| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
1608 Posts |
|
|
Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
 Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 06:04:44
|
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Indeed. Though some refer to WotC's boards as The Boards That Shall Not Be Named*, or things similar, it's a fact that many of our scribes have come to us from there, and a lot of people here are active on both boards. Most of us regard the WotC forums as just another forum -- better than some forums, worse than others.
<chopped for brevity>
*Despite my wrongful banning, I've never had too many issues with the WotC forums. I've only used the "Shall Not Be Named" nickname once or twice, myself (it's too cumbersome!), but I find it quite amusing.
I like it too... and if you find it cumbersome, try "TBTSNBN"... it's much shorter, easy to type, and cryptic enough to possibly make it worth adding a definition to your signature.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
 |
|
|
Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 18:39:54
|
I won't bother using that term, even though I have been banned AGAIN from there. 
...for saying something completely innocuos, and having it deleted, and then questioning the Wiz-O's poor judgment in the matter.
Obviously, we are not allowed to question their judgment - I didn't realize that they were trained in their job "on high", and are therefore beyond reproach.
I'm fairly certain I fell victim to the 'anti-anti-4e brigade' - a group of posters who have banned together 'to fight evil'. Basically, they report any post they disagree with, and if enough people report a post - even if there is nothing wrong with it - it gets automatically deleted. Intelligence never enters into the equation - its all a matter of numbers, and this... group... has found a way of twisting the system to there advantage.
That is why I have taken down my DeviantART Site, and will probably request ALL my maps be removed from every site they are currently appearing on. I have no wish to contribute to an IP belonging to a company that treats it's fans so unfairly.
Anyhow, I've gone way off-topic, but since I'm losing all interest in FR at this point, I figure people should know why I won't be around as much anymore.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
|
|
|
|
Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3248 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 18:58:40
|
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Anyhow, I've gone way off-topic, but since I'm losing all interest in FR at this point, I figure people should know why I won't be around as much anymore.
Damn, now I gots to go and kill me some WizBoarders. Every time I'm out, they pull me back in!
Don't go, MT, we need the detail and glorious beauty of your maps over the official maps!! |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
Ashe's Character Sheet
Alphabetized Index of Realms NPCs |
|
|
|
Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 21:51:18
|
Markustay is becoming an old dragon... he now wants to be appeased with jewelry, trinkets, and virgins, to continue to give us some maps...  
Jokes apart, you´re maps are superb, Markus, and they are, without doubt, part of the "Electrical Canon", that is talked in this scroll... don´t give up to share them with the Realms fans... there a lot of them, all around the Limbo..err.. the net. |
Dwarf, DM, husband, and proud of this! :P
twitter: @yuripeixoto
Facebook: yuri.peixoto |
|
|
|
Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 22:32:56
|
Markustay: I'm with Ashe and Chosen of Moradin. Just because Wizbro has lost interest in the Realms, doesn't mean you should. As Chosen has said, your maps are brilliant, and they are a needed resource if the "real" Realms are to survive in any recognizable form.
Please stick with us. The way I see it, every longtime Realms gamer who quits playing because of 4E is a tiny victory for Wizbro, the way their 4E mission statement was worded.
Edit: In fact, it was seeing the FRCS 4E that got me involved on these boards in the first place, and seeing the resources available at Candlekeep thanks in large part to the efforts of people like yourself is part of what has convinced me that the Realms have a future without Wizbro's participation. We don't need "canon" if we have a group of dedicated fans of the "real" Realms who stick to what we know and love. I know some posters in this scroll will disagree with my assessment, but from what I've seen, most of the scribes at Candlekeep prefer the pre-Sellplague Realms, and if we don't show some solidarity behind that opinion, we may as well all start playing Eberron or go back to Greyhawk... or, of course, stop gaming altogether. I, for one, am not prepared to do any of those things. 
Edit 2: Markustay: I just read your response to "Gully Dwarves in Faerun?" You posted that thirteen minutes before your post here, and in that earlier post you showed real enthusiasm for your projects. Can it all change so completely in thirteen minutes? We know the "Classic Realms" are dead as far as Wizbro is concerned, but a fan community as large as the group of discontented Realms fans must be can surely keep the setting alive for our own purposes. We do what we do (your maps, my timeline projects, fan fiction, etc) out of a love for what we know; the fact that Wizbro has chosen to ignore us in the interests of a quick buck should neither discourage nor surprise us, given the nature of the corporate beast.
