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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 12:59:42
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Really?. That's interesting. I felt IWD was better than IWD2. There was nothing new and exciting with the second game, only the 3e rules. I felt IWD was the far better game. Besides when I first played IWD I was still making the transition to 3e rules.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 13:02:58
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As for the Eye of the Beholder, I think it would make an interesting basis for a film. Even with the absence of action (which a lot of movies use unnecessarily these days), it might be nice as a break from the traditional action movie. Instead relying on good solid storytelling.
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Mythander
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 17:49:17
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
Although, I think Crown of Fire would be a difficult story to portray in film format without leaving the regular feel of the Realms behind. Perhaps starting with Spellfire would be more appropriate.
Sellfirewould be a great movie. The book explains a lot to someone not familiar with the realms. Also, you get to meet some big movers and shakers. |
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AraznBlair
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 20:17:34
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The TOT is not a good choice to start with unless you focus on one aspect of that period. Such as the Midnight, Cyric, Adon and Kelemvar traveling, searching for the Tablets of Fate. If you focus more on the event overall it would be to confusing for the uninitiated. The Gods went to different places as Avatars and trying to create characters for all of them and those around them would be a bit much.
If they were to use a book as its guideline I would like to see Cormyr done. Though the constant jumping back and forth in time (the history) would be a bit confusing I think it could be done. If they made from Vangerdahast's point of view about the previous Royal Magicians it would be interesting.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 21:19:20
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| Cormyr would indeed be a good choice. And it wouldn't need to be jumping back and forth; however, that would be possible. I'd have to read it again to be sure. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 21:21:14
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Since you brought up the idea of a history-spanning novel, though, what about Evermeet?  |
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Mythander
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 21:23:07
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Originally posted by AraznBlair
If they were to use a book as its guideline I would like to see Cormyr done. Though the constant jumping back and forth in time (the history) would be a bit confusing I think it could be done. If they made from Vangerdahast's point of view about the previous Royal Magicians it would be interesting.
That would be quite the movie! Especially if you used all three books and made a trilogy.
The only problem I see with that would be the fact that those books are very localized. For an introductory film to the Realms, I feel it better to give a taste of many different places. It would be great to use Once Around The Realms....... if the story was better.
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AraznBlair
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2003 : 23:26:31
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Yes it is localized but I think that if you did a movie on the Realms on a whole you might be overwhelming the non FR public. Those that have no idea what Toril is. Before they did the Hobit cartoon movie they didn't go into depth of Middle Earth and in the LOTR the did a intro into Middle Earth to inform the average watcher. The same could be done with a FR movie.
I think that you would want to start with a local area that has referances to a greater world then just thow Toril out there. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 02:23:11
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The Cormyr series...a wonderful choice indeed. I wonder why nobody had mentioned this earlier. This is indeed a great and exciting tale worthy of film treatment. And when you combine this with some of the fan-choice actors for several key roles in Mournblade's scroll, it sounds even more interesting.
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 02:26:40
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I really don't agree with Evermeet though. It is solely an elven tale, and only introduces the history of one society of the Realms. The first Realms-film tale would hopefully include something that addresses a lot about the Realms as a whole. Much like the afore mentioned novel Spellfire. Although would we want to see the two other books in the 'Shandril's Saga' also receive the same treatment, or does the novel Spellfire just serve as a convenient jumping off point for films set in the Realms.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 03:34:31
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Well if I had my choice of any, I would like to see the HAlfling's Gem done as a movie. I think it spans enough climes that we would not have to have it all ICE and SNOW.
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 06:04:02
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The Halfling's Gem. An excellent choice Mournblade. Although I would like to see the entire 'Icewind Dale Trilogy' made into a film, the Halfling's Gem has all the components, twists and turns that they entire trilogy has, but all in the one novel. The range of emotions and the natures of the characters make them seem so real and personable. Their opinions and judgements, their conflicts, and their conclusions are can really make the audience feel for these characters.
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 06:05:38
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I do have another thought about a possible introduction storyline...the Netheril Trilogy. It could form the basis to eventually move into the Return of the Archwizards story.
Plus it details the early human periods of the Realms.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 11:27:35
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| I wasn't really suggesting Evermeet for the first movie. Just one of them. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 11:40:00
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| Oh, and if you did The Halfling's Gem, you'd have to do the first two books first. And that would be a problem. The Crystal Shard would be easy, but to the general public, how would you be able to explain Streams of Silver as anything other than a rehash of The Hobbit? Certainly there's more to it than that, but you have to realize that's how it's going to look. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 13:33:50
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That's a good point about Streams of Silver and The Hobbit. The general themes are practically identical. Perhaps this would be one of those cases where directors and producers add their own ideas and elements to the story in order to make it more different. Certainly there were aspects of the 'LotR' films that Peter Jackson changed that deviates from Tolkien's original masterpiece.
