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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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 Posted - 12 May 2004 : 16:47:53
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| Just making sure I got permission and all. Sage, go ahead-I'm always interested in yours and Bookwyrm's comments and ideas. |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2004 : 18:07:56
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Originally posted by Arivia
Sage, can I grab this? If I can, you're likely going to see a *class*, not a PrC, based around incantations instead of normal spellcasting. It's been an idea I've been tinkering with for awhile, and this just *might* make it work. Artalis and Bookwyrm, mind if I steal your contributions to finish off the Grovewarden of Eldath?
I would be thrilled to see you use something I had a hand in creating. Just let me know how it works out. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 06:55:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Arivia
Sage, go ahead-I'm always interested in yours and Bookwyrm's comments and ideas.
I will certainly do that, just give me some time to make the entries generalised enough. I've made them campaign-specific you see, and that will make them difficult to use in the Realms unless they are altered.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2004 : 13:03:50
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Here's those other features Arivia -
Mystic Insight: By virtue of years of intense meditative training, the [Insert Class Name] is taught how to handle magic items with a relatively wide margin of safety. Furthermore, having to deal with magic books, he can eventually get to the simplest basics of arcane memorization.
- At 1st level, the [Insert Class Name] gains a strong confidence with magic items, which allows him to take 10 when performing Use Magic Device checks
- At 4th level, the [Insert Class Name] develops a supernatural danger sense which warns him if something is going wrong with his attempts to activate a magic item; when the [Insert Class Name] suffers a mishap activating a magic device blindly, he's entitled to a Will Save (DC = 15 + spell's caster level). A successful roll denies the mishap's effects. (That also applies to mishaps due to casting a spell from a scroll whose spell's caster level is higher than the [Insert Class Name] level)
- At 7th level the [Insert Class Name] is so confident handling magic items that he adds his caster level to Use Magic Device checks
- At 10th level the [Insert Class Name] gains confidence even with complex magic texts. He can memorize from spellbooks or scrolls 1 spell/day as wizards do. (Never beyond 4th level spells)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 May 2004 : 13:09:14
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Naos: When he finds himself on holy ground, the [Insert Class Name] can summon his god's power in order to protest himself and keep the forbidden books and objects in his custody far from secular hands.
- At 3rd level the [Insert Class Name] can ward items casting Fire Trap. (It can be done a number of times equal to the [Insert Class Name] Wis mod. + Int mod./day)
- At 6th level the [Insert Class Name] can ward areas or objects casting Glyph of Warding. (It can be done a number of times equal to the [Insert Class Name] Wis mod./day)
- At 9th level the [Insert Class Name] can scribe a Symbol in the air or on some surface. (It can be done 1/day)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2004 : 13:12:15
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I don't know whether this will help you at all Arivia, but here's the idea I have regarding the [Insert Class Name] Spell list -
[Insert Class Name] Spell list.
(Spells progression as for the Assassin).
[Insert Class Name] choose their spells from the following list:
1st level - Alarm, Comprehend Languages, Detect Secret Doors, Hold Portal, True Strike
2nd level - Arcane Lock, Detect Thoughts, Locate Object, Obscure Object
3rd level - Claraudience/Clairvoyance, Dispel Magic, Explosive Runes, Nondetection
4th level - Divination, Freedom of Movement, Improved Invisibility, Stoneskin
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Sachiel
Acolyte
Australia
17 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 03:22:24
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I have several 'ancestor feats' that I have been working on, based on material presented in Oriental Adventures. Would anyone here be interested in seeing them? They may prove useful for those players wishing to use characters from the east, like Shou Lung, or the Kingdom of Wa.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 07:15:26
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Sachiel, were you aware of the recent 'Campaign Classics' issue of Dragon? It contained several ancestor feats for a 3e Kara-Tur environment.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2004 : 07:48:31
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Grand List of Skill Synergies
I thought this might be useful to people. If I've left anything out, made other mistakes, or if you have some ideas, let me know and I'll make the changes.
Entries in red are not official.
Five ranks in...
- Gives +2 to...
Appraise
- Barter
Autohypnosis
- Knowledge (psionics)
Bluff
- Barter
- Disguise when acting in character
- Diplomacy
- Intimidate
- Perform (acting)
- Slight of Hand
Barter
- Profession (merchant)
Craft (any one)
- Appraise when dealing with a result of that craft
Concentration
- Autohypnosis
Decipher Script
- Use Magic Device with scrolls
Escape Artist
- Use Rope when tying someone up
Handle Animal
- Ride
Jump
- Tumble
Knowledge (arcana)
- Spellcraft
Knowledge (architecture and engineering)
- Search to find hidden compartments, secret doors, traps
Knowledge (art)
- Appraise checks dealing with art objects.
