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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 16:01:53
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Am I alone in worrying that we're being too negative towards WOTC and 4e in a fashion that would reflect badly upon this site and the folks there-in?
Or am I just being typically paranoid here?
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 16:10:55
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 16:12:49
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It does go a bit to far some times, but I don't think it can be avoided. People feel a need to vent out their frustrations and as new people comes along it becomes more or less a permanent thing. It is a problem though, when threads and discussion becomes derailed by meaningless anti-4ed.posts. Rather boring when it happens. Still, this doesn't happen all that often at the moment.
But I must say that if I was exited by the 4ed. Realms and looked forward to the books this wouldn't be a very welcoming place right now. This could be a problem with time. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 16:29:29
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| I quite agree. There has been an awful lot of negativity of late, and a lot of it has been excessive. While the negativity is understandable, I do wish we could have less accusations of active maliciousness and insulting commentary directed at the designers. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 16:43:11
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Indeed. I just want to repeat something I said in another scroll a short while back...
I know some of you have long been disgruntled with certain published details about the 4e Realms. But, really, a few of the words some scribes have been ocassionally using to describe WotC/designers over recent months are quite unnecessary.
Remember, Candlekeep is the place for FRIENDLY Realms chatter about ALL editions of the game. Let's try to keep things civil, polite and, most importantly of all, fun. 
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
402 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 17:30:50
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I totally agree.
It's a matter of presenting a critique about a produced work of art (as all writing really is) vs an attack on the character of the person presenting the work of art.
Sometimes I end up posting something that sits in the grey area between the two (I'm pretty sure I haven't crossed the line but it's quite possible that you could find examples of me crossing that line) but I do try to keep my comments in the first area (that of critique, even if it's a scathing critique) rather than the second.
I firmly believe that critiquing, even a harsh critiquing, should be absolutely fine (and I'm pretty sure the mods of Candlekeep agree) but when comments descend into the Realm of personal insult it goes way to far.
And, for the most part, I think we've done well with a pretty emotionally charged subject. Sure there have been slip ups and some mighty hot words but I think, when considering peoples emotions on the subject, that we've done pretty well at being respectful of the people involved, if not the ideas involved.
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Shottglazz
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 17:56:21
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| For the most part, I've found that the comments here are no harsher than on other D&D-related boards. Like what has been said by others, most comments are pretty respectful...the ones that aren't are few and far between... |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 18:24:25
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Originally posted by Shottglazz
For the most part, I've found that the comments here are no harsher than on other D&D-related boards. Like what has been said by others, most comments are pretty respectful...the ones that aren't are few and far between...
I totally agree. The main reason I was upset with the 4e was because I would have to buy the new books. And why? 3.5 are working fine!
The rules aren'r that bad, 3.5 is better but the more I read I come across some positive things about 4e. For example the skills: in my D&D session this week the rogue wanted to explore the Temple of Mystra (we're playing Cormyr: Tearing of the Weave) and she had to roll a hide check, move silently check and a slight of hand check because she hid a weapon beneath her robe) opposed by a spot check, listen check and another spot check in case the guards noticed her sneaking around and seeing her hide something beneath her robe. All that dice rolling was a bit confusing.
In 4e they simplefied the skills and as a result needs less dice action and is more straight forward (move silently and hide are now stealth and listen and spot are now perception). So just because there is a new edition doesn't mean we all have to use it, just don't or only use the things you like and combine it with the older rules. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
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879 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 18:43:44
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Originally posted by StarBog
Am I alone in worrying that we're being too negative towards WOTC and 4e in a fashion that would reflect badly upon this site and the folks there-in?
I started reading these forums after coming back to the Realms (and to the game) after decades away. I'm very enthusiastic about the Fourth Edition game and the Fourth Edition Realms.
I'm afraid I believe that the Sage's point that this is the place for friendly chatter about all editions of the Realms is likely to be lost on others who might wander in, be they newcomers, latecomers, or returners.