Remember: as far as Wizbro is concerned, your maps are contributing nothing to the IP because Wizbro is no longer supporting pre-4E products. The people who value your work are yourself and the rest of the "classic Realms" community, myself included. The people who have vilified you to Wizbro are also the ones who aren't going to give a fig about your work, because it "isn't canon" any more. If you quit, the only winners are Wizbro and the 4E community, and the only losers are us at Candlekeep and yourself for not finishing what you've described in the past as a "labor of love"... anyway, I've said enough. If this doesn't change your mind, nothing will.
Fight the power! Classic Realms for all! |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
Edited by - Jakk on 07 Oct 2008 23:11:56 |
|
|
|
Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 00:12:27
|
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Markustay is becoming an old dragon... he now wants to be appeased with jewelry, trinkets, and virgins, to continue to give us some maps...
LOL...
That alone is worth putting up with their attitude.
(All the commentary - not the jewelry, trinkets, and virgins... although I wouldn't mind a few of each).
Anyhow, I am enthusiastic about the Realms that were, but I really feel I was badly mistreated this time out. Whereas the last time they twisted my words around so it appearded I was using 'hate talk', this time I simply made a comment about 'official updates' between the FRCG and FRPG, saying that two works released so close together with disparate information should not be consideed 'updates', but rather 'errata' .
Thats all I said, and a mod deleted it. 
Then I made an off-hand comment about the 'thought police' deleting my post, and I was banned! I was banned, because the WizO took something personally, and abused her power. The fact that I was the only person singled out in a thread full of off-topic discussion just proves that I was specifically targeted for some reason. My comment was not only non-offensive, but was more on-topic then most of the other posts which were not deleted.
I was banned not because of the original harmless comment, but because I DARED to question the authority of a Wiz-O to delete the comment.
When I was banned the first time not so long ago, I really felt I had it coming, because I was really pushing some buttons over there, but this time I was contributing in a positive manner and was still banned!
I don't mind being punished when I have it coming, but this time I didn't, and obviously that particular Mod was just in a foul mood and took it out on me.
As you guys say, I feel like I'm lashing out at the community, and not the people who have angered me. Since it is probably WotC's fondest hope that I just crawl under a rock and disappear, perhaps it is stupid of me to allow them to railroad me in that direction.
Edit: sorry mods, for all the off-topic discussion here... please don't ban me.
As for the '13 minute interval' mentioned by Jakk above - during that time I was at Enworld, and a pro-4e poster managed to get under my skin by calling the pro-3e crowd "a bunch of old Asshats", and went on to say we should just go away quietly and let the "fresh blood" have their turn.
That kind of attitude is what is contributing to this silly 'edition war', and it really got me steaming. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
|
Edited by - Markustay on 08 Oct 2008 00:20:01 |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
|
|
Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 08:55:13
|
To Markustay: Okay, I can understand how you got from A to B in thirteen minutes now. I'd be doing the same thing.  On that note, stick around here where we (at least try to) appreciate differences of opinion, and read Garen Thal's Monday Musing Masterpieces to make 4th make more sense.
To those who are playing in the new Realms: be warned in advance that I love puns. I'm not slamming the new edition; I'm over that and I can be just as conciliatory to fans of the new as they can be to me and my position. Anyway, I had an idea for a group to replace the (apparently defunct?) Harpers in 4E Faerun, founded by an adventurer with a speech impediment:
Realmthforth!
Edit: Or, alternately: Forth Ten From Anchorome!
