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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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 Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 05:14:17
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Well said Misery, well said. Home is in the heart, or like our Catholic priest said last Sunday (a young vibrant black man from central Africa - who *really* fought all his life, literally, to survive with his friends and family; a fighter/cleric if you want  - who just got appointed to our community here in Canada),
"We are the living temples of God. We are the Church. The stones and buildings, are just that, stones and buildings."
Soooooo... wherever Ed or Elaine will be, the Realms will be. And right now, Ed has contributed (read: *really* contributed, with his actual words staying as he wrote them) to the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting, and Elaine, well... her six part novella will be hosted in the Pathfinder Journal section of upcoming Pathfinder Adventure Path adventures... so, yeah: you can't remain attached to a shared world or literary piece if the humans originally behind it are no more. It's dead real estate without Ed or Elaine steering it. It's just stones and buildings. It's dead. Dead.... dead.... dead! |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1734 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 15:07:08
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
It's dead real estate without Ed or Elaine steering it. It's just stones and buildings. It's dead. Dead.... dead.... dead!
I'm not sure if I should quote Michael Palin and John Cleese
"I'm not dead yet!"
"Shut up! You'll be stone cold in a minnit!"
or Billy Crystal here...
"Mostly dead means a little alive...."
Perhaps we should go with Mark Twain:
"The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated."
Steven
PS: Remember that there's always different ways to look at any property; I'm sure there's many old fans of G.I. JOE who hated the 80's cartoon series, but it made the property viable again for Mattel. So it might be with the Realms. I loved the Realms from the first moment I saw it; the Realms will never die for me any more than Narnia or Middle Earth will. It will always have a place in my heart, both in the work I did for it and the friends I've made (fictional and in real life), regardless of its current status. But that's just my opinion.
Steven
www.steveneschend.com
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Bluenose
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
134 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 16:31:11
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Soooooo... wherever Ed or Elaine will be, the Realms will be. And right now, Ed has contributed (read: *really* contributed, with his actual words staying as he wrote them) to the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting, and Elaine, well... her six part novella will be hosted in the Pathfinder Journal section of upcoming Pathfinder Adventure Path adventures... so, yeah: you can't remain attached to a shared world or literary piece if the humans originally behind it are no more. It's dead real estate without Ed or Elaine steering it. It's just stones and buildings. It's dead. Dead.... dead.... dead!
Considering that neither Ed nor Elaine are steering Golarion, you could be considered somewhat hypocritical here. |
These, in the day when heaven was falling,
The hour when earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling
And took their wages and are dead.
Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
They stood, and earth's foundations stay;
What God abandoned, these defended,
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 01:49:34
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Whatever. Have fun with 4$ Realmz Extreme! (tm) Bluenose.
Ed created the Realms, so if you're confident enough that his WotC staffer replacements will do a good enough job, enjoy your can of NewCoke (for the next few months anyway). |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 04:02:34
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
the Realms will never die for me any more than Narnia or Middle Earth will. It will always have a place in my heart, both in the work I did for it and the friends I've made (fictional and in real life), regardless of its current status. But that's just my opinion.
the difference being that Middle Earth and Narnia are not shared worlds where the original creator lost control and allowed others to take it various directions. Your direction is great. the New direction has destroyed it |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3768 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 04:07:01
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
the difference being that Middle Earth and Narnia are not shared worlds where the original creator lost control and allowed others to take it various directions. Your direction is great. the New direction has destroyed it
-J.R.R. Tolkien died, and Christopher Tolkien wrote/finished The Children of Hurin. Just sayin'... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 06:08:54
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
the Realms will never die for me any more than Narnia or Middle Earth will. It will always have a place in my heart, both in the work I did for it and the friends I've made (fictional and in real life), regardless of its current status. But that's just my opinion.
the difference being that Middle Earth and Narnia are not shared worlds where the original creator lost control and allowed others to take it various directions. Your direction is great. the New direction has destroyed it
Ed didn't "lose control" of the setting. He voluntarily relinquished it. And at the time that he did so, there was a very good bunch of people there who did some great things with the setting. I think that just about everyone can agree on that, regardless of what they think about 4E. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3254 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 06:47:09
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Just to get back on topic here.
One of the best things I like about Paizo and my subscription to the Pathfinder Adventures is that whole 'free pdf' deal. I think it's great that as soon as the book physically leaves the warehouse, I can download the PDF from the site and get a look at it before it hits my doorstep. This gives me a few days of 'skimming' time where I can go over the basics of the book before diving into it with both feet when it arrives. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 06:49:38
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
the Realms will never die for me any more than Narnia or Middle Earth will. It will always have a place in my heart, both in the work I did for it and the friends I've made (fictional and in real life), regardless of its current status. But that's just my opinion.
the difference being that Middle Earth and Narnia are not shared worlds where the original creator lost control and allowed others to take it various directions. Your direction is great. the New direction has destroyed it
Ed didn't "lose control" of the setting. He voluntarily relinquished it. And at the time that he did so, there was a very good bunch of people there who did some great things with the setting. I think that just about everyone can agree on that, regardless of what they think about 4E.
And Ed has elaborated on this several times in his replies here at Candlekeep. They're recommended reading for any scribe curious about this particular aspect of Ed's relationship with WotC.
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 08:59:02
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Just to get back on topic here.
One of the best things I like about Paizo and my subscription to the Pathfinder Adventures is that whole 'free pdf' deal. I think it's great that as soon as the book physically leaves the warehouse, I can download the PDF from the site and get a look at it before it hits my doorstep. This gives me a few days of 'skimming' time where I can go over the basics of the book before diving into it with both feet when it arrives.
This is actually quite important for me since I have to wait three weeks until the book arrives here. All the content is already available for me to skim through. |
"What mattered our lives now? When our world had been torn from us? Folk wept, or drank, or stood staring out over the land, wondering what new horror each dawn would bring."
Elender Stormfall of Suzail
"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
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