy, Ish, though his 'Chief Harpoonista-ist' Quegquee saved the party's bacon once.
And with all that heavy-handedness, the players never got the reference...*sigh*
Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread! (Sorry to hijack, Sage and George!) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36587 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2009 : 19:52:44
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
I had a Spelljammer NPC gnome who was obsessed with finding and slaying Wooly Rupert- the gnome, 'Baha' was searching for the "Great white Hamster what sunk me old 'Jammer and took me leg to the phlogiston-y...phlogiston". In his great ship Melville, he and his crusty crew braved wildspace time and time again in search of the Devil-Rodent. The PCs mostly dealt with his cabin-boy, Ish, though his 'Chief Harpoonista-ist' Quegquee saved the party's bacon once.
And with all that heavy-handedness, the players never got the reference...*sigh*
Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread! (Sorry to hijack, Sage and George!)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 09:02:36
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Found this scroll floating in the ether:-
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Originally posted by Snowblood
Dear George
As the infinite font of historical lore do you know where I can find information on the history and doings of the city of Myth Glaurach??? I have Mintipers Chapbook, and the Last Mythal series, but do you have any other suggestions?
Cheers
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 13:31:28
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Originally posted by Markustay
Two Shoon Liches is one too many.
Liches are great, but thats just a bit redundant... unless Larloch got ahold of the earlier one and he's one of his minions now (making him just a footnote).
I should really ask Steven what he thinks happened to Shoon VII when the Spellplague hit, now that I think about it - I can't help but feel sorry for that poor Elven Girl trapped inthe Tome of the Unicorn. 
I found another Shoon - I think in PftM - who was "just an adventurer". You might be able to tie him to the family somehow.
Did you also count the infamous Krashoon?  (seriously, I *must* use that name now in my campaign... the next adventure will include a spectral wizard, so maybe he will become Krashoon the Ghost Wizard!) |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 19:20:37
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by Markustay
Two Shoon Liches is one too many.
Liches are great, but thats just a bit redundant... unless Larloch got ahold of the earlier one and he's one of his minions now (making him just a footnote).
I should really ask Steven what he thinks happened to Shoon VII when the Spellplague hit, now that I think about it - I can't help but feel sorry for that poor Elven Girl trapped inthe Tome of the Unicorn.
I found another Shoon - I think in PftM - who was "just an adventurer". You might be able to tie him to the family somehow.
Did you also count the infamous Krashoon? (seriously, I *must* use that name now in my campaign... the next adventure will include a spectral wizard, so maybe he will become Krashoon the Ghost Wizard!)
Krashoon?
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 19:36:02
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I believe he was the father of Jameshoon, the self-styled "eater of worlds" - a rather infamous Planeswalker of some renown.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 10 Jun 2009 : 00:30:42
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Originally posted by The Sage
Found this scroll floating in the ether:-
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Originally posted by Snowblood
Dear George
As the infinite font of historical lore do you know where I can find information on the history and doings of the city of Myth Glaurach??? I have Mintipers Chapbook, and the Last Mythal series, but do you have any other suggestions?
Cheers
Hmm, I gave this question a response on its own thread - well, the short correct one of "nope". But then I've thought that the response is hardly useful. I'll check with Ed re anything he might have floating re Myth Glaurach and ... make some 'stuff' up and see what we can do to give Myth Glaurach a bit more padding.
-- George Krashos
P.S. I realised that Ed sent me an e-mail last year regarding the genesis of the Man-Shoon nomenclature after one of my or Eric's queries. A HD crash put paid to that. He'll still have it so I'll ask for a re-send and try and get the information. I thought the scribes here might be interested in it given that it did mention Manshoon's sister ... 
Manshoon having an old ancestor named Krashoon sounds pretty good to me though! |
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Dart Ambermoon
Learned Scribe
Germany
253 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2009 : 01:33:39
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Manshoon´s sister? 
Now that´s...interesting...to say the least. |
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
592 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2009 : 02:18:49
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| What about his oddball cousin--- Mushshoon? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36587 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2009 : 02:41:44
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Originally posted by Dart Ambermoon
Manshoon´s sister?
Now that´s...interesting...to say the least.
Her name is Womanshoon. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2009 : 18:59:51
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I thought Sistershoon was the one who entered that convent...
You know, the one dedicated to Loviatar, which had Nuns decked-out in Leather.
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Originally posted by Dart Ambermoon
Manshoon´s sister?
Now that´s...interesting...to say the least.
You know, it would be just like Ed to throw us a curve-ball.
Perhaps the 'love' Manshoon felt for the Shadowsil wasn't one of physical passion... perhaps it was more... familial.. in nature. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6559 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2009 : 13:22:46
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I've finally found Ed's missive regarding Manshoon. Here it is in all its (short) glory ...