Anyway, to get this thread back on topic: I've been downloading everything Realmslore-related I can find from wizards.com, and the stuff I have to download as web pages I've been converting to PDF with a neat little freeware app I found. I currently have 85.4MB of PDFs covering the pre-Spellplague Realms, and I'm sure I'm missing older stuff; anything that predates the earliest archives at wizards.com is not in my possession, and I'd love to get my greedy digital fingers on it, if there is any such material; the archives go back to 2000 and the inception of 3E. Thanks to scribe Kyrene (I hope I remembered her screen name correctly), I have the complete "Wyrms of the North" archive in PDF format; everything else may or may not be complete, but I have everything I could find and download. I'm not sure how my ISP would feel about an upload to Candlekeep's archives, but it's possible that the Sage or Alaundo already have all of this information in their own archives; whether or not Wizards would allow Candlekeep to host it is another matter. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
Edited by - Jakk on 08 Oct 2008 08:58:51 |
|
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36891 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 14:10:56
|
Well, speaking of lost files on the WotC site... According to the archives here on Candlekeep, around 30 January 2000 four articles were uploaded to the WotC site. At that time, I found and grabbed one of them; I didn't know about the others. When I found references to the others, I went looking for them -- because I knew the Roll of Years was still on the WotC site, despite the total absence of links to it. I found two of the three missing files, and then, after trying off and on for a couple of years, Tauster helped me get the last one.
So here are four article/files that are on the WotC site, that are not linked to anywhere other than this forum. Note that all of these are links directly to the files, so you can right-click and save them directly, or click on them and let the appropriate program open to show the article. 
Moonsea Fauna -- An article about the various aquatic critters inhabiting the Moonsea.
Shadow Storm -- Shadow Storm is a nasty 5th level spell from 2E.
The Roll of Years -- This is the original Roll of Years download, which has since been copied to a number of different locations. We have it hosted on this site, in various formats, and it's also available in the Forgotten Realms Calendar Tool.
The Scrolls and the Dwarves/ The Denial of Mystryl -- A very brief tale; it offers a reason for while pre-3E dwarves could not use arcane magic. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen! |
Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 08 Oct 2008 14:12:07 |
|
|
|
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 14:33:19
|
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
Please stick with us. The way I see it, every longtime Realms gamer who quits playing because of 4E is a tiny victory for Wizbro, the way their 4E mission statement was worded.
Are you sure? A person who doesn't play 4E probably won't buy WotC's new products. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
|
|
|
KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 16:55:01
|
| Well, I've still been picking up Star Wars Saga RPG products . . . |
|
|
|
Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3248 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 17:09:08
|
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Well, I've still been picking up Star Wars Saga RPG products . . .
Same here! Ironically, the 4E/Saga rules works well for Star Wars. My complaint is that 4E doesn't have the feel of D&D, which all the other editions had. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
Ashe's Character Sheet
Alphabetized Index of Realms NPCs |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 17:11:27
|
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Well, I've still been picking up Star Wars Saga RPG products . . .
As have I. In fact, they've been among my most worthwhile WotC purchases in the last year or so. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
|
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36891 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 18:49:16
|
Heh, most of my gaming money (what little there is) is now going towards Warmachine stuff. I just realized I have got to get Commander Adept Sebastion Nemo -- what an awesome warcaster!
Too bad the setting books for Iron Kingdoms -- at least the main one -- are so dang pricy.  |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen! |
|
|
|
Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 22:31:57
|
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
<edited for brevity>...
So here are four article/files that are on the WotC site, that are not linked to anywhere other than this forum. Note that all of these are links directly to the files, so you can right-click and save them directly, or click on them and let the appropriate program open to show the article.
Moonsea Fauna -- An article about the various aquatic critters inhabiting the Moonsea.
Shadow Storm -- Shadow Storm is a nasty 5th level spell from 2E.
The Roll of Years -- This is the original Roll of Years download, which has since been copied to a number of different locations. We have it hosted on this site, in various formats, and it's also available in the Forgotten Realms Calendar Tool.
The Scrolls and the Dwarves/ The Denial of Mystryl -- A very brief tale; it offers a reason for while pre-3E dwarves could not use arcane magic.
Awesome! Thanks, Wooly! So... did you find these files the hard way? |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
|
|
|
Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 22:48:42
|
Yes - thanks Wooly; I found the one about the Dwarves awhile ago while researching the Mines of Tethyamar, but the rest I did not have.
Only 85˝ MB, Jakk? Poor guy... my collection of D&D/D20 material fills 18.4 GB... not including all the homebrew material I keep in a seperate folder.
Or art, for that matter....
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Too bad the setting books for Iron Kingdoms -- at least the main one -- are so dang pricy.
And worth EVERY PENNY, I assure you.