Knowledge (dungeoneering)
- Survival while in an underground "wild" environment
Knowledge (geography)
- Survival to avoid natural hazards, keep from getting lost
Knowledge (local)
- Gather Information in that local area
Knowledge (nature)
- Survival in aboveground natural environments
Knowledge (nobility and royalty)
- Diplomacy
Knowledge (planes)
- Survival on other planes
Knowledge (psionics)
- Psicraft
Perform (acrobatics)
- Tumbling checks when performing in public
Perform (acting)
- Disguise when acting in character
Perform (dancing)
- Balance
Perform (oration)
- Diplomacy
Profession (herbalist)
- Heal when giving long-term care or treating disease or poison
Psicraft
- Use Psionic Device when using power stones
Search
- Survival when tracking
Sense Motive
- Diplomacy
Spellcraft
- Use Magic Device when deciphering scrolls
Survival
- Knowledge (nature)
Tumble
- Balance
- Jump
- Perform (juggling)
Use Magic Device
- Spellcraft when using scrolls
Use Psionic Device
- Psicraft when addressing power stones
Use Rope
- Balance checks with rope
- Climb checks with rope
- Escape Artist checks with rope
Get +2 to...
- By having five ranks in...
Appraise
- Craft (any one) when appraising a result of that craft
- Knowledge (art) when appraising art objects
Autohypnosis
- Concentration
Balance
- Perform (dancing)
- Tumble
- Use Rope when balancing on rope
Barter
- Appraise
- Bluff
Climb
- Use Rope when climbing rope
Diplomacy
- Bluff
- Knowledge (nobility and royalty)
- Perform (oration)
- Sense Motive
Disguise
- Bluff when acting in character
- Perform (acting) when acting in character
Escape Artist
- Use Rope when escaping from rope
Gather Information
- Knowledge (local) in local area
Heal
- Profession (herbalist) when in long-term care or treating disease or poisons
Intimidate
- Bluff
Jump
- Tumble
Knowledge (nature)
- Survival
Knowledge (psionics)
- Autohypnosis
Perform (acting)
- Bluff
Perform (juggling)
- Tumble
Profession (merchant)
- Barter
Profession (tutor)
- any skill being taught
Psicraft
- Knowledge (psionics)
- Use Psionic Device when adressing power stones
Ride
- Handle Animal
Search
- Knowledge (architecture and engineering) to find hidden compartments, secret doors, traps
Slight of Hand
- Bluff
Spellcraft
- Knowledge (arcana)
- Use Magic Device if deciphering scrolls
Survival
- Knowledge (dungeoneering) in an underground "wild" environment
- Knowledge (geography) to avoid natural hazards, keep from getting lost
- Knowledge (nature) in an aboveground natural environment
- Knowledge (planes) on other planes
- Search to track
Tumble
- Perform (acrobatics) when performing in public
Use Magic Device
- Decipher Script with scrolls
- Spellcraft with scrolls
Use Psionic Device
- Psicraft when using power stones
Use Rope
- Escape Artist to tie someone up |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 09:55:52
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Fast Learner [General]
You learn skills faster than most people.
Benefit: Your character gains +1 skill point per level, starting at the level this feat is taken. Skill points are not gained retroactively. If this feat is taken at first level, the bonus skill point is not multiplied by four; it is added after the normal calculation.
Special: This feat may be taken mulitiple times. Its effect stacks. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 10:17:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Fast Learner [General]
You learn skills faster than most people.
Benefit: Your character gains +1 skill point per level, starting at the level this feat is taken. Skill points are not gained retroactively. If this feat is taken at first level, the bonus skill point is not multiplied by four; it is added after the normal calculation.
Special: This feat may be taken mulitiple times. Its effect stacks.
 This is too powerful!!
I'd remove the stacking clause and add a prerequisite such as Alertness or Investigator (you have to be either very alert to your environment or very curious in order to be a fast learner...) |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 10:25:22
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Barter (Wis)
This skill is to be used when purchasing items in a setting where there are no fixed prices. To do so, make an opposed Barter check. If one participant wins the check by five points or more, alter the base price of the item or items in question by 5%. If the parties get results within five points of the other's, the price is not modified.
The use of this skill does not stack with the benefits of the Merchantile Background regional feat.
(Note: DMs are free to adjust the way the price is affected. For instance, 5% for a five point difference, 10% for fifteen, etc.) |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 10:57:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
This is too powerful!!
I'd remove the stacking clause and add a prerequisite such as Alertness or Investigator (you have to be either very alert to your environment or very curious in order to be a fast learner...)
Okay, I'll think about that. I may just remove the stacking clause, though. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 12:45:12
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I think that's the best option.
I rather like the feat actually, it's not that overpowered, especially if the DM is attentive.
It's actually not that much different from the 'Accelerated Learning' feat from the Midnight setting. As I recall, that feat had alternate prerequisites such as the aforementioned 'Alertness'. It also only allowed a +1 skill point at every other level after it was first taken as a feat.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 15:26:59
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I've added the following entries to the Grand List of Skill Synergies.
Five ranks in . . .
- Gives +2 to . . .
Appraise
- Barter
Bluff
- Barter
- Perform (acting)
Barter
- Profession (merchant)
Knowledge (art)
- Appraise checks dealing with art objects.
