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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 14:58:18
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I read dwarves of the deep or how ever your callin it an I'm knowin for sure I read about it in one oh tha candlekeep compendiums. I'm writin a short story and I'm for wonder if any one thinks it's possible for a Firbolg and a dwarf to have a baby?
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 18:56:28
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| With magic, anything is possible. But I hope that the mother is the Firbolg, or that'd be one tough pregnancy. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 19:29:54
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Not to mention the mechanics of size in the uh . . . other aspects of conception. 
[Whoopsie!]
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 19:55:56
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Not to mention the mechanics of size in the uh . . . other aspects of conception.
[Whoopsie!]
Cheers
Dude, don't you know size doesn't matter? I've been told that many times... Wait, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that...   |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 19:57:47
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| I didnt think about it like that but nope the father is a Firbolg warrior from Hartsvale an the mother is a dwarven paladin from Citadel Adbar. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 20:35:21
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| Maybe the babe can be "gated" out of momma's womb? |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 21:38:42
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Maybe the babe can be "gated" out of momma's womb?
When firbolgs are born the are the size of human babys because they are only kin. I'm assuming it would even be more compact since it's gonna be half dwarf. Bah see ya got me talkin like a human. But in all seriousness I figure at the end of the day when he or she gorws up they will be something like an Azer in build just lacking all the fire. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 04:30:13
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Originally posted by Stout Heart
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Maybe the babe can be "gated" out of momma's womb?
When firbolgs are born the are the size of human babys because they are only kin. I'm assuming it would even be more compact since it's gonna be half dwarf. Bah see ya got me talkin like a human. But in all seriousness I figure at the end of the day when he or she gorws up they will be something like an Azer in build just lacking all the fire.
Wow! I didn't know that, I just assumed their babes would be proportionately large like their Firbold Ma and Da. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 10:35:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Dude, don't you know size doesn't matter? I've been told that many times... Wait, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that...
After all petite drow females give birth to draegloths. I should imagine after mating with a Glabrezu, the birth of its offspring should be a doddle. Quite what the minds who conjured up the idea of Triel Baenre conceiving Jeggred were thinking I shudder to guess. It wasn't healthy at any rate. |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 11:25:05
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Dude, don't you know size doesn't matter? I've been told that many times... Wait, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that...
After all petite drow females give birth to draegloths. I should imagine after mating with a Glabrezu, the birth of its offspring should be a doddle. Quite what the minds who conjured up the idea of Triel Baenre conceiving Jeggred were thinking I shudder to guess. It wasn't healthy at any rate.
Thanks I didint think about that if a drow and a demon can have a baby why not a firbolg and a dwarf. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 15:51:25
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My first son was born 10 lb 6 oz - he didn't fit into any of the newborn clothes we had!
He is now 6' 5" and still growing - I'm fairly certain he is half-Firbolg. 
I found the childbirth completely painless - but my wife may have other notions.
The baby may tend toward the large size, but I think it's entirely possible and nature tends to compensate. 
On the other hand, in the game Arcanum, the ebil Gnomes bred 'half-Ogres' as a servitor race. No-one questioned where they came from, but if you take the right series of quests, you find an island where Gnomish scientists were kidnapping human females and force-breeding them with Ogres just to create the race!
The women ALL died in childbirth...
Somewhat off-topic:
That was probably the MOST RP-intensive video game I've ever played (with NPC reactions based on previous encounters), and depending upon your race, gender, and the responses you give, the quests play out different every time - A real gem.
The Gnomes appear on the surface as a group of 'helpful' businessmen, but underneath they are a group of schemers controlling everything with their vast economic empire. I used to never use Gnomes IMGs because I thought they were silly, but since playing Arcanum I see them in a whole new light.
I highly recommend it, if you can find it. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 16:04:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Dude, don't you know size doesn't matter? I've been told that many times... Wait, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that...
Size doesn't matter in *one* direction, anyway.
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
After all petite drow females give birth to draegloths. I should imagine after mating with a Glabrezu, the birth of its offspring should be a doddle. Quite what the minds who conjured up the idea of Triel Baenre conceiving Jeggred were thinking I shudder to guess. It wasn't healthy at any rate.
Healthy? Drow? Demon? Those words don't belong in the same sentence, unless punctuated by a lot of *NOTS* and *HARDLIES*.
The drow do have a lot of magic, though, and are very used to this whole "breeding with demons" thing. Also, the size is probably the LAST concern on their minds . . . one might consider the horns, occasional flame spurts, and sheer evil factor. 
Your firbolg and dwarf might have it tougher, but you get an extremely hardy dwarf woman delivering a half-firbolg baby . . . I could see it. Plus, you'd have the bragging rights, like, forever.
I say go for it.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 16:20:08
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Since this thread is already tending toward the... ummm...'impolite' end of the spectrum (for lack of a more politic word)...
I doubt any Dwarven male would be able (or willing) to 'accomodate' her after that.
But you know what they say, "Once you go Firbolg..."  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 17:14:12
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Dude, don't you know size doesn't matter? I've been told that many times... Wait, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that...
Size doesn't matter in *one* direction, anyway.
I want to comment on this, because Erik reminded me of a humorous little tidbit from a recent adventure session at my gaming table.