Trust me - if you have any interest in the 'Steampunk' genre, then this is for you (even though there is no real Steamtech anywhere in the setting, it does kinda fall into that categorty because of all the machinery).
I have a Cryx Army - Here's my Warwitch Deneghra. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
|
Edited by - Markustay on 08 Oct 2008 22:49:13 |
|
|
|
Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 22:51:43
|
MT, it is my sincere hope that you do not give up on the pre-Spellplague Realms and all of us here at the 'Keep, or take you maps down from here. We like you and the work you do. I know how you feel (not about being banned twice; I haven't PO'd the right people on the WotC boards for that); I have finally decided to boycott everything 4e out of protest for what they have done to the Realms. This includes novels, even though I have been wishy-washy on that point in the past. I will probably just start collecting everything 3.x Realms that I don't have (Power of Faerun and the 4 super adventures) and then start collecting the 1e and 2e products as I am able. Also I have decided to start collecting what I can of Monte Cook's 3.5 material (because he is a damn good designer) and pre-4e Realms novels and then non-Realms novels by Realms authors I like to support them without supporting the changes.
Anyway, I hope you don't go. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
|
|
|
|
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2008 : 23:23:11
|
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Are you sure? A person who doesn't play 4E probably won't buy WotC's new products.
Just to clarify, I meant to say that a decision not to buy 4E products would result in lost revenue for WotC, even if the consumer buys, say Star Wars products (after all, they would have made more money if the consumer purchased both). My point being, I don't see how losing a potential consumers of the 4E products can be taken as a "victory" for WotC.
I hope that's clear now? |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 08 Oct 2008 23:25:00 |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 00:40:18
|
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Too bad the setting books for Iron Kingdoms -- at least the main one -- are so dang pricy.
And worth EVERY PENNY, I assure you.
Trust me - if you have any interest in the 'Steampunk' genre, then this is for you (even though there is no real Steamtech anywhere in the setting, it does kinda fall into that categorty because of all the machinery).
Indeed. I just want to echo Markus's remarks here. I purchased the IK books when they were initially released. And while they were indeed costly, they were worth the gold pieces. Especially if you are a "fantasy-mech" fan like myself.
Also, the level of detail and attention to the "minutiae" of the IK setting featured in the books was definitely such a rare occurence for a third-party 3e campaign setting. Few others actually managed to achieve so much. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
|
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36891 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 00:58:56
|
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
<edited for brevity>...
So here are four article/files that are on the WotC site, that are not linked to anywhere other than this forum. Note that all of these are links directly to the files, so you can right-click and save them directly, or click on them and let the appropriate program open to show the article.
Moonsea Fauna -- An article about the various aquatic critters inhabiting the Moonsea.
Shadow Storm -- Shadow Storm is a nasty 5th level spell from 2E.
The Roll of Years -- This is the original Roll of Years download, which has since been copied to a number of different locations. We have it hosted on this site, in various formats, and it's also available in the Forgotten Realms Calendar Tool.
The Scrolls and the Dwarves/ The Denial of Mystryl -- A very brief tale; it offers a reason for while pre-3E dwarves could not use arcane magic.
Awesome! Thanks, Wooly! So... did you find these files the hard way?
The Roll of Years I found an old link to, on another website (this was several years ago, I just kept the URL handy). The Shadow Storm spell and the Moonsea Fauna one I found simply by playing with various URLs. I had to have help on the dwarven one; I never would have guessed that file name. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen! |
|
|
|
Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36891 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 01:01:17
|
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Too bad the setting books for Iron Kingdoms -- at least the main one -- are so dang pricy.
And worth EVERY PENNY, I assure you.
Trust me - if you have any interest in the 'Steampunk' genre, then this is for you (even though there is no real Steamtech anywhere in the setting, it does kinda fall into that categorty because of all the machinery).
I have a Cryx Army - Here's my Warwitch Deneghra.
Well, until I get a good job (better than what I'm prolly going to have to take, just to have income), my pennies will be quite limited.
The Warwitch mini looks pretty good... I have no skill at painting minis, myself, and not enough patience or time to acquire that skill. I've a friend that loves painting minis and is quite good at it. He's also unemployed, so his standing offer is that we buy him minis, and he paints ours. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
I am the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen! |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
The Electrical Canon