I know after my first rush of participation, I find myself checking in less and less, and usually leave feeling like this isn't really the place for people who like the Forgotten Realms. It seems to be the place for people who used to. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 19:22:19
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Originally posted by Shottglazz
For the most part, I've found that the comments here are no harsher than on other D&D-related boards. Like what has been said by others, most comments are pretty respectful...the ones that aren't are few and far between...
I might have been a bit to diplomatic in my first post on the subject, mostly because I am not completely innocent when it comes to negative comments myself. No, they are not much harsher than at a few other sites. Not that that is saying much. There is a reason Candlekeep is the only forum I post at and that is the usually civil and friendly tone here, so if we are getting to the same level as a couple of other sites I can think of this is rather scary. As for disrespectful tone and posts, I wouldn't say that it has been few exactly.
It is not only those interested in 4ed. that might feel like Candlekeep is starting to feel like a place they don't want to be a part of, even general Realmsfans might get tired of the same comments again and again instead of interesting views and individual takes on the Realms. At least there are less "true Realms fans should do this true Realms fans should do that" comments than there were.
I am not saying that people should try to see the positive in things they dislike, (or the negative in things they like of course) but there are several ways of saying things.
And that is as near a rant I am going to get. |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 20:23:59
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I've read some pretty harsh posts. But, to be truthful, I've felt a similar loss and anger about the changes in 4E, and this community helped identify why--and resolve them. I owe a huge thanks to many posters.
I want the Keep survive. We have an amazing group of scribes. I miss threads constructing and discussing rather than venting, and I imagine the skewed ratio of venting to constructing contributes to feelings like Christopher Rowe expressed.
Was this the reaction to 3.X's release? If the community survives the FRCS and the FRPG releases in August and September, will we be all clear? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2008 : 00:41:14
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Originally posted by Christopher_Rowe
I'm afraid I believe that the Sage's point that this is the place for friendly chatter about all editions of the Realms is likely to be lost on others who might wander in, be they newcomers, latecomers, or returners.
I don't think so. At least, not easily, in any case. I and the other Mods will ensure this aspect of Candlekeep is well maintained. It'll be a struggle, I know, but it'll be worth it if it means keeping all of our scribes happy and conent, for the most part. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2008 : 11:09:52
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Well met
Aye, I don't think the negativity can be blamed, if i'm honst. Afterall, a lot of fans have grown up with the Realms and the vast changes are bound to cause unrest.
Again, all I can say is that Candlekeep will continue to support the Realms, regardless of the edition. All fans are welcome to discuss any element of the Realms in whatever timeline they wish. It is down to each of you individually to embrace 4e or disregard it - and respect the decisions of your fellow FR fans.
Everyone is different, some wish to avoid 4e; that's fine, but understand that there are those who are happy with 4e, and those wishes are to be respected. We're all Realms fans, and can share Candlekeep regardless. There's no need to continually slate 4e and clog up threads with negativity if you choose to ignore 4e. For those who like 4e, they shouldn't feel the need to have to strive to defend it.
Hopefully, after the release this month, things will die down a little and we'll all just get on with our own preference. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3248 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 14:38:15
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I find myself of two minds when it comes to all of this. I've been playing D&D since I was a young `un, cutting my teeth early on the old red Basic books, then graduating to Advanced and 2nd Edition AD&D. I remember when I first came across El and company and falling in love with the Realms. They feel like a second home to me. When 3rd and 3.5 came out, I was ecstatic because it truly felt like the rules were such that they could encompass everything in the Realms (El with his levels of fighter, rogue and cleric. Drizzt with his levels of barbarian and fighter). I'm not sure how they are going to look in 4th edition, but I feel they will feel restricted in what they can do.
As for the Spellplague/100 year jump, I understand their position. They want the Realms to feel new to attract new players. But, you'd think they'd they would have learned a lesson from the industry: BattleTech's Dark Age jump ticked off the fans of the setting with the 100+ year jump, ensuring that most of their favorite characters where killed. And where are they now? Classic BattleTech is their #1 seller, which went back to where they were before the jump and started writing out the sourcebooks for the changes that occurred.
