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Gelcur
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 Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 05:38:00
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When did goods from Maztica first begin appearing in Faerun? I know Balduran made a trip to there a long time back but I assume it was sort of a one time thing.
And I know Amn established a settlement there in 1361 DR. So were not available at all before this time period?
On a related note, does anyone know the approximate travel time to Maztica and the travel time back? If the settlement was created in 1361 DR could returning vessels have taken even longer to get back?
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 07:53:03
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Concerning the traveling time this can be found in the Maztica Campaign Set DMG p. 47:
'The Trackless Sea is no longer quite so trackless, thanks to the recent voyages of exploration. The route between Helmsport and Murann now sees several dozen voyages a year.
Cordell and the Golden Legion made this crossing in some forty days, which is about typical for the Sword Coast to Maztica route. It takes about sixty days to sail back, due to the easterly current. A wortherly route of return can save fifteen days on this trip, but
requires sailing dangerously close to the random teleporters surrounding Evermeet; most sailors prefer to invest the extra fifteen days to insure a safer passage.' |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 13:27:56
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| Balduran made two trips there. On his first return to Faerûn, he used the wealth he'd brought back to build a wall around the port city that now bears his name. Then he went back, and never returned. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 14:32:31
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| And the goods are mainly coffee beans and gold right? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 14:38:50
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Kuje
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 15:58:32
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 16:10:19
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| A bunch of tlincalli exported themselves from Maztica... Do they count as goods? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Apr 2008 : 17:03:30
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| Actually, an entire tlincallis hive-city was transported into the Underdark beneath the nation of Amn. So there were likely plenty of stinger-goodies that they brought with them; items and objects no one in the Realms has seen before. Provided Realms-based traders can get access to some of these exotic items, they're bound to fetch a fair price in any curios shop or trading vender. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 15 Apr 2008 : 19:43:47
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There was another route throught the Underdark as well - warring Dwarves and Drow 'accidentally' caved in a section of a cavern they were fighting in, and could not make their way back to Faerûn proper, so instead travelled the rest of the way to Maztica (most probably seperately). That is why there are small settlements of both in Maztica.
The Tlincallis originally were tunneling all the way to Faerûn, but that was retconned into them performing a magical ritual that teleported the bunch of them to a place beneath Amn (their city was not teleported... they took over a deserted Dwarven City from Lost Shanatar and converted it to fit their own forms {Und}). I have mused that both pieces of lore are actually correct - the were travelling through the same set of tunnels used by the drow and dwarves before them, but when they encountered the collapsed cavern, they opted for the magical ritual to complete their journey. 
Also, the demigod Monkey has lead at least two seperate groups to Maztica from kara-Tur (one through the Underdark, the other through the "Land of the Dead"). That means people from Kara-Tur are 'aware' of Maztica, and more then likely both Shou and Wa have explored parts of it (they have Spelljammers, remember?).
Another major 'export' are people and creatures. As unsavory as that sounds, the GHotR accounts for several groups being transported to Faerûn as 'oddities' and slaves.
I think they Cuatls (sp?) can also be considered an 'export', by the Chultan God Ubtao - not sure though, don't have any sources handy.
Of course, considering Maztica itself is gone in 4e, all of this becomes irrelevent.  |
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Afetbinttuzani
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 04:15:08
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My son asked me today if his character could use his instrument proficiency to play the ocarina. I can´t think of a reason why not. The ocarina is an ancient instrument that could come to Faerun via the Kara-Tur (China) or Maztica (Mesoamerica). Does anyone know if the ocarina has been mentioned anywhere in FR lore or D&D in general?
In any case, I would suggest the ocarina as another possible product trade good from Maztica.
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 06:09:30
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| Yes, there is a reference. Galandor's Glassworks, a small shop in Kirinwood, in Cormyr, fashions "ornamental pieces that contain air chambers and holes that allow them to be played as tiny ocarinalike musical instruments." [src: Volo's Guide to Cormyr pg. 94] |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 17:46:54
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Well, the ocarina also could have come from a far-away land called Hyrule.
