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KnightErrantJR
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 Posted - 14 Dec 2008 : 15:55:22
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Originally posted by Kajehase
And in case no-one's mentioned it somewhere else already, it seems that the last instalment of the Second Darkness Adventure Path will be written by some little-known guy called Brian Cortijo.
Congratulations Brian
Not to mention he's writing the Qadira Pathfinder Companion as well . . .  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 : 15:56:57
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Ooh, I wonder if there will be any Cormyr lore in there?  
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 : 16:07:05
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Shemmy
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 : 16:48:07
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
I think, yes, it is. I really like the cosmology with its onion-structure, with prime material and shadow plane as its twin core, and surrounded by the Maestrom with the Abyss.
I think the cosmology is cool too. Not that I'm biased or anything. ;) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 : 17:07:04
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OOOO! Cool! I can maybe use that info in combination with the box set that came out in.... 2006. Gods, it's that long already!
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Someone seeking information on the City of Brass? Look no further, this instalment of the Pathfinder Adventure Path Legacy of Fire features an article on the famed city by Wolfgang Baur. I think there is at least one loremaster in this very halls who will be thriled ...
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Kuje
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 : 17:08:42
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No Shemmy, not at alllllllllll are your biased.
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Originally posted by Shemmy
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
I think, yes, it is. I really like the cosmology with its onion-structure, with prime material and shadow plane as its twin core, and surrounded by the Maestrom with the Abyss.
I think the cosmology is cool too. Not that I'm biased or anything. ;)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 : 23:34:04
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Someone seeking information on the City of Brass? Look no further, this instalment of the Pathfinder Adventure Path Legacy of Fire features an article on the famed city by Wolfgang Baur. I think there is at least one loremaster in this very halls who will be thriled ...
That looks really, really good! 
It also helps that I'm quickly becoming a fan of Vaughan's terrific work.
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Quale
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Posted - 17 Dec 2008 : 17:52:33
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-I trust you more than anyone to give me an assessment of what you think concerning the cosmology and planes and deities and such. How is it? Worth taking a look at and picking through?
I didn't see the question
yea, sure it's worth, it only has 60 pages, but almost without useless information like in F&P
In short hundreds of gods have followers on Golarion, twenty most famous gods get two pages each, one page describing the church . The difference is that the racial pantheons aren't so separated. E.g. half of the followers of Torag (who is like Moradin in a way) are humans, or there's one deity that only accepts elves as followers. A lot of adventure/campaign ideas and unresolved mysteries are inserted in the stories and they aren't too epic. Even the magic part seems fresh, I usually skip magic items in the books. There are no ''Dogma'' parts, that I miss. In a way most dogmas are included in the deity description part.
so the gods are
Abadar, god of cities, wealth, merchants, and law, interesting symbol, kinda masonic, his followers promote the advancement of civilization, interesting heralds (golden gargantuan construct etc., btw all gods have mentioned heralds and notable servants, they are all weird and inspiring), Better than Waukeen 5/5 beholders
Asmodeus is different, doesn't seem that evil. ''some say that when the world was forged, Asmodeus wrote the contract of creation, agreed to by the gods.'' Personally I don't like the idea of Asmodeus being god, and dealing so much with them. But it's acceptable, one some planets he could be worshipped as a god, you can connect it with the old Asmodeus, developing a distinct personality for this place. 4/5
Calistria, trickery, lust, revenge. Elven primary deity, I'd say it's a good choice for them, more cruel. Associated with wasps (lot of insectoid symbolism overall, that's OK for a change/uniqueness). Has a hypersexualized chaos beast among notable servants, that's odd. Other than the wasp thing (don't like the colors), one of the most interesting choices for clerics, particularly cause of ''the freedom to pursue what one desire'' dogma. 4/5
Cayden Cailean of freedom, ale, wine, and bravery. Cool character, became a god while drunk. No hierarchy among the clergy. 5/5
Desna of dreams, stars, travelers, and luck. Looking at the portfolios what's not to like. Butterfly symbolism, something like Selune/Sehanine without the moon. 4/5
Erastil of farming, hunting, trade, and family. Kinda like Abadar but of the wilderness. I like that he has paleolithic roots, but has evolved with the followers. 4/5
Gorum of strength, battle, and weapons. Classical CN war god, not favoring sides. I don't like Tempus, this one isn't any better.
Gozreh nature, weather, and the sea. Interesting dualistic god, air/water, male/female. Like it better than Silvanus (except the name), who seems less active. 4/5
Iomedae of valor, rulership, justice, and honor. Don't like the symbol. Typical paladin/fight evil deity. Meh, better to have Torm or our alternate Anachtyr. Some nice details about the church though.
Irori of history, knowledge, and self-perfection. Seems like just another monk god, needed something particular on the type of food, meditation or practices the followers take.
Lamashtu of madness, monsters, and nightmares. Scary backstory (involves infants), Mother of monsters, but better than Hesiod's. 5/5
Nethys of Magic. Twofaced, I like Mystra more, better than Boccob and alike gods tough. Nice artwork. Needs more fluff to be on par with Mystra.
