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The Red Walker
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 Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 23:59:42
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Just read the Blurb Amazon that says "Drizzt is back in action again, and bringing more changes to the Forgotten Realms setting."
That kinda scares me. Also says that Capt. Dudermont(sp?) comes to rescue a city from itself. That really got my attention. I like Luskan just like it is (was???) full of scum and corruption. I mean every city in the realms can't be Silverymoon can it? I think we needed Luskan to be ran by the Pirates but with D riding in we know The bad guys will lose.
Looks like change for the worse for another little part of the realms I love. I will still read it, I have not missed a D novel yet, and I expect to be as enjoyable as any other D novel.
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Arrevanthas
Acolyte
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 03:20:31
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I am looking forward to the release of the book! I haven't missed one either though I am behind in the reading lol! I have a problem with buying too many books at once! Anyhow, you know, my only problem with Drizzt is that...I kind of want him to lose...is that bad? It just always seems like he wins a fight and whatnot, or manages to turn the tide...Anyhow, wasn't Morik left in Luskan or did he go elsewhere? Maybe he will make another appearance! That would make me happy...I liked him.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 03:53:20
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Originally posted by Arrevanthas
I am looking forward to the release of the book! I haven't missed one either though I am behind in the reading lol! I have a problem with buying too many books at once! Anyhow, you know, my only problem with Drizzt is that...I kind of want him to lose...is that bad? It just always seems like he wins a fight and whatnot, or manages to turn the tide...Anyhow, wasn't Morik left in Luskan or did he go elsewhere? Maybe he will make another appearance! That would make me happy...I liked him.
[Wow...I ramble... >.>]
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 14:27:41
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Originally posted by capnvan
So, is this in keeping with the idea that the PCs are the ones to change the world?
of course not |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 16:23:31
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Back in September(ish), I called the fact that since the newest Drizzt series was called Transitions that WotC was going to use the Drizzt novels to try and shoehorn (transistion) us into the new campaign setting that vaguely resembles the Realms.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 22:49:29
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Just read the Blurb Amazon that says "Drizzt is back in action again, and bringing more changes to the Forgotten Realms setting."
No comment. |
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Mkhaiwati
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Posted - 08 Jul 2008 : 23:49:51
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allright, it kinda bothers me....
Am I the only one who sees this title and immediately thinks of Gilbert & Sullivan?
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 01:22:44
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Just read the Blurb Amazon that says "Drizzt is back in action again, and bringing more changes to the Forgotten Realms setting."
No comment.
I could almost hear your thoughts when I posted that sentence.
I aplaud your restraint milady, even as it robs me the chance to hear
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 01:25:27
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
allright, it kinda bothers me....
Am I the only one who sees this title and immediately thinks of Gilbert & Sullivan?
You know Ed had to smile at that one seeing as he has been known to sing G & S tunes aloud! |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 02:34:26
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Just read the Blurb Amazon that says "Drizzt is back in action again, and bringing more changes to the Forgotten Realms setting."
No comment.
maybe they will finally be good changes |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 03:08:39
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I could almost hear your thoughts when I posted that sentence.
I aplaud your restraint milady, even as it robs me the chance to hear
your words!
Thanks.
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Brother Accam
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 06:42:32
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You know, I was really surprised today when I opened my copy of The Orc King paperback. It's got a listing of all R A Salvatore's Realms books . . . and I didn't realise until that moment just how many Drizzt books there are.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm left to wonder whether Salvatore has any particular desire to write about something in the Realms that isn't Drizzt-related? |
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 14:41:01
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Originally posted by Brother Accam
You know, I was really surprised today when I opened my copy of The Orc King paperback. It's got a listing of all R A Salvatore's Realms books . . . and I didn't realise until that moment just how many Drizzt books there are.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm left to wonder whether Salvatore has any particular desire to write about something in the Realms that isn't Drizzt-related?
The Artemis/Jarlaxle books are pretty good, and he sure left their story open to finish later......but I guess now Jarlaxle is the only of the two who could be alive right? Or did Entreri's life span increase when Charons Claw passed some of the (can't remember the creature roght now...Shadow or Shade????) to him?
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 15:21:54
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
So, is this in keeping with the idea that the PCs are the ones to change the world?
Well, it's not like the authors and designers can just delve into your mind and rip out your PCs to put down on the page.
And even if we could, I like to think we'd use our powers for good, not copyright infringement. 
And even if we *did* that--took one particular set of PCs to make all the changes in the world--then a million other fans would say (truthfully) that the books aren't using *their* PCs.
The Knights of Myth Drannor were PCs--how are we to know the main characters in any other series weren't someone's PCs?
The Realms needs to be molded to you and your gaming needs and interests. And one of the first rules of DMing in the realms is that the PCs should always, always, always be the focus of your campaigns. If you want to play only with the canon in the sourcebooks and novels as the main (or only) events in your Realms, then you're missing the point.
A particular event doesn't work in your game? Then it didn't happen.
You want your heroes to XXXXXXXXX (something Drizzt did)? Then guess what: they did it, not him.