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 18:30:39
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Well, that was, of course, the source of my eleven year old's request. He has been practicing all of the Zelda tunes on the piano, the trumpet and the recorder...over and over. My nerves are admittedly beginning to wear thin 
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 18:34:41
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Well, that was, of course, the source of my eleven year old's request. He has been practicing all of the Zelda tunes on the piano, the trumpet and the recorder...over and over. My nerves are admittedly beginning to wear thin
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 20:46:47
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Cotton, according to Aurora's Whole Realms Catalog, is also an import from Maztica, which dates that book to 1361 or later, and makes cotton in Faerun before 1360 an anachronism. (Note that I said Faerun. Spelljamming cultures such as Netheril or Shou Lung may well have imported it directly without ever revealing the existence of the far continent, as the Amnians have done.)
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 20:52:12
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Originally posted by Alisttair
And the goods are mainly coffee beans and gold right?
There is also an import from The City of Gold module which isn't gold, but looks like it, and is more valuable than gold.
SPOILER:It adds bonuses to any summoning spell.
And that's all I'll say about that, except that it's a darn fine adventure!
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Faraer
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 21:26:50
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Cotton, according to Aurora's Whole Realms Catalog, is also an import from Maztica, which dates that book to 1361 or later, and makes cotton in Faerun before 1360 an anachronism.
Does it say all cotton is from Maztica? If so, it's a rogue error, unless you value Aurora's over the Old Grey Box and several other earlier and later books. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 23:06:05
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| And while the Realms does not equal the real world, cotton in the real world wasn't only a "New World" plant (it was cultivated in ancient India, for example). I think this is important to mention precisely because Maztica is so derivative of real world Central and South America. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 01:29:04
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Originally posted by Faraer
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Cotton, according to Aurora's Whole Realms Catalog, is also an import from Maztica, which dates that book to 1361 or later, and makes cotton in Faerun before 1360 an anachronism.
Does it say all cotton is from Maztica? If so, it's a rogue error, unless you value Aurora's over the Old Grey Box and several other earlier and later books.
Indeed. Cotton is also imported from Saradush and Cormyr, for example. And there are references elsewhere in previous sources.
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Gelcur
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 01:51:53
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Thanks everyone for all the feedback.
It seems every agrees that before 1361 DR that most of the Maztica only goods would be super rare or non-existent which is what I suspected. |
The party come to a town befallen by hysteria
Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
DM: There is a lot of stuff.
Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
Rogue: We'll take it all, we may need it for the greater good. |
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ShadezofDis
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 12:47:09
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Even after 1361 they'd be rare, just not unheard of.
Maztica is still pretty far away. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 15:37:29
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| Uh Oh, Cotton.....I'm surprised the realms 4.0 doesn't have paper money (or do they??????) |
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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 23:36:06
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You might want to use the gradual decrease in the prices of firearms from the Forgotten Realms Adventures hardcover book from 1990, as a model for the gradual decrease in the prices of "exotic" goods from Maztica (or anywhere else, for that matter, just adjusting the years). For example, from 1361 to 1364 Maztican goods might cost ten times the listed price, from 1365 to 1368 twice the listed price, and thereafter (as competition has increased and Faerunians no longer see the items as exotic), the normal list price.
Just a suggestion.
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 19 Apr 2008 : 16:24:46
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Originally posted by The Sage
Yes, there is a reference. Galandor's Glassworks, a small shop in Kirinwood, in Cormyr, fashions "ornamental pieces that contain air chambers and holes that allow them to be played as tiny ocarinalike musical instruments." [src: Volo's Guide to Cormyr pg. 94]
Thank you, Sage. I've produced a stub for the Ocarina on the FR Wiki:
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Ocarina |
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