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Christopher_Rowe
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 :  13:59:04  Show Profile  Visit Christopher_Rowe's Homepage Send Christopher_Rowe a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
The bit with the troll is hilarious.

This is a flash cartoon, so keep your local bandwidth capabilities in mind.

Cheers,

Christopher

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 :  14:46:14  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe

The bit with the troll is hilarious.

This is a flash cartoon, so keep your local bandwidth capabilities in mind.

Cheers,

Christopher



I liked the band of adventures chanting Xp, Xp, XP getting their just desserts!

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 :  18:29:03  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Will watch it later...

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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scererar
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  03:12:42  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I liked the troll-like creature on the computer. Think it had a not-so hidden meaning?

Edited by - scererar on 11 Sep 2008 03:14:46
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  03:47:05  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very not-so hidden. I'm honestly not sure if that should insult me or not. Granted, I've never 'trolled' the boards looking for an argument, but I had been on the boards looking for more information on why I should have purchased 4th Edition (which I did, but I'm not going to use).

It's actually kind of smart of them to alienate the trolls who dislike 4th Edition so publicly, but it might also push those that aren't trollish from switching to 4th.

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scererar
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  05:21:52  Show Profile Send scererar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Very not-so hidden. I'm honestly not sure if that should insult me or not. Granted, I've never 'trolled' the boards looking for an argument, but I had been on the boards looking for more information on why I should have purchased 4th Edition (which I did, but I'm not going to use).

It's actually kind of smart of them to alienate the trolls who dislike 4th Edition so publicly, but it might also push those that aren't trollish from switching to 4th.



I think the only folks who would be "offended" are the "trolls" the video was spoofing. I had a good laugh when I read, "where's my Gnome PC" as the troll creature was typing on the computer. fun stuff.
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Jimbobx
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  08:00:19  Show Profile Send Jimbobx a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
It's actually kind of smart of them to alienate the trolls who dislike 4th Edition so publicly.


You're right, Ashe. And people are falling for it too. Sort of corporate brain-washing.

After a couple of views of the video [sarcasm]I was tempted to change my whole opinion of 4ed - "Hey! They're laughing at the folks that don't like 4ed. I don't want them to laugh at me. I better change my stance immediately. 4ed ROCKS!" [/sarcasm]

Nice try Wizards, nice try.


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arry
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  10:58:16  Show Profile Send arry a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Amusing but I didn't think the animation was as good as the previous cartoons.
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  13:38:52  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well now that we see the troll that way, I like in that scene Wotc/Hasbro all but admits they are a big bad dragon taking a dump on any who dissent!

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GRYPHON
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  14:25:33  Show Profile Send GRYPHON a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Amusing...
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author

USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  14:44:15  Show Profile  Visit Christopher_Rowe's Homepage Send Christopher_Rowe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Of course, they also seem to be mocking the extreme opposite of the troll with the sycophantic kobolds, eh?

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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  15:03:41  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe

Of course, they also seem to be mocking the extreme opposite of the troll with the sycophantic kobolds, eh?



Nice, I didn't quite catch that.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Jimbobx
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  16:33:50  Show Profile Send Jimbobx a Private Message  Reply with Quote


quote:
Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe

Of course, they also seem to be mocking the extreme opposite of the troll with the sycophantic kobolds, eh?


Mocked if you do, mocked if you don't. There's no-where to hide!....

Apart form perhaps the middle ground. It should be safe enough there.


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Christopher_Rowe
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  16:50:39  Show Profile  Visit Christopher_Rowe's Homepage Send Christopher_Rowe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, "mock" covers a whole continuum of attitudes and intentions, of course. Unless you're talking about Mock's Hold in Malaz City. That place is scary!

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  18:10:32  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jimbobx



quote:
Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe

Of course, they also seem to be mocking the extreme opposite of the troll with the sycophantic kobolds, eh?


Mocked if you do, mocked if you don't. There's no-where to hide!....

Apart form perhaps the middle ground. It should be safe enough there.



Good point!

A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka

"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  18:41:09  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe

The bit with the troll is hilarious.




I have to admit I did find that funny.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore

Canada
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  21:25:03  Show Profile Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, does the first dragon-dump (on the shiny elf with his beautiful white stallion) represent WotC's soiling of the Realms into the stinking heap of rubbish that is now 4$ Realms?

(i.e. big pile of turd falling from the sky = Spellplague?)

LOL!

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 :  21:47:54  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The mtv veejays was a nice touch as well!

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Markustay
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 :  00:00:42  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They appear to be poking fun at themselves as well as us.

Cartoons and 'turd' jokes.

Wecome to the Pokémon-generation edition.

I suppose if the Dragon is symbolic for D&D/WotC, then the 'eating of children' part was rather telling.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 18 Sep 2008 :  21:21:10  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

They appear to be poking fun at themselves as well as us.

Cartoons and 'turd' jokes.

Wecome to the Pokémon-generation edition.

I suppose if the Dragon is symbolic for D&D/WotC, then the 'eating of children' part was rather telling.



I had a college english professor who loved to do the same, he would tell a little self-depricating joke or two to poke fun at himself to lessen the attention of his next action, which was to tear down some poor freshman in front of the whole class.

It is a nice diversionary tactic that sometime works to cover motives.

But I am sure that's not wotc's intent here

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Kosta the Lich
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 :  12:16:19  Show Profile  Visit Kosta the Lich's Homepage Send Kosta the Lich a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Funny, but the single troll is not much telling about the whole situation on the net. Anywhere I look, people complain about the changes in the 4e. The troll is the highest on encounter list...

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Kosta the Lich
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 :  12:23:10  Show Profile  Visit Kosta the Lich's Homepage Send Kosta the Lich a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

They appear to be poking fun at themselves as well as us.

Cartoons and 'turd' jokes.

Wecome to the Pokémon-generation edition.

I suppose if the Dragon is symbolic for D&D/WotC, then the 'eating of children' part was rather telling.



Why the Russian in the Pokemon?

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Ardashir
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Posted - 04 Oct 2008 :  16:46:09  Show Profile  Visit Ardashir's Homepage Send Ardashir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You fellows are making it sound like 4ed isn't doing as well as WoTC hoped, so they're calling the fans names to "teach them a lesson"?

Or am I misreading the entires here?
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Pandora
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Posted - 04 Oct 2008 :  20:52:03  Show Profile  Visit Pandora's Homepage Send Pandora a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ardashir
You fellows are making it sound like 4ed isn't doing as well as WoTC hoped, so they're calling the fans names to "teach them a lesson"?

Or am I misreading the entires here?

I would interpret the whole thing as:

We (WotC = the Red Dragon) go poopy on everyone and eat whoever we please and only leave the brainless sycophants who chant praise to us in peace. We only love shinies and dont care about the rest!

This is obviously my personal assessment and in no way the true meaning behind it.

Mod edit: Watch the language, please.

If you cant say what youre meaning,
you can never mean what youre saying.

- Centauri Minister of Intelligence, Babylon 5

Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 05 Oct 2008 06:00:08
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Kentinal
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Posted - 05 Oct 2008 :  06:31:19  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It made no sense to me, however it could be my sound card.

I desire a transcipt not that I ever expect one.

Seeing the script wold be even better.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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