Norgorber, of greed, secrets, poison, and murder. Followers go to great lengths to obscure his mortal life, cause discovering Reaper's true nature might undone him. - Nice plot. 4/5
Pharasma of fate, death, prophecy, and birth. Well thought-out goddess of death. Appropriately distant from the world. 5/5
Ravagug, wants to destroy everything. It's seems simplistic, but it's a decent story. Asmodeus likes to taunt the Rough Beast with his prisons key, lol.
Sarenrae, of the sun, redemption, honesty, and healing. 4/5, would be great addition to Calishite pantheon if importing to FR.
Shelyn of beauty, art, love, and music. Good choice for hair (not that Sune's imo). Strange favorite weapon, glaive, but the backstory with her brother makes up for it. 4/5
Torag, of the forge, protection, and strategy. Don't like the name, the artwork. He's not the too similar to Moradin, but still nothing special.
Urgathoa of of gluttony, disease, and undeath. Don't know, it's decent, interesting part is when she's pleased some of her rewards are good (seemingly), like food tastes better.
Zon-Kuthon of envy, pain, darkness, and loss. Mix Loviatar and a bit of Shar, I guess he doesn't have much followers, only really mad people. But there are good examples of how the portfolios are fulfilled (e.g. A craftsman achieves perfection in his work only after his obsession drives away all he loves). Interesting origin story (controlled Cthulu-like entity) and artwork. 5/5
then there some are lesser known gods who have short descriptions, some particularly interesting:
Alseta - acting as a domain steward for absent powers or as a hostess for gatherings of the divine, teleportation, elf gates
Milani - followers believe that they'll be reborn through martyrdom, able to access memories of past lives with the proper magic and meditation
Naderi - goddess of romantic suicides
Therym - frost giant god
etc.
the cosmology, better to wait until the planar book comes out to pass judgement, however there's some info in the campaign book:
The format of the planes is ok, similar to the old one but more neat. I'm not a fan of elemental planes being equally represented like the plames of belief. I still use our home format, any new lore is always welcomed.
Air - there are mysterious great spheres of iron and bronze, we'll see how that develops. Hopefully more involving the Air element.
Earth - shaitans (dao) war with efreets, gem dragons, mineral planar trade, interesting ...
Fire - I'd like to see more about the theocratic nation of fire mephits, and efreet are there, not new
Water - worth mentioning that there's partially submerged (air bubble) city of Azlant (Atlantis) descendants having some marid/mephit/elemental ''blood''
Material - nice short, mysterious desciption, better than Toril's solar system
Positive - embryonic gods, transcendent angelic beings singing souls into existence
Astral - outsiders go into conflicts over soul destinations, that has potential, interesting that the night hags are from the Ethereal
Outer planes - don't like the names, particularly Abbadon (seems like a person, not a place), Hell (just Hell), Nirvana (Clockwork Nirvana of Mechanus confusion), Elysium (too Greek, not consistent with other names, another alignment confusion, now CG), Heaven (just Heaven, doesn't sound magical)
Abaddon - would be nice to have yugoloths and daemons in one place, one as supposedly the oldest and the other as the youngest fiendish race,
Hell - don't know why Geryon is a serpent, why is the seventh hell icy (flies and ice is odd), I like that Mammon is in Dis' sewers
other planes seem fine, particularly like the empyreal lords (better than old upper planes lords, except Morwel), the proteans (slaadi replacement), different Chronias, and the dualistic nature of NG plane
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Lord Karsus
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Shemmy
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Posted - 18 Dec 2008 : 18:09:47
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Thanks for the review.
I second that. :)
I'll admit that I'm nervous about the cosmology's reception, since it's the first major freelancing work I've had that level of creative input on. Any feedback -positive or negative- is awesome, and will help me get better.
As for the planar names, those were already in place when I was handed the project. That and the general sphere inside sphere shape of the overall cosmology was handed to me, with me then getting to elaborate on the planes, their natives, etc.
And yes, assuming it doesn't face the editorial chainsaw, you'll find out more about those metal spheres in Elemental Air, the theocratic fire mephit queendom, and other fun stuff. :) |
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Quale
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Posted - 03 Jan 2009 : 21:01:14
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forgot to mention, the empyreal lords seem much more interesting (with their short descriptions) than most celestial paragons (except eladrins), each one is very unique, and seem more accessible, and they have names from various cultures, like Sinashakti, not just biblical
I really don't care for Sealtiel, Zaphkiel, whatever
also Nocticulan assassin guilds inspire lots of ideas, more similar connections with the Prime would be nice
about the plane inhabitants, axiomites seem incredible, like evolved moignos, and like that Axis is more agressive and oriented towards non-lawful planes than Mechanus
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 06:23:48
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Paizo has revealed the cover for the Pathfinder RPG in yesterday's blog:
picture by Wayne Reynolds.
So, let's see:
We have a sword - check
we have sorcery - check
we have a dragon - check
and it is taking place in a dungeon - check
Ok, perfect. |
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"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
Varl
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 06:47:28
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Paizo has revealed the cover for the Pathfinder RPG in yesterday's blog:
picture by Wayne Reynolds.