But, Markus is right. We really should get on topic fellow scribes. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 17:39:02
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Originally posted by Markustay
Since this thread is already tending toward the... ummm...'impolite' end of the spectrum (for lack of a more politic word)...
Honored, Markus--though I would suggest we go with the word "questionable," rather than "impolite."
There is nothing impolite about talking about love, be it between drow and demons, dwarves and firbolgs, or . . . ahem. We'll stop there.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 17:57:53
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In our defense, the thread does (unfortunately) lead us down this 'unsavory' line of thought.
To get this somewhat back on topic, I know of at least one case of Dwarf/Elf love in the Realms (in Myth Drannor).
Does anyone else know of any canon examples of this sort of extra-racial pairing?
Aside from the 'normal' Orc/Human and Human/Elf couplings which are a staple of the game.
<This reminds me of that female beholder on the cover of that April issue of Dragon Magazine> |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 18:13:44
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In deep dwarves it says they are able to breed with gnomes, halflings and humans. But I swear to you I read a candle keep compendium that featured an article on the thunder blessing and I think it said dwarves can breed with nearly any other race. It just doesn't happen often because of the lack of racial interaction. So I figured here I could get a better feel for the answer. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 18:17:58
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| According to ED, nearly anything can breed with anything, although sometimes a little magic is required. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 18:41:30
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Does anyone else know of any canon examples of this sort of extra-racial pairing?
Aside from the 'normal' Orc/Human and Human/Elf couplings which are a staple of the game.
Actually, the 4e FRCG section on the Sea of Fallen Stars mentions how kuo-toa often interbreed with humans as a means of infiltrating surface cities. It implies that the offspring look totally human (i.e., the book says they can integrate into human communities without being readily discovered) and sometimes don't even know their heritage for a long time.
A couple Realms inter-species pairings are implied in my most recent novel (Depths of Madness) . . . though that depends on what you read into it.
SPOILERS:
The one reference (human x halfling) is very subtle (a single line in the epilogue) and the other pairing (elf x goliath) is not explicitly articulated, but rather implied by the standards of the fantasy genre (i.e., the heroes are supposed to end up together at the end).
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 19:04:32
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Originally posted by Markustay
According to ED, nearly anything can breed with anything, although sometimes a little magic is required.
Ah yes reminds me of an old axiom...
Magic = Ale
Question, if your half Firbolg half dwarf baby is a girl, will she grow up to have a beard? |
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 20:46:10
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Question, if your half Firbolg half dwarf baby is a girl, will she grow up to have a beard?
Certainly not until she grows up and hits puberty. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 21:08:56
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Actually, the 4e FRCG section on the Sea of Fallen Stars mentions how kuo-toa often interbreed with humans as a means of infiltrating surface cities. It implies that the offspring look totally human (i.e., the book says they can integrate into human communities without being readily discovered) and sometimes don't even know their heritage for a long time.
Innsmouth! 
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GoCeraf
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 21:26:55
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I feel like I recall someone stating that dwarf and non-dwarf unions always result in dwarven children. I can't remember the context, but I'm pretty sure it was here on Candlekeep.
If that's the case, then I don't think there would be too much of a danger in the union (other than the obvious and already-stated). Of course, the firbolg might have "big genes" outside of being a giant, which could lead to a proportionately large dwarf in relative terms.
Then again, I don't come across much lore about the mating of the unalike, less-appealing-to-human races. The blatant exception is, of course, anything that would be cool to fight (half-demons, half-ogres, what have you). |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 21:34:26
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I did something similar with the Doeganers of the Utter East (which canon says have 'fishy' parts). I figure some ancient connection to the Batrachi (through Kua-toa, as Erik has done), and the 'bloodline' has recently become more pronounced do to a 'corrupting influence' buried under the capital (an imprisoned Elder Evil or Fiendish Lord).
And I was also thinking "Innsmouth".
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Markustay
According to ED, nearly anything can breed with anything, although sometimes a little magic is required.
Ah yes reminds me of an old axiom...
Magic = Ale
Question, if your half Firbolg half dwarf baby is a girl, will she grow up to have a beard?
Wouldn't that make her a Furbolg? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 00:43:19
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Originally posted by GoCeraf
I feel like I recall someone stating that dwarf and non-dwarf unions always result in dwarven children. I can't remember the context, but I'm pretty sure it was here on Candlekeep.
You may be thinking about something I always tend to bring up when the discussion of elf/dwarf pairings come up. In that, the offspring of such unions aren't a distinct crossbreed race, but taller dwarves, as FR11 Dwarves Deep discusses.
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 14:31:00
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Markustay
According to ED, nearly anything can breed with anything, although sometimes a little magic is required.
Ah yes reminds me of an old axiom...
Magic = Ale
Question, if your half Firbolg half dwarf baby is a girl, will she grow up to have a beard?
I hadn't thought about that until you asked the question. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 10:00:19
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Actually, the 4e FRCG section on the Sea of Fallen Stars mentions how kuo-toa often interbreed with humans as a means of infiltrating surface cities. It implies that the offspring look totally human (i.e., the book says they can integrate into human communities without being readily discovered) and sometimes don't even know their heritage for a long time.
Innsmouth!
It sounds very like Innsmouth. Then again, the Kuo-Toa were inspired by/based on Lovecraft's Deep Ones anyway.
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