Perform (acrobatics)
- Tumbling checks when performing in public
Tumble
- Perform (juggling)
Get +2 on . . .
- By having five ranks in . . .
Appraise when dealing with art objects
- Knowledge (art)
Barter
- Appraise
- Bluff
Perform (acting)
- Bluff
Perform (juggling)
- Tumble
Profession (merchant)
- Barter
Tumble when performing in public
- Perform (acrobatics) |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 16:09:53
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Aren't there skill synergies for
Hide and Move Silently?
What about Search - Spot?
Maybe Search - Listen?
Or Listen - Perform (sing or play any musical instrument)?
I think this is an excellent idea though very nice to have all these synergies in one spot  |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 16:21:01
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I just thought of a few more
Concentration - Perform (any)
Decipher Script - Forgery
Jump - Climb
Listen - Move Silently
Disable Device - Open Lock
Gather Information - Sense Motive |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 18:16:55
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Well, remember, there are two kinds of skill interactions. First, there's the kind represented by the skill feats such as Alertness and Stealthy. These are skills that work well together. Then there are the synergies, where the knowledge of one skill directly affects another.
Let me put it this way. Hide and Move Silently work well together when you don't want to be detected. However, Hide is the art of not being seen, and Move Silently the art of not being heard. One doesn't really enhance the other in the execution, just the final result. That's why the relationship between the two skills are given by a feat, not a synergy.
I'll think about some of the ones you listed, though. Thanks for offering. |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
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627 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2004 : 20:01:37
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| I wasn't too sure about the Hide and Move Silently one myself but I thought I had seen it somewhere else. Anyways I do agree with you about that. Its hard sometimes to distinguish between skills that work well together and skills that really build upon each other that would give synergy bonuses. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2004 : 08:08:24
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Since this thread is about skills and feats...
I am making an NPC, an archer-type from the Dales. I'm using the E-tools program. It, like my PHB and DMG, are 3.0 (So this could be something clarified in 3.5).
Anyway, the bowmaking Craft skill... Does that mean just bows, or is making arrows included in that? |
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Sanavin
Acolyte
Finland
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Posted - 20 Aug 2004 : 10:40:41
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I think that hasn't been specified in the books... except for this passing notion under Craft skill's description: "..., such as a Craft (Bowmaking) check to make straight arrow shafts." (3.0 PHB pg. 66) So, while there is no DC given for making any kind of projectiles, one might infer from that line that making arrows does fall under Craft (Bowmaking).
(3.5 PHB doesn't offer any more insight into the matter.) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2004 : 14:22:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Anyway, the bowmaking Craft skill... Does that mean just bows, or is making arrows included in that?
I've always taken it to mean both the crafting of bows and arrows.
I do have a 'fletching' skill that I like to bring into my campaigns from time to time, but only when I'm feeling finicky...
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Lysander
Learned Scribe
USA
183 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2004 : 15:32:05
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Anyway, the bowmaking Craft skill... Does that mean just bows, or is making arrows included in that?
I've always taken it to mean both the crafting of bows and arrows.
I do have a 'fletching' skill that I like to bring into my campaigns from time to time, but only when I'm feeling finicky...
If I remember the conversion process, the "Bowyer and Fletcher" skill becomes the Craft (Bowmaking) skill in 3.xE - so I would say if the Original had it, then the 3.xE should have it, as well.
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Wooly Rupert
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2004 : 07:57:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It, like my PHB and DMG, are 3.0 (So this could be something clarified in 3.5).
You know, there is a perfectly good SRD available.  I've never bought the 3.5e versions of the core books, myself. I might one day, but at this rate, by the time I can afford to stock up, they'll have come out with 5.9e.  |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2004 : 08:53:55
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Catlike
You move with the skill and grace of a cat.
Benefit: Your character gains a +2 bonus on all Balance and Move Silently checks. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2004 : 11:50:58
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Originally posted by The Sage
A feat fit for any cat-lover who has at one time or another, tried to emulate the amazing agility of a pet feline.
 Zing!
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Lysander
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2004 : 12:56:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It, like my PHB and DMG, are 3.0 (So this could be something clarified in 3.5).
You know, there is a perfectly good SRD available. I've never bought the 3.5e versions of the core books, myself. I might one day, but at this rate, by the time I can afford to stock up, they'll have come out with 5.9e.
Is this the demi-tome entitled "PLAY MORE FREE D&DŽ V.3.5 ACCESSORY UPDATE", or is there another volume? When I see entries such as:
quote:
Rangers have a d8 for their Hit Die, more skill points, and the
Animal Empathy became a class feature. Their animal companions,
favored enemies, and other class features underwent substantial
revision.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2004 : 23:36:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
"...and Bookwyrm is baffled by one of Sage's signature Zings! Bookwyrm falls out of the ring! the referree starts his 20-second count as Sage moves over to climb the upper-right post..."
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Skills and Feats of the Realms
