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PaulBestwick
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 Posted - 29 Apr 2008 : 22:35:45
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Just noticed that according to Faiths and Pantheons Kossuth has a favoured weapon of spiked chain. Given that spiked chain is a 3.x invention which I have banned from my realms, what lore is out there to support a different favoured weapon for Kossuth? I looked in Faiths and Avatars, but could not find anything to support any weapon over another.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2008 : 23:47:53
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| Daggers could resemble tongues of flame, as could the tines of a trident, or the spikes on the head of a flail. Just a couple of ideas. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 01:15:06
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I don't immediately recall any other specific favored weapon listed for Kossuth in previous lore.
The Firewalkers, as specialty priests of Kossuth, do utilise bludgeoning weapons however. Though, a specific bludgeoning weapon is not listed. But this could reflect some martial part of the Kossuthan faith with respect to weaponry or weapon-types. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 01:24:54
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| Remember too that a priest doesn't have to use his deity's favored weapon. |
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Faraer
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 01:29:23
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| Kossuth is a giant fire elemental: any favoured weapon of his priesthood is going to be a (generally local) fantasy, a social construct. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 01:33:07
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Originally posted by Faraer
Kossuth is a giant fire elemental: any favoured weapon of his priesthood is going to be a (generally local) fantasy, a social construct.
Heh, good point. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 01:42:18
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Originally posted by The Sage
I don't immediately recall any other specific favored weapon listed for Kossuth in previous lore.
The Firewalkers, as specialty priests of Kossuth, do utilise bludgeoning weapons however. Though, a specific bludgeoning weapon is not listed. But this could reflect some martial part of the Kossuthan faith with respect to weaponry or weapon-types.
There is one recent weapon I can think of related to Kossuth Sage. It is found in Rich Baker's Thar article. The orcs of "The Burning Daggers" use it as a symbol for Kossuth: a Dagger (obviously...from their name  )
Then there are Kossuth's priestly assassins...don't remember their name off hand and have packed away nearly anything not related to 1st Edition Realms a couple of days ago...but I'm pretty sure they use the Dagger too. |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 02:25:20
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 08:01:57
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Originally posted by PaulBestwick
Just noticed that according to Faiths and Pantheons Kossuth has a favoured weapon of spiked chain. Given that spiked chain is a 3.x invention which I have banned from my realms, what lore is out there to support a different favoured weapon for Kossuth? I looked in Faiths and Avatars, but could not find anything to support any weapon over another.
Ha! I banned that weapon too!
Besides, I do not quite understand why it would be the favorite weapon of Kossuth, him being a fire elemental that usually does not even use weapons at all....
Other than that, the old lore supports 'bludgeoning weapons' but no specific one. I would deem a mace, flail or morningstar to be fitting, resembling the 'mighty fists of Kossuth'. Even more so once the weapon has been enchanted with the 'burning' ability. |
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 09:03:01
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The spiked chain was chosen because it was conceived as a "tendril of flame."
Your obvious choices would then be a whip, or a morning star (closest to a spiked chain in 2nd Edition, and fitting with rules for Clerics to boot).
Flaming oil is of course an option for ranged attack, as ShadezofDis recommended. |
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PaulBestwick
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 13:15:15
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I am actually thinking about not having a favoured weapon after seeing the comments, but might tweak the fire domain so that produce flame is actually the 1st level spell. The have Flaming Sphere be the 2nd level spell and drop burning hands from the fire domain list.
Anything I have suggested overpowered or unbalanced ? |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 01 May 2008 : 03:52:42
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| The Black Flame Zealots use kukris... I'd use those as official weapons of the faith... |
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Wyvernspur
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 May 2008 : 04:17:19
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I'd go for a Kris(wavy bladed dagger)
I really don't think spiked chain fits with the motif though or even belongs in the game at all. I realize it's a fantasy but some weapons that have been added are just ridiculous.
You could have them wield some kind of flaming torches or a hollow morning star filled with oil(which could get a little messy but what's a 3rd degree burn in the name of the Fire Lord)
I would also say flaming swords would definitely be on the list.
Whips while kinda like a tongue of flame are just not the motif I see Kossuth having(More Lovitar).
I like Kossuth as a deity he has some great potential for story lines
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 02 May 2008 : 16:03:29
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The best symbolic weapon used by worshippers would probably be a wavy blade, as others have said, but fire would be preferable. Some sort of ritualistic burning of the body ( even a slight singe ) would probably be involved if possible.
There could of course also be of-shot cults where any such violent use of the holy flame would be seen as the uttermost blasphemy. |
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TheArchPriest
Acolyte
Brazil
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Posted - 03 May 2008 : 04:22:10
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Hey leave the talking about Kossuth to the specialist here!
Black Flame Zealots use kukris and the occasional poisoned dagger and of course flames lots of them
Something (can't remember what) says that the chain was selected because it was the closest thing to Kossuth's real weapon a tentacle of flame
But if you don't want to use it choose anything that resembles fire |
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