This is your world--my world--everyone's world, but only if you make it so.*
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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3567 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 15:43:23
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Originally posted by The Sage
"Engage."
Wow Sage and Erik have made me realize how much Drizzt is like Cmdr. Data! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 16:43:49
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
So, is this in keeping with the idea that the PCs are the ones to change the world?
Well, it's not like the authors and designers can just delve into your mind and rip out your PCs to put down on the page.
And even if we could, I like to think we'd use our powers for good, not copyright infringement.
And even if we *did* that--took one particular set of PCs to make all the changes in the world--then a million other fans would say (truthfully) that the books aren't using *their* PCs.
The Knights of Myth Drannor were PCs--how are we to know the main characters in any other series weren't someone's PCs?
The Realms needs to be molded to you and your gaming needs and interests. And one of the first rules of DMing in the realms is that the PCs should always, always, always be the focus of your campaigns. If you want to play only with the canon in the sourcebooks and novels as the main (or only) events in your Realms, then you're missing the point.
A particular event doesn't work in your game? Then it didn't happen.
You want your heroes to XXXXXXXXX (something Drizzt did)? Then guess what: they did it, not him.
This is your world--my world--everyone's world, but only if you make it so.*
Cheers
*P.S. "Make it so, Number One."
But the thing is, one of the supposed goals of the Sellplague is to off the high-level characters that were wrongly considered an impediment to PC actions, and to thus make PCs the stars of the setting. With this particular blurb, they're basically invalidating their stated goals by having changes implemented by a high-level character. "We're getting rid of high-level characters so you can do everything! ...Except for this high-level character over here that we're keeping so he can do big stuff, too. Which means your PCs aren't doing everything. But never mind that."
And then some other author will introduce his own high-level character, and a third author will do the same, and we wind up with the Chosen arms race all over again.
I understand that each campaign belongs to the DM and his players, and that they can use what and who they want in them. Having the Sellplague inflicted on us ignored this truism, and then deliberately holding on to the type of character that was considered indicative of this problem invalidates part of the reasoning for the Sellplague. In essence, WotC appears to be trying to have their cake and eat it, too. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 17:23:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
But the thing is, one of the supposed goals of the Sellplague is to off the high-level characters that were wrongly considered an impediment to PC actions, and to thus make PCs the stars of the setting. With this particular blurb, they're basically invalidating their stated goals by having changes implemented by a high-level character. [snip]
I see what you're saying, Wooly, and I'm sympathetic toward your point. But just as WotC can't have it both ways, we readers can't have it both ways, either.
No matter what the marketing says (and that blurb wasn't written by Bob, I guarantee you--like as not, it wasn't even someone at WotC), Drizzt has never been a giant mover-and-shaker. He's set on his path, taking care of his stuff, and Bob does a great job staying out of other people's way. And, true to form, I don't think Drizzt will be a big giant world player in 4e FR either.
But ok, sure: let's assume this particular novel has major changes happening. Maybe it's just an explanation of why things are the way they are in the 4e FR. Isn't that what people are saying they want--to have explanations to fill in the hundred-year blank between 3.5e and 4e?
So which is it--either readers *don't* want the changes to be told because they don't want NPCs to do things PCs should be doing, or they *do* want the changes to be told because the wholesale change catches in their collective craw?
I personally applaud the fact that WotC is showing some more of the framework for the changes.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 17:30:42
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Oh, I understand all that. And I do like having changes explained -- I'm still irked at 3E's bucketload of retcons.
I'm just pointing out that this blurb indicates that in this book, a major NPC is doing something WotC specifically said they didn't want major NPCs to do. That's all. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 20:49:40
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm just pointing out that this blurb indicates that in this book, a major NPC is doing something WotC specifically said they didn't want major NPCs to do. That's all.
Cool, cool. We're good. 
I guess we'll see what happens. I know I'm looking forward to it!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 20:55:27
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
A particular event doesn't work in your game? Then it didn't happen.
You want your heroes to XXXXXXXXX (something Drizzt did)? Then guess what: they did it, not him.
This is your world--my world--everyone's world, but only if you make it so.*
Now that's a sentiment I can always get behind. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 22:46:50
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| I thought, and I haven't read Orc King, that those novels take place in the past. In the prologue to Orc King, the only thing I read (of said book, didn't Drizzt mention Luskan being destroyed? |
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Arrevanthas
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 00:50:56
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| In the Orc King, yes is does mention Luskan being destroyed [p.11 second to last paragraph]. Is it wrong that I am awaiting the death of Catti-brie? I hate her so much.... |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 01:27:10
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
But the thing is, one of the supposed goals of the Sellplague is to off the high-level characters that were wrongly considered an impediment to PC actions, and to thus make PCs the stars of the setting. With this particular blurb, they're basically invalidating their stated goals by having changes implemented by a high-level character. [snip]
I see what you're saying, Wooly, and I'm sympathetic toward your point. But just as WotC can't have it both ways, we readers can't have it both ways, either.
