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The Sage
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 Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 12:46:51
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I think the Star Elves are a fascinating addition to the world of FR. Also, this extraplanar realm - Sildeyuir - that is their refuge from the Realms is very interesting, and has a lot of potential for campaign usage. I think it would be interesting, as well as fun, to hypothesize about where the Star Elves originally came from, since, although they are not outsiders, they are not native to Faerun.
What are your ideas on all of this?.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 12:50:00
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| Having not read Unapproachable East, I have no idea what they are. I never heard of them until yesterday, actually. Do you think you could give some information on them? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 13:06:26
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No problems.
They are basically a race of ancient elves who once inhabited the Yuirwood in Aglarond, but when the approaching race of humanity started claiming the lands north of Old Unther, they retreated into a specially crafted demiplane created by the Star Elven High Mages. Called Sildeyuir, the realm was the Elves refuge for two thousand years until it started to be invaded and claimed by a race of alien sorcerers called Nilshai.
Now the Star Elves are returning to the Realms seeking allies to assist them in their war against these creatures and reclaim the lost portions of their demiplane. The entry also states that the Elves are not native to Faerun, but does not give any details as to where they may have come from.
They are alot like standard elves in terms of abilities and characteristics, however they have one special ability unique to the race for been exposed to the demiplane environment. The ability allows them to apply ghost touch to weapons and armor in their possession from sunset to sunrise. However, they are effected by banish, dismissal and similiar effects even though they are not outsiders. They are instead banished to Sildeyuir, which suggests that they are not a native race to Faerun.
I think that is about it.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 13:17:20
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| I can't find ghost touch in the Spell Compendium. What's it do? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 14:19:51
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Ghost Touch isn't a spell. It's an ability.
Here's a description from the SRD
Ghost Touch
A ghost touch weapon deals damage normally against incorporeal creatures, regardless of its bonus. (An incorporeal creature’s
50% chance to avoid damage does not apply to ghost touch weapons.) Further, it can be picked up and moved by incorporeal
creatures at any time. A manifesting ghost can wield the weapon against corporeal foes. Essentially, a ghost touch weapon
counts as either corporeal or incorporeal at any given time, whichever is more beneficial to the wielder.
Hope that helps,
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 14:23:50
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Ah. Okay, I see.
Good thing I found out now -- I had a 'phantom's dagger' on my list to send in to the Shop.  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 14:29:47
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Actually I have never really taken that much notice of this ability, and right now I can see that I regret that. It is an interesting ability, and one that could perhaps have made the Brooch of the Unseen in the Magic Shop all the more useful.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 04:54:12
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I also think that the Star Elves are a well thought out addition to the Realms. They have copped some flak due to being another "come back from another plane" change in 3E (Shade being the other), but I think given the isolationism of the Yuir this facet is consistent and no problem.
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The Sage
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Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 06:58:18
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I agree. Their entire basis for isolationism, the way it was described and the way it was handled in the book, has really been well contructed. I am sure it will warrant (I hope), much attention, for use in adventures and accessories in the future.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 10:13:08
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| Hmm, that's good. I confess I was worried about that, given the basic dislike for the whole Shade storyline. I haven't read it myself (and how I wish I could blame Alaundo for that, with all the work he's assigned me, but I can't do that . . . ), so I don't have an opinion on it myself. |
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The Sage
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 10:49:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth
I seem to be in the minority for having liked the whole idea of the 'Shade' storyline  .
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Ill stand with you on this one, Sage. Youre not alone Not wanting to get off topic on this, but what is the current situation? Seems to have been left hanging (literally!) after the RotAW trilogy. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 10:53:44
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Not according to my campaign. I am using them for my Silver Marches campaign. The campaign is still continuing and the amount of information I have created about the whole thing dwarf's my previous amount record set with my Underdark campaign last year.
The offensive the Shades recently launched in the Silver Marches has seen the focus of power shift from the Heartlands, to the North.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 01:55:34
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I didn't mind the Shade premise, my problem was with its scope. It smacked of being shoe-horned in to suit the FR novel writers (Troy bows up Faerun again, hurrah!).
When I say scope, I mean the concept of a whole CITY of Netherese with a fully functioning mythallar (which I would argue shouldn't operate in a post-fall of Netheril world of magic ... but that's another debate) coming back to the Realms. I would have preferred some subtlety. In other words, a group (let's say 20-30) citizens of Shade who survive a return to Faerun after the destruction of their city by ... well, the malaugrym spring to mind. That way we could have had the shade aspect brought into FR 3E (and I'm guessing Shade was brought back to give everyone a chance to play a shade template or shadow weave spellcaster etc.) without having the whole climate and geography of Anauroch disrupted, Tilverton nuked (too bad if you had your campaign set there, eh?), and Evereska decimated.
Small and subtle is always easier to incorporate into the Realms than big and in your face. That's my 2 cp at least.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 02:29:49
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I like small and subtle. I've always thought that that sort of thing was the best part of the Realms -- its focus on smaller areas, not necessarily world-changing in its scope. Notice that everyone's favorite characters are all like that. Most people have never heard of Drizzt, or Arilyn, or Alias. No need to have the ground shake under the weight of fame each time a character takes a step.