So, let's see:
We have a sword - check
we have sorcery - check
we have a dragon - check
and it is taking place in a dungeon - check
Ok, perfect.
You forgot to notate the presence of an attractive female with a notable mammalian heritage, in revealing (and certainly impractical!) clothing. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 06:56:58
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Paizo has revealed the cover for the Pathfinder RPG in yesterday's blog:
picture by Wayne Reynolds.
So, let's see:
We have a sword - check
we have sorcery - check
we have a dragon - check
and it is taking place in a dungeon - check
Ok, perfect.
I've always been a fan of Reynolds' art. And this time is no exception. I can't wait for this grand tome to adorn my gaming shelf. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 11:28:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Paizo has revealed the cover for the Pathfinder RPG in yesterday's blog:
picture by Wayne Reynolds.
So, let's see:
We have a sword - check
we have sorcery - check
we have a dragon - check
and it is taking place in a dungeon - check
Ok, perfect.
You forgot to notate the presence of an attractive female with a notable mammalian heritage, in revealing (and certainly impractical!) clothing.
Uh ... better not to be too loud about it ... lest there will be another outcry because of the exploitation of the female body by sexist gamers ... |
"What mattered our lives now? When our world had been torn from us? Folk wept, or drank, or stood staring out over the land, wondering what new horror each dawn would bring."
Elender Stormfall of Suzail
"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
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Uzzy
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 12:47:18
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I rather dislike the cover. Never been impressed with WAR's work, never found it inspiring, or interesting. He's no doubt skilled, but his work has never done anything for me, and Paizo's reliance upon him for the artwork is one minor disappointment.
I'd have prefered the faux tome cover, like the ones for the 3.5 Core Books and the FRCS. Or maybe a cover by Todd Lockwood or even Michael Komarck.
It's certainly an annoyance, but I'm looking forward to what's within the book rather then just the cover. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 15:03:56
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| Err...which picture? I saw tons of pictures on that page. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 15:44:23
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
*ahem*
The one with the bathhouse. Taking it Easy
That's for a caption contest, though, and it doesn't fit the description mentioned earlier:
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
We have a sword - check
we have sorcery - check
we have a dragon - check
and it is taking place in a dungeon - check
Ok, perfect.
I was trying to see the cover for the RPG book. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 15:45:51
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The blog post about the cover is gone - with the cover picture. But it was discovered just a few days before the blog went online, see this thread, Link in the first post.
Now, the Seoni as Santa picture is something completely different ... (as is the bathtub ...) |
"What mattered our lives now? When our world had been torn from us? Folk wept, or drank, or stood staring out over the land, wondering what new horror each dawn would bring."
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"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 15:46:51
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| Ahh, thank you. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 15:56:08
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I had thought you were joking about it (the bathtub) being the cover of the RPG since I didn't see that article.
This is pretty good. They probably pulled it from the site though so they can 'tweak' it a bit before it's finalized. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Brimstone
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 21:37:12
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Paizo has revealed the cover for the Pathfinder RPG in yesterday's blog:
picture by Wayne Reynolds.
So, let's see:
We have a sword - check
we have sorcery - check
we have a dragon - check
and it is taking place in a dungeon - check
Ok, perfect.
-I saw that on the Paizo Forums. I like it. Now that I am banished from the WotC Forums    I am finding my self going there alot. (Along with other forums) I forgot how enlightening Enworld/Paizo/Candlekeep/Green Ronin/Monte Cook can be.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 18:59:18
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imis999
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 22:59:26
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 23:04:59
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::Looks at his Rise of the Runelords and Second Darkness sets of adventures, his copies of Guide to Korvosa, Into the Darklands, Guide to Absalom, Gods and Magic, Osirion: Land of Pharaohs, Elves of Golarion, his folder full of printed out PDFs of Pathfinder Society adventures and his game bag with the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting packed up for the convention this weekend::
I have no idea what you might be implying . . . |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 23:12:17
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-I am about half and half. Got my subcriptions going, buying up what ever 3E material I can find that I dont have (other companies included) and getting the 4E material that comes out.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 00:04:03
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Originally posted by imis999
I have a question. Does anyone but me have most of their gaming dollars now going to Paizo instead of WotC?
Paizo - At least $20 a month
WotC - Less than $0 a month
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 03:09:48
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Considering I haven't bought a Wizards book since the Grand Hist and I have all, or most, of the current Paizo material or it's on order, I'd say yes, most of my money goes to Paizo now. :)
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I have a question. Does anyone but me have most of their gaming dollars now going to Paizo instead of WotC?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 05:09:32
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quote:
Originally posted by imis999
I have a question. Does anyone but me have most of their gaming dollars now going to Paizo instead of WotC?
Actually, most of my gaming dollars goes to Catalyst Game Labs these days... for Classic BattleTech and Shadowrun stuff.
I still spend a minute portion of my well-earned gold pieces on Wizards products, though mostly for the Star Wars Saga RPG. I've not purchased any of the 4e releases since the core-rulebooks, which I bought a few months ago -- and then, only because they were on sale with heavy discounts.
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