No matter what the marketing says (and that blurb wasn't written by Bob, I guarantee you--like as not, it wasn't even someone at WotC), Drizzt has never been a giant mover-and-shaker. He's set on his path, taking care of his stuff, and Bob does a great job staying out of other people's way. And, true to form, I don't think Drizzt will be a big giant world player in 4e FR either.
I agree their is no way Bob wrote that blurb. We will most likely never know, but I would bet my entire FR novel collection(all 146 Paperbacks & 40 Hardcovers) that it was written by someone at Wizards of Hasbro. Here is the blurb again: "Drizzt is back in action again, and bringing more changes to the Forgotten Realms setting."
Now I love the Realms, but their is no way some publishing house Blurb writer would use the phrase "....the Forgotten Realms Setting". They may know there is more than one Realms novel , but almost no chance they realize it is a game setting. If it is someone who does, the blurb totally fits what the way 4e has been handled by the Wizards of Hasbro.
I LOVE Bob's writing and will buy any and all Realms novels hes ever produces, but he does not so much stay out of others way as he creates a new path that must either be explained or ignored by those that follow.
That doesn't bother me so much. I just like Luskan. I like it dirty and full of Pirates!!! I don't want Mos Eisley or Tortuga or the Bouldershoulders cleaned up either.
And we readers can have it both ways , after all their are thousands of us all with differing views on it, but Wotc is one entity that is supposed to have a unified objective. They cannot have it both ways without compromising their integrity, but lately they are having it every which way they can. Oh well, I am just gonna sit back down beside Ed, grab an oar and paddle like Hell!
:cue Gilbert & Sullivan Pirate King!!!
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 03:59:05
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Just to be fair and balanced sounds like fox news. The entire "blurb" found on a couple of sites exactly the same is this"
"Drizzt returns to Luskan, and the Realms will never be the same!
The Arcane Brotherhood has long held the city of Luskan in their power, but when corruption eats away at their ranks, Captain Deudermont comes to the rescue of a city that has become a safe haven for the Sword Coast's most dangerous pirates. But rescuing a city from itself may not be as easy as Deudermont thinks, and when Drizzt can't talk him out of it, he'll be forced to help.
Drizzt is back in action again, and bringing more changes to the Forgotten Realms setting. This all new hardcover adventure will keep Drizzt fans guessing the whole way, with edge-of-your-seat action and plot twists that even the most casual reader of the Forgotten Realms novel line can't afford to miss!"
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 04:15:42
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| It will be interesting to see if D does run into Arum the barkeep as well, as he deserves to know what has happened to Delly, her babe and Wulfgar. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 18:21:37
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I read the blurb again, and I still find it a bit silly. The Arcane Brotherhood wasn't corrupt before? Luskan wasn't a safe haven for dangerous pirates before? |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 18:43:21
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I read the blurb again, and I still find it a bit silly. The Arcane Brotherhood wasn't corrupt before? Luskan wasn't a safe haven for dangerous pirates before?
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Willis
Acolyte
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Posted - 12 Jul 2008 : 19:58:55
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Brother Accam
You know, I was really surprised today when I opened my copy of The Orc King paperback. It's got a listing of all R A Salvatore's Realms books . . . and I didn't realise until that moment just how many Drizzt books there are.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm left to wonder whether Salvatore has any particular desire to write about something in the Realms that isn't Drizzt-related?
The Artemis/Jarlaxle books are pretty good, and he sure left their story open to finish later......but I guess now Jarlaxle is the only of the two who could be alive right? Or did Entreri's life span increase when Charons Claw passed some of the (can't remember the creature roght now...Shadow or Shade????) to him?
I always thought a Bouldershoulder brothers novel could be a ripping good time myself!
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Arion Elenim
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Posted - 10 Oct 2009 : 20:31:57
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If I can just muscle my way in here, guys....
You know what I loved about PK (having finished it yesterday)?
SPOILER!!!!!
The total lack of a happy ending.
I REALLY had to hand it to Salvatore, he put Drizzt in a situation where spinning scimitars really really fast just wasn't goint to save the day. And lo and behold, it didn't. He could have thrown in a twist ending where Regis negotiates their way out of it and saves Luskan as Drizzt fends off hordes of goblins. But the novel only had one way to end. Salvatore gave us an inevitability, and let it play out.
And plus, Wulfgar was kept at a minimum. Win win!
So yeah. Haven't enjoyed Drizzt that much in a long time. |
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Dantrag
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 19:28:33
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The Artemis/Jarlaxle books are pretty good, and he sure left their story open to finish later......but I guess now Jarlaxle is the only of the two who could be alive right? Or did Entreri's life span increase when Charons Claw passed some of the (can't remember the creature roght now...Shadow or Shade????) to him?
I always thought a Bouldershoulder brothers novel could be a ripping good time myself!
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Well if Catti Bree and Wulfgar are still alive, Entreri should not be dead. That was the thing that confused me most at the end of the Orc King, the time skip thing. Is Salvatore going to skip forward in time like the rest of the realms are doing or keep the same time because of the value of the characters? Troubling question to say the least, because i basically grew up of Drizzt.
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The Pirate King