I love the Realms. But all the sourcebooks and canon material had always been a springboard for myself and my gaming group. We took what we wanted and left what we didn't. Hell, one of the best games I ever played in was my friend's where he *almost* destroyed the realms. And Khelben was a fatality three years before WotC killed him. So, the realms will continue to live in my stories. I'm looking to mod the Pathfinder rules to Faerûn, since the changes they've done are a terrific step forward in my book. 4th edition, while being a great rules set for beginners, feels more like the Basic edition rules to me, so I'll stick with my Advanced. ;) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 15:09:36
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
As for the Spellplague/100 year jump, I understand their position. They want the Realms to feel new to attract new players. But, you'd think they'd they would have learned a lesson from the industry: BattleTech's Dark Age jump ticked off the fans of the setting with the 100+ year jump, ensuring that most of their favorite characters where killed. And where are they now? Classic BattleTech is their #1 seller, which went back to where they were before the jump and started writing out the sourcebooks for the changes that occurred.
You know, in BattleTech, I could have easily accepted the timejump, had it not been for the nonsense of the Jihad. And given my hatred of the Sellplague (which is, honestly, less than my hatred of the Jihad), I think I could have accepted the timejump pretty readily had it not been for the Sellplague.
One of my favorite series of fantasy novels is the Riftwar Saga and its spinoffs, by Raymond E Feist. And he's done the fast forward thing, between story arcs. We first met all the characters of the Riftwar, and they remain some of my faves that he's written. Then we jumped forward a generation for a book or two. And then for the next arc, the Serpentwar Saga, we jumped forward another generation. I think the newest books are 100 to 150 years after the start of Magician. These timejumps have caused characters to die of old age, and be replaced by their descendents and by other new characters. We've still got some of the old characters, though, because their magic makes them extremely long-lived.
And you know what? Those timejumps have never bothered me. It's been sad to see familiar characters die of old age, but it's understandable. And most importantly, the world is still pretty much the same. Sure, Krondor got blown up and rebuilt, but compared to the Jihad or the Sellplague, that's a minor thing. Even more importantly, it wasn't an arbitrary event caused by some outside force -- Duke James had to destroy his beloved city to slow down the Emerald Queen's army, and he died doing so. It made sense.
So a timejump, while not desirable, isn't an overly bad thing. Blowing up the setting, then doing a timejump, is.
On another note, I see you're a fan of the Realms, of BattleTech, and of the Hitchhiker's trilogy... You may just be my new best friend! |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 16:13:12
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I find it a tad amusing that there's a thread almost just like this over on WOTC's boards as well.
And all I'm going to say here is that it's not just the "negative" people who are causing the problems, it's the pro people as well. People need to let people vent even if they are pro or con to the changes, but once you start calling out those replies in a disrespectful manner, and yes some of the pro people have done it just as much as the con people, then the threads get snarky. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3248 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 16:24:21
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True, timejumps are acceptable (hell, my favorite TV show of all time is Quantum Leap ). Even blowing up settings is acceptable, if done right (catch the midseason finale of Battlestar?). It's all about how you approach it.
Unfortunately, when the approach is based on trying to infuse new money into a product, the story gets lost. Because instead of the authors telling a story of their own design, they are told to write a story that does X and leads to Y.
Like I said before, the Realms will live on no matter what, because of the fans. |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 18:13:00
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 18:13:32
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So, this thread was set up by the original poster to discuss whether the tone of Candlekeep's forums at large has become too negative regarding the edition change. The last five posts aren't particularly negative, but they do demonstrate how seemingly all topics seem to drift that direction.
In my less optimistic moments I wonder whether this community might be best served by bundling a great many of the currently active threads into one, title it "And here's something else I don't like about all this!", and have done with it. |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 18:42:55
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My apologies, Christopher_Rowe.
It could be the darvocet I took for my dental work, but I can be also be impulsive and insensitive without narcotics.... My comment was short and open to interpretation.