Manshoon’s family name is “Shoon,” and all members of his family use a single name, derived by adding a prefix to “Shoon” (usually an established family one, such as Brar/Brarrara; Caul/Caulra; Dusk/Duskra; Farl/Farla; Gul/Gularra; Harl/Harla; Kul/Kuldra; Man/Mana; Pel/Pelra; Sarr/Sarrla; Tarl/Tarla; Vorl/Vorlarra [the male form first, female form second]). So, no first name and surname, just a single name. This is a naming convention once very popular in southerly coastal lands (of the coast known, in its more northerly reaches, as the Sword Coast), but now dying out because most of the peoples who used it were conquered or made slaves, and gradually died out or intermarried and in any case adopted the naming conventions of those “over” them (so as to “belong” and escape inferior status).
This of course, tells you where Manshoon’s family originally came from. Don’t forget he had an older brother; as far as we know in print thus far, he killed off all of his kin, but the Knights have been searching for an elusive sister of his (Duskrashoon) AND a niece (Tarlashoon) for years, without success - - because they’ve been hiding from Manshoon, and know his finding them will mean their deaths; they are of course far from Zhentil Keep and don’t use their original names.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2009 : 15:10:05
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Very Cool.
Obviously my guess about the Sahdowsil was incorrect, since Manshoon doesn't appear to have much 'familial' love in him.
Thanks for sharing that, GK. |
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jul 2009 : 00:24:38
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I've finally found Ed's missive regarding Manshoon. Here it is in all its (short) glory ...
-- George Krashos
Thanks George for sharing- so two missing 'shoons' to keep Manshoon busy and out of mischief
Do we know who sired his niece? (brother or sister), am wondering how she survived and whom the other parent is.
Cheers
Damian |
So saith Ed. I've never said he was sane, have I?
Gods, all this writing and he's running a constant fantasy version of Coronation Street in his head, too. .
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
693 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2009 : 08:55:51
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| I DID always wonder whether there was any form of link between Manshoon (or, it now turns out, the Shoons) and the Shoon of Calimshan (those lovely people who set up the Shoon empire). The naming conventions of that clan are different, though ("proper" first name and family name, rather than a single name). Either this might be a covert link, or one of Big Ed's "similar or identical names but completely different things" that he built into his original setting... |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
Germany
293 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 15:33:52
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Ashe Ravenheart, one of the scribes here, did an awesome job of coverting my mantles stuff into a FR format PDF.
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May I ask where one can find this and other PDFs that have been mentioned in this scroll?
Anyway, thank you for all your fantastic work, Mr Krashos! |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 18 Aug 2009 : 05:46:54
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Ashe Ravenheart, one of the scribes here, did an awesome job of coverting my mantles stuff into a FR format PDF.
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I'm interested in those PDFs too, but I'd also like to thank Ashe here for his work in converting to PDF my Cormyr monarchs succession lineage (not the Cormyr lineage, just what I've been able to cobble together from published sources; still hoping we'll get to see the real thing before the Dark Eight have to form a hockey team...). I've asked Alaundo and The Sage if they want to host the file, but I haven't heard back from either of them. Perhaps I should remind them... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2009 : 07:41:44
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I could've sworn I replied back to you with an affirmative, Jakk.
But, anyways, if you'd like to send the file along, I'll see that it's included on the shelves of Candlekeep itself.
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 18 Aug 2009 : 07:58:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
I could've sworn I replied back to you with an affirmative, Jakk.
But, anyways, if you'd like to send the file along, I'll see that it's included on the shelves of Candlekeep itself.
File sent... now returning you to George's scroll... |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 17 Nov 2009 : 04:53:27
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I've finally found Ed's missive regarding Manshoon. Here it is in all its (short) glory ...
Manshoon’s family name is “Shoon,” and all members of his family use a single name, derived by adding a prefix to “Shoon” (usually an established family one, such as Brar/Brarrara; Caul/Caulra; Dusk/Duskra; Farl/Farla; Gul/Gularra; Harl/Harla; Kul/Kuldra; Man/Mana; Pel/Pelra; Sarr/Sarrla; Tarl/Tarla; Vorl/Vorlarra [the male form first, female form second]). So, no first name and surname, just a single name. This is a naming convention once very popular in southerly coastal lands (of the coast known, in its more northerly reaches, as the Sword Coast), but now dying out because most of the peoples who used it were conquered or made slaves, and gradually died out or intermarried and in any case adopted the naming conventions of those “over” them (so as to “belong” and escape inferior status).
This of course, tells you where Manshoon’s family originally came from. Don’t forget he had an older brother; as far as we know in print thus far, he killed off all of his kin, but the Knights have been searching for an elusive sister of his (Duskrashoon) AND a niece (Tarlashoon) for years, without success - - because they’ve been hiding from Manshoon, and know his finding them will mean their deaths; they are of course far from Zhentil Keep and don’t use their original names.
-- George Krashos
I don't know why it took me this long to ask this question, being the obsessive genealogist that I am, but I was wondering if the precise connection between Manshoon and his infamous southern relatives has been mapped out, and if so, is it NDA? (I'll assume an affirmative answer to the latter question, regardless of the answer to the former.) |
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