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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 01:12:52
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Well met
This is a Book Club thread for Mistshore (Book 2 of Ed Greenwood Presents Waterdeep), by Jaleigh Johnson. Please discuss chapters 15 - 21 and the epilogue herein.
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 24 Sep 2008 : 18:38:14
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Oh my god. This novel was absolutely amazing. Ed Greenwood put it best in the introduction about this story of Waterdeep: "A darned good one"
I hope that Icelin and Ruen's future adventures outside of Waterdeep will be novelized. If Sull and Bellaril can be crammed in that story as well, those are supporting characters I'd like to see again as well.
Good work Jaleigh Johnson - definately a great chance of becoming a fizture in FR |
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
139 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 05:13:32
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Oh my god. This novel was absolutely amazing. Ed Greenwood put it best in the introduction about this story of Waterdeep: "A darned good one"
I hope that Icelin and Ruen's future adventures outside of Waterdeep will be novelized. If Sull and Bellaril can be crammed in that story as well, those are supporting characters I'd like to see again as well.
Good work Jaleigh Johnson - definately a great chance of becoming a fizture in FR
Thank you, Alisttair, for posting your comments, and I'm so glad you enjoyed the book. If given the chance, I would love to revisit Icelin and Ruen and the rest. Their continuing adventures have been banging around in my head since I finished Mistshore.  |
http://www.jaleighjohnson.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/jaleigh_johnson |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2008 : 23:38:32
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Loved it, and it earned a spot on my shelf for books to be re-read, along with Lotr, DL chronicles, Salvatore, de Bie and Ed.
Many, many thanks for the veneration of Mystra in the closing. I enjoyed when thewords "In Mystra's memory" was echoed by the men of the watch in the boats.
I hope you get a chance to tell more of Icelin Ruen and Sully's tales as they all look for answers, be it how to cure Icelin or Sully's search for spices and recipes. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 01 Oct 2008 : 18:22:09
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Loved it, and it earned a spot on my shelf for books to be re-read, along with Lotr, DL chronicles, Salvatore, de Bie and Ed.
Many, many thanks for the veneration of Mystra in the closing. I enjoyed when thewords "In Mystra's memory" was echoed by the men of the watch in the boats.
I hope you get a chance to tell more of Icelin Ruen and Sully's tales as they all look for answers, be it how to cure Icelin or Sully's search for spices and recipes.
That's quite a shelf, I'm honored to be on it.  I'm very glad you liked the book, Red Walker, and thanks so much for posting your thoughts along the way. |
http://www.jaleighjohnson.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/jaleigh_johnson |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2008 : 02:13:18
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Originally posted by Jaleigh J.
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Loved it, and it earned a spot on my shelf for books to be re-read, along with Lotr, DL chronicles, Salvatore, de Bie and Ed.
Many, many thanks for the veneration of Mystra in the closing. I enjoyed when thewords "In Mystra's memory" was echoed by the men of the watch in the boats.
I hope you get a chance to tell more of Icelin Ruen and Sully's tales as they all look for answers, be it how to cure Icelin or Sully's search for spices and recipes.
That's quite a shelf, I'm honored to be on it. I'm very glad you liked the book, Red Walker, and thanks so much for posting your thoughts along the way.
Thank You and we can't wait to see what you have for us next! |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 02 Nov 2008 : 16:29:03
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As I wrote sooner, I've finished it yesterday and really loved the story.
Thanks again to Jaleigh.
I really want to read the sequel to be released !
So, is it being writen Jaleigh ? (not sure my sentence is correct !)
Using spoiler (as beige as color of font) or by PM, could someone remind me the capabilities of Ruen's ring ? I feel I did not really understand the whole panel of using of it !
That's what I understood : (select to make the sentence come out) it increases a fact that Ruen, or the wearer, already feels ? I must have misunderstood something ! 
Last one (ATM !) : What is exactly the Ruen's touching capability ? (select to make the sentence come out)When he touches someone, he knows right away when the person will die. Is that all and correct ?
Once again, thanks a lot to Jaleigh
And thanks to the scribes who will answer and help me. |
"Today is a good day to smile",
Fillow Big'n'Book Mahlemiut 'Lead-dog', Son of Garl, Wanderer of the Masked Leaf and Namer of Oghma.
- Fight in the arena and have fun ! : La brute.com
- Feel free to take part to these projects : Post-Spellplague bibliography ; 4E index project ; Taverns and inns of the Realms ; Dogs of the Realms ; Descriptions of places in the novels ; forums, RPG, FR Abbreviations and Acronyms
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I am a French FR fan, so please forgive my lapses in English language and do not hesitate to correct me. Thanks a lot. |
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
139 Posts |
Posted - 03 Nov 2008 : 03:01:56
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Originally posted by Fillow
As I wrote sooner, I've finished it yesterday and really loved the story.