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The Sage
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 14:53:31
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I think it would better if they'd do and compltely new story. Just like in BG series. But i'd like it to be canon info.
I think the script would be written by Greenwood, Salvatore, Cunninghan or an other famous writer of the Realms.
Even if i'd like a new story, it would be better to keep some references to the novels. For example someone in a tavern that tells rumors about Dark Elf in the North that lives with humans and dwarves (i bet you don't know who i'm refering to!  ) |
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Mythander
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 15:35:59
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Originally posted by zemd
I think it would better if they'd do and compltely new story. Just like in BG series. But i'd like it to be canon info.
I think the script would be written by Greenwood, Salvatore, Cunninghan or an other famous writer of the Realms.
Even if i'd like a new story, it would be better to keep some references to the novels. For example someone in a tavern that tells rumors about Dark Elf in the North that lives with humans and dwarves (i bet you don't know who i'm refering to! )
As much as I would like to see one of the before mentioned Tomes brought to life. I have to agree with you. For a first look into the realms it would be best if the story was written with a first impression in mind. |
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The Sage
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warduke
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 22:42:32
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| I'll have to think awhile about an original topic for a FR film. For now however my vote would be for the Ice Wind Dale trilogy. If I remember correctly these were all #1 best sellers, so I think there would be enough of an audience that would spread the word that dispite its similarity to LOTR's it is a unique tale in itself. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 23:13:48
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I think with the American public's feelings on what a fantasy movie should be (since lets face it, all movies get corrupted by making it more agreeable to the American Groundlings that understand very little. Don't beleive me? MAD MAX was redubbed in AMERICAN english... Oh and LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN had an EXTRA character- Tom Sawyer) I think Cormyr would be IDeal. Maybe the Cormyr trilogy would work well. After all you could get Sean Connery, Drew Barrymore, Good military conflict, and a general feeling of middleages which groundlings might be able to put into their narrow schema.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 : 00:20:06
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And don't forget, Mournblade, that it also has Dorian Grey (though admittedly fewer people know about that character) and takes place in New York City. (Which a suprising amount of people think is the capitol of the United States. A professor of mine from South America was surprised to find otherwise. "I'll be working in Washington, DC? What's that?")
And Cormyr . . . hmm, hmm . . . . Yes, I think that would work. Dragons, beasts, and blood, swords and sorcery, mayhem and magic. All the stuff the average American likes. Especially the blood and swords, and together if possible. Repeatedly.
(Behold -- the Roman Circus is not obselete! It's just been replaced . . . .  )
. . . And, fortunately, it also has enough plot to interest those of us with a more intellectual bent (say, with an Int score higher than a troll's?). |
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 : 02:06:01
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I am glad you added that last part Bookwyrm. The first part of your post really didn't make much distinction between the average movie fan and those of us who enjoy reading and watching fantasy for the intellectual stimulation that it provides.
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 : 02:07:37
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I know that for myself a good novel or film has to subscribe more to a solid story, a healthly plot, and also provide a great deal of intellectual stimulation than to the average slash-and-gore (repeatedly as you say) technqiues employed to provide entertainment that is far too prevailant in today's film-novel cultures.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 : 06:20:19
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
And don't forget, Mournblade, that it also has Dorian Grey (though admittedly fewer people know about that character) and takes place in New York City. (Which a suprising amount of people think is the capitol of the United States. A professor of mine from South America was surprised to find otherwise. "I'll be working in Washington, DC? What's that?")
And Cormyr . . . hmm, hmm . . . . Yes, I think that would work. Dragons, beasts, and blood, swords and sorcery, mayhem and magic. All the stuff the average American likes. Especially the blood and swords, and together if possible. Repeatedly.
(Behold -- the Roman Circus is not obselete! It's just been replaced . . . . )
. . . And, fortunately, it also has enough plot to interest those of us with a more intellectual bent (say, with an Int score higher than a troll's?).
Bookwyrm League of Extraordinary Gentlemen didn't take place in New YOrk. Seriously, it didn't. It was London, Venice, and Paris. Dorian Grey was not added for Americans. Most Americans have no Idea about the Portrait of Dorian Grey. I actually liked that addition. I did not mind Tom Sawyer either really, they made him work. Overall I thought the League was one of the best movies of the summer.
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The Sage
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 : 07:38:27
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League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 : 07:44:32
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It is a fantasy/steampunk/adventure movie due out in cinemas here soon, but already playing in some North Hemisphere countries.
From the general reviews it is suposed to be quite a tale. But I never listen to reviews instead relying on my own determination after viewing the movie to make a specific judgement on a particular film.
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zemd
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Posted - 16 Jul 2003 : 07:55:54
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Alright so we'll have in France in 3 month or maybe more. For example i watched American Party when i was in San Francisco last August. And it has just been released in cinemas this last Wednesday  |
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