I totally like the sentiment that the Realms will never die but always lives on in peoples' hearts, but I see how that implies that it's dead other places, particularly in the current forum climate.
I continue to game the Realms in 3.5, and, while I plan to mine any 4E stuff I can use, I'm still deep in 3.5 and forget 4E's out. (Ok, that's obviously the darvocet...)
I particulary hope we get a 4E fey sourcebook. Satyrs and dryads and nymphs, oh my!
Thanks for reminding me there's more out there than my campaign, and please accept my apology. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3248 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 18:56:31
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My apologies as well. I wasn't implying that the 4E Realms stuff was "dead", but that the realms fans will use every available resource to make their realms come alive.
I'm sorry if it came across as negative, having gone through this before with BattleTech and watching the Dragonlance line change so much, the cynic in me sometimes doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.
I, for one, hope that the Realms will always be popular and that it will be available for a long time to come. I might not agree with most of the changes they put into the latest edition, but I know that I'll still pull some stuff from the books, just because it has interest. |
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Edited by - Ashe Ravenheart on 19 Aug 2008 19:00:08 |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 19:07:10
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I have nothing to aplogize for. None of the discussions lately have broken the CoC and this site is for ALL editions of the setting. If you don't enjoy reading that some people don't like the changes, well, then maybe this site isn't for you either.
As I said above, it isn't just the con people who are causing the problems, it's everyone who decides to call people out because they are being to "negative" or to "positive." It works both ways here people. You might not want to read about how much someone doesn't like the changes, but at the same time someone else might not want to read about how much you do like the changes.
It'll happen, it'll always happen, and we all just have to live with it as long as it doesn't break the CoC. So, no I really don't have anything to apologize for.
As for people being to negative towards WOTC/the changes, I don't see it. The same debates have happened during the ToT, they happened in 2000 with those changes, etc. People liked the changes during the ToT and during the release of 3e, and others didn't. However, we continued on and the site continued to exist, even when there are times that people posted that they do, or do not, like this or that change.
Stiffling any discussion is wrong, especially on a 3rd party site. Again, as long as it doesn't break the CoC. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 20:21:53
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Oh, I agree absolutely that you (Kuje) have nothing to apologize for and don't think anything has been said in this thread that warranted it (though I appreciate the sentiment, Ashe and monknwildcat). And while I personally think that the terms of reasonable, productive, and fun discussion only begin with terms of service of any given forum, you're right to point out that those are the rules we're operating under.
As for stifling discussion being wrong, well, we're absolutely in agreement there as well. I think the question this thread was begun to discuss is whether or not there are threads or posts at Candlekeep that may (inadvertently) be doing just that. |
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Kilsek
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 20:32:21
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I personally dislike 4.0. Never mind the massacre to the Realms.
Ye would be shocked by the discussions we have had on Geeked. Although we tried to remain positive, it ended with our resentment of the changes stronger.
In time, I may come to change my views. Candlekeep is a gift from Lolth and I cherish it and would hate to see some comments tarnish the sacredness of its halls. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 21:12:05
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Just remember, nobody argues about facts like a librarian!
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 01:19:15
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Originally posted by Kuje
I have nothing to aplogize for. None of the discussions lately have broken the CoC and this site is for ALL editions of the setting. If you don't enjoy reading that some people don't like the changes, well, then maybe this site isn't for you either.
As I said above, it isn't just the con people who are causing the problems, it's everyone who decides to call people out because they are being to "negative" or to "positive." It works both ways here people. You might not want to read about how much someone doesn't like the changes, but at the same time someone else might not want to read about how much you do like the changes.
It'll happen, it'll always happen, and we all just have to live with it as long as it doesn't break the CoC. So, no I really don't have anything to apologize for.
As for people being to negative towards WOTC/the changes, I don't see it. The same debates have happened during the ToT, they happened in 2000 with those changes, etc. People liked the changes during the ToT and during the release of 3e, and others didn't. However, we continued on and the site continued to exist, even when there are times that people posted that they do, or do not, like this or that change.
Stiffling any discussion is wrong, especially on a 3rd party site. Again, as long as it doesn't break the CoC.