Thanks again to Jaleigh.
I really want to read the sequel to be released !
So, is it being writen Jaleigh ? (not sure my sentence is correct !)
There's nothing in the works right now, but I'd love to write a sequel, believe me. Ultimately, though, that's up to Wizards to decide.
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Using spoiler (as beige as color of font) or by PM, could someone remind me the capabilities of Ruen's ring ? I feel I did not really understand the whole panel of using of it !
That's what I understood : (select to make the sentence come out) it increases a fact that Ruen, or the wearer, already feels ? I must have misunderstood something !
Last one (ATM !) : What is exactly the Ruen's touching capability ? (select to make the sentence come out)When he touches someone, he knows right away when the person will die. Is that all and correct ?
Once again, thanks a lot to Jaleigh
And thanks to the scribes who will answer and help me.
I'm just going to use Spoiler space for anyone who doesn't want to see these answers.
As for Ruen's ring, in the novel it increased the strength of the wearer, so that Ruen was able to fight without injury, and Icelin's magic was magnified, things like that. I have other ideas of things the ring does, but I'd prefer to keep those to myself, in case that sequel does ever manifest.
When Ruen touches someone, yes he's able to get a general impression of how close that person is to death, but it isn't an exact science by any means, and even Ruen doesn't fully understand his "gift" as it's not something he has ever wanted to test extensively. So you could say his exact capabilities are unknown.
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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danbuter
Seeker
USA
74 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 00:34:09
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Just finished this book. It's very good! I really liked the plot, though I felt bad for the big, dumb bad guy that Ruen killed. That pair was kinda like the Steinbeck crew.
Also, since Jaleigh is answering questions, did you make up the Mistshore stuff yourself, or did you get notes from Ed? Just curious. I really liked it. The ghost theater was really cool. |
Nothing beats the gray box!
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danbuter
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 13:24:38
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| One suggestion, if you do get to publish more books with Icelin, Ruen, and Sull; please don't let them find a miracle magic cure for their spellscars. Have them actually have to deal with the issue in a regular way. I like that they are tragic heroes, and NOT a superhero like many FR characters. |
Nothing beats the gray box!
Dan |
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
139 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2009 : 03:01:46
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Originally posted by danbuter
Just finished this book. It's very good! I really liked the plot, though I felt bad for the big, dumb bad guy that Ruen killed. That pair was kinda like the Steinbeck crew.
Also, since Jaleigh is answering questions, did you make up the Mistshore stuff yourself, or did you get notes from Ed? Just curious. I really liked it. The ghost theater was really cool.
First off, many thanks, I'm happy you liked the book, danbuter. The description of Mistshore in the FR campaign guide was pretty much what I had to go on when designing the place. Ed and my editor, Susan Morris, filled in other details, but basically all I knew was Mistshore was out in the harbor and that it was many shipwrecks lashed together to form a rough neighborhood. Specific places like the ghost theater, the Cradle, Ferryman's Waltz and the Dusk and Dawn are all my contributions. The scenes in the ghost theater were some of my favorites to write.
As for Icelin and Ruen's spellscars...if I ever get the chance to continue writing their journey, I've got the ending more or less in mind, and have had since I finished Mistshore. I needed to know what happened to them in my own head even if it never got to the page. All I can tell you is that for me it's the right ending, it feels right, and it feels true to the characters. That's a complete non-answer, I know, but to elaborate would give away something I'm not prepared to give away, especially if a sequel ever does happen. But in the meantime, the door is wide open as to their fates, so you can write your own ending in your head. |
http://www.jaleighjohnson.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/jaleigh_johnson |
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Dart Ambermoon
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 07:17:36
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IŽll readily admit that I was a very sceptic reader of this novel quite from the beginning, simply for the fact that I have developed such a strong bias against spellscars and anything 4E that IŽm hardly able to really start a new FR novel without waiting for "the inevitable" that will turn me off it, at least to a degree.
But this novel won me around quite quickly. YouŽve managed to tap into the history of the FR (another thank you here for the veneration of Mystra), while still showcasing many new and wondrous things that always felt very realmsian and as if they would really fit brilliantly with Waterdeep. And the characters certainly were enriched by their spellscars, but not defined by them, but simply by real character traits, which made them very believeable and easy to relate to.
A good plot, compelling characters and excellent pacing of the story. Now this was a really fun novel and I, too, would certainly be very interested in a sequel.
Ah...and an extra +1 for that woderful female dwarf.Brilliant |
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 : 05:53:46
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Originally posted by Dart Ambermoon
IŽll readily admit that I was a very sceptic reader of this novel quite from the beginning, simply for the fact that I have developed such a strong bias against spellscars and anything 4E that IŽm hardly able to really start a new FR novel without waiting for "the inevitable" that will turn me off it, at least to a degree.