(Oh, and for a moment I'd thought you said Tiverton was nuked . . . I used to live there. Tiverton, RI.) |
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Edain Shadowstar
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 05:34:47
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I admit, I really did not likr the 'triumphant' return of Shade. Talk about coming in with a bang. Tilverton gone, Cormyr, still reeling from the Ghazneth Crisis (you know Azoun and Tanalastra getting killed and most of the Purple Dragons slaughtered), gets smacked around some more. Waterdeep and the North gets frozen into a block of ice, and Evereska one of the last Elven lands on the continent get brought to the edge of destruction, and saved but catch 22 the mythal gets corrupted with Shadow Magic. Real subtle plot hole, I almost missed it, except it was glaringly obvious. All I can say is overkill; I mean literally Troy Denning has killed too many people in his books. Way too many. But, we're talking about Star Elves, aren't we?
I agree with Sage when he calls them a "fascinating addition to the world of FR". They definately add a new flavor to the Eastern Realms. Also, just so everyone is clear, the Star Elves aren't the only Elves who aren't native to Toril. All Elves are plane-hoppers, the others have just been here for a while so they aren't as foreign. But they're still not from here (the Realms), originally. If you're looking for source material the most recent is Races of Faerun, although it's been established they're not native to Toril since back in 2e. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 08:07:33
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I have to agree with the premise of small and subtle. I think this is what makes FR distinctive among the rest of the campaign settings.
In fact I made every effort to tone down the effects of the return of Shade in my campaign. It wasn't easy, but the reward was that the distinctiveness of the Realms that I mentioned earlier remained intact.
And to answer Edain - Yes, actually I was aware of the fact that Elves are not native to Faerun, and I also believe (having read it somewhere???) that several other races are non-native as well.
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The Sage
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Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 15:29:40
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Thanks Alaundo, I must have walked straight past the bookcases holding these scrolls. I was too busy reading Alaundo's Guide to All Things Mysterious .
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jun 2003 : 05:06:13
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As I understand it, Green Elves are indigenous to Faerun. Gold and Moon elves came from Faerie as per Elaine's Evermeet novel, and Copper elves (or Wood elves) have developed over time with the inter-mixing of Green elves and the newcomer elves. At least that's what Races of Faerun seems to be telling me ...
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Edain Shadowstar
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Posted - 09 Jun 2003 : 22:47:01
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| Not to get all up in your face but refer to page 27 George. Paragraph two under the heading Racial History; "The first elves to arrive were the Sy-tel-quessir (green elves), the Sy-tel-quessir (lythari), and the Aril-tel-quessir (avariel)." The next arrivals were the Ar-tel-quessir (gold elves), Teu-tel-quessir (silver elves), and the Alu-tel-quessir (aquatic elves). However you are correct about the copper elves, they are native to Toril, having been created by the mixing of older elven bloodlines (pg.45 RoF). By the way, a while back I remember coming accross some reference to lythari in established material, but I cannot seem to find the reference right now, so if anyone knows of one, let me know. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 05:04:56
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Yep, you are absolutely right Edain. I must confess I only skim read the elves section in RoF, concentrating on Eric's Human stuff. Serves me right!
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 09:53:07
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I am searching for your reference Edain. I remember reading that particular reference also, but there is nothing in the official material except what's listed in Races of Faerun. I'll keep checking, I know it is somewhere...
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zemd
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Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 08:53:22
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Just this new elf race make me want to buy Unapproachable East.
<zemd checks her purse, seeing it a little bit flat she grumbles>
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 09:00:46
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It is definitely worth it zemd. Two of my players chose Star Elves as PC's a short while after I purchased Unapproachable East. One chose a Bard class, the other a Sorcerer. Judging from their behaviour during role-playing sessions, they both seem to be having a lot of fun. They are both 7th level characters, although the Sorcerer Star Elf PC is about to join Sigil's Entropist Guild based out of Waterdeep in order to fulfill the requirements to gain the 'Order of the Dead' PrC (of the Dustmen faction from Planescape).
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 09:12:40
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| Um . . . a Waterdeep guild operating out of Sigil? Huh? And how can there be a Planescape PrC if the 3e version hasn't come out yet? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 09:25:41
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WHOOPS  !!!.
That should have been 'Sigil's Entropist Guild operating out of Waterdeep'.
And as for the 'Order of the Dead' PrC, it was a class kit from 2e Planescape that some of the creators of 3e PS thought about converting and putting into the new edition. We spent several days brainstorming on the idea and eventually came up with this PrC.
In some of the preview release material I will soon send to you by ethereal mail, you will see what I am talking about.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 09:33:50
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Okay, that clears it up.
(And I should have known you'd be one of the people working on the 3e PS project; I just hadn't thought about it . . .  ) |
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 10:04:34
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It is not so much as working on it. Many other notable and well-known Planescape fans (known at least in the general Planescape online community) have been hard at work on the actual setting. I (along with many other Planescape players) simply have provided ideas, some notes, and a few articles every now and then.
Actually if you are interested, I can send you (by ethereal mail) a general Planescape community production just recently released. It is a free ezine (mostly fluff) that serves as a great jumping off point for new players to the upcoming Planescape 3e.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 10:08:11
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Certainly. That other one whet my appetite.
Too bad the Realms doesn't have more of this stuff in it. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 10:18:54
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It really all depends which DM is running your FR campaign. As you know my FR campaign has plenty of PS influence, and with the addition to FR of the Star Elves, that influence has become much easier to incorporate.
Also, you may find this link interesting, due to it's planar theme.
As for the ezine, I am sending the 'site for download' link now, just click on it, and it should start the download immediately.
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