I'm quoting Kuje's post specifically because I think he hits upon a lot of the more crucial points of concern about the general attitude of negativity here at Candlekeep.
As it is, I'm kinda growing weary of all this "but we really can't talk about that here" chatter about 4e here at Candlekeep. Don't let the criticism of the overall changes sway your devotion to the Realmslore, and to Candlekeep specifically. There are still those who wish to explore the Realms in the events after the Spellplague, here at Candlekeep. Just as there were those scribes intent on reading about the Realms after the Return of the Shades, in 3e.
Candlekeep is the place for discussions about ALL editions of the Realms. Whether for or against the 4e changes it is, in the end, still all about the Realms. And we should, as the scribes of Candlekeep, continue to devote ourselves to quality Realmslore discussion. If you like the events outlined by the Spellplague, that's fine. And if you don't, that fine too. There's a place for all types of thinking on the Realms here at Candlekeep.
I know it can be difficult for those encouraged by the changes to want to participate here, especially given some of the more negative criticism that has been brought up. But at the same time, such scribes should recognise that they have just as much right to continue to talk about their love for the 4e Realms. In time, those other scribes who may be a little cautious when it comes to posting their own desire to use the post-Spellplague Realms, may start to reveal themselves more and discuss their opinions more openly.
We're at a delicate time in terms of Realms devotion at the moment. Just as we were during the time of the 2e-to-3e transition. But we came through that, just as we will the transition to the Spellplague. We have to remain strong and, above all else, respect the opinions of our fellow scribes, regardless of how they feel about the Spellplague. We're all still Realms fans, whether it before a love for the Realms before and/or after the Spellplague. And that's the kind of interaction that the foundation of Candlekeep has been built on. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 18:46:08
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Originally posted by StarBog
Am I alone in worrying that we're being too negative towards WOTC and 4e in a fashion that would reflect badly upon this site and the folks there-in?
I think there is a difference between being negative and being insulting. If scribes and threads veer towards insult then that is bad. The Moderators here are swift to lock up those sort of threads though.
As regards negativity, it's still a form of feedback. One shouldn't careen through life expecting praise. If you've made a mistake, and many here think that WotC have, then it needs pointing out. Otherwise things get worse.
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Or am I just being typically paranoid here?
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Aug 2008 : 21:55:15
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| Maybe we should have a sorting hat for FR editions? :) Hahaha, but seriously I only worry about the writers that visit Candlekeep. They are good people no matter what they write. I think that the scribes of Candlekeep have a valid reason to be disappointed, to put it lightly. I love coming here to learn about the Realms whatever the edition. You all educate this wandering mage more than any one book could. I thank you for your lively exchanges and concern for respecting each other. No worries. :) |
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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 10:59:34
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Maybe we should have a sorting hat for FR editions? :) Hahaha, but seriously I only worry about the writers that visit Candlekeep. They are good people no matter what they write.
Yeah, that was one of my main concerns. It wouldn't be nice for some folks to be driven away because they think we're slagging them off personally (when we're not). |
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Seainna Mistwalker
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 07:45:41
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| You'll be hard pressed to allow the discussion of various editions without almost any criticism being taken by *someone* as an insult, and thus retaliating in an emotionally heated manner that begins a snowball effect. Of all the sites that I frequent, not one that allows for such discussions has been able to stifle this effect (RPG.net, D&d>Forgotten Realms official, Enworld, ect..). The only thing that varies between these sites is how heated these discussions are allowed to become, ironically with the Wizards site being one of the worst for flame-wars. |
Edited by - Seainna Mistwalker on 28 Aug 2008 07:47:14 |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 20:47:56
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-The insulting and thread pooping is what drove me away from the WotC Forums recently.
-I know I was irresponsible in alot of my posting overthere awhile back. Then I decided to give the 4E Realms a chance, and I like it.
-Now I am trying to be a responsible member of this community now. I am trying to learn from my mistakes in how I handled this change.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Too negative towards WOTC and 4e?