But this novel won me around quite quickly. YouŽve managed to tap into the history of the FR (another thank you here for the veneration of Mystra), while still showcasing many new and wondrous things that always felt very realmsian and as if they would really fit brilliantly with Waterdeep. And the characters certainly were enriched by their spellscars, but not defined by them, but simply by real character traits, which made them very believeable and easy to relate to.
A good plot, compelling characters and excellent pacing of the story. Now this was a really fun novel and I, too, would certainly be very interested in a sequel.
Ah...and an extra +1 for that woderful female dwarf.Brilliant
That's high praise indeed, Dart, and I thank you kindly for it. I appreciate you giving the novel a chance despite your misgivings and I'm happy that you weren't disappointed.
It's funny, when I wrote the line venerating Mystra, I remember thinking it seemed right to end the chapter and the major action of the book honoring her, especially since most of the book is taken up with magic in one form or another, and Mystra is present in the story conspicuously by her absence. But I never expected the line to stand out with so many of you. I'm glad that it did.
And all this talk about a sequel has got the characters in my head again, now they won't stay quiet. |
http://www.jaleighjohnson.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/jaleigh_johnson |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2009 : 12:50:27
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I am currently reading Mistshore. Almost done with it, great book. 
I noticed on page 271 that you mention in Aldrens Altar what happened to Deneir.  Is it true.  I guess it is if it is in a Forgotten Realms Novel. Did Wizards tell you to put that in or did you put it in after somebody told you about it. Or was it just artistic lisensce(sp).
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
1608 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2009 : 18:12:15
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I do not want to take Jaleigh's place but, to prevent you from waiting for the official answer, I could say that, indeed,
[SPOILER, select the following lines to enlight them]
So, indeed, the quoted gods in page 271 disappeared during the Spellplague.
As an example, if you have a look at the FRCG 4, you will see that Deneir is not part of the FR pantheon anymore and that Cadderly's Spirit Soaring, the temple to Deneir is now a haunted ruin.
About the potential poetic license , I think that these gods deaths were in the early Wizards specifications ; before the 4th edition release, when it was only a project.
Hoping that it answers some pieces of your question... |
"Today is a good day to smile",
Fillow Big'n'Book Mahlemiut 'Lead-dog', Son of Garl, Wanderer of the Masked Leaf and Namer of Oghma.
- Fight in the arena and have fun ! : La brute.com
- Feel free to take part to these projects : Post-Spellplague bibliography ; 4E index project ; Taverns and inns of the Realms ; Dogs of the Realms ; Descriptions of places in the novels ; forums, RPG, FR Abbreviations and Acronyms
- Come and have a look at the already asked questions from the Forgotten Realms Trivia Challenge
I am a French FR fan, so please forgive my lapses in English language and do not hesitate to correct me. Thanks a lot. |
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
139 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2009 : 04:50:53
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I am currently reading Mistshore. Almost done with it, great book.
I noticed on page 271 that you mention in Aldrens Altar what happened to Deneir. Is it true. I guess it is if it is in a Forgotten Realms Novel. Did Wizards tell you to put that in or did you put it in after somebody told you about it. Or was it just artistic lisensce(sp).
BRIMSTONE
Hello Brimstone,
Sorry for the late reply, my day job is unfortunately cutting sharply into my online time. I'm glad you're enjoying Mistshore, and to answer your question, Wizards did not tell me to include Deneir's fate in the novel. I knew from early information I had on the 4th Edition Realms that certain gods, including Deneir, were "gone" without knowing their specific fates. This got me thinking about Aldren, how he would carry the memory of gods that were lost without knowing what had become of them. For him to worship these gods was simultaneously a comfort and a sorrow. That's the feeling I was going for anyway. Thinking about it now, I really wish I'd left more of a place for Aldren in the book. He was my link between the past and the present Realms, but he's introduced so late in the story that he doesn't get the chance to shine the way he could have. Ah well, live and learn. |
http://www.jaleighjohnson.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/jaleigh_johnson |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2009 : 06:46:54
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Ok. Thanks.
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Tremaine
Seeker
United Kingdom
86 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 17:16:08
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I'm at the start of chapter 18 so still got a bit to go but I thought it was really cleaver how Ruen saved bell's life by taking her out of the cradle so she didn't end up like Arowell if she had remained at the cradle
how could you kill Borion he was brilliant |
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Tremaine
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 18:24:58
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just finished I felt sorry for Cerest in the end he wasn't evil just insane he could have handle things much better if he was sane and no need to murder anyone
will you be writing about Bell v the lock sisters I think that would make a good short story
Thanks for the tale it was pleasently ok |
Edited by - Tremaine on 24 Jul 2010 20:43:28 |
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
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Mistshore - 15 - 21 and Epilogue
