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Brix
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 00:07:30
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Now that we know how the Realms look like after the time jump, there is one question that troubles me most:
What happens to the tons of stuff for the "old" FR?
I mean, there are so many stories to tell about our beloved Mystra or other deities, or cities and countries that are simply gone now. What happens with all the obsolete stuff Ed Greenwood (and others) have written for TSR/WotC?
As many of these things are gone now, there will be no official support for them. But whats about the existing stuff?
Will this Realmslore be burned? Will it ever see the light of the day?
I feel somewhat betrayed, for all the lore I collected for over 15 years now, won't be supported any more...
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 00:30:57
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Of course it will be buried, this hole change is so they don't have to do the research anymore. Ed's writing a good chuck of the new FRCG so they don't have to write about the Core places that didn't change much.
But sadly, all Realms lore is lost.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 06:15:24
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The older Realmslore isn't obsolete so long as you still use it to run campaigns in the pre-Spellplague Realms. The older Realmslore isn't obsolete so long as you're still capable, as a DM, of making use of the previously published material to flesh out your own home Realms campaigns. The older Realmslore isn't obsolete so long as you're intrigued enough by the possibilities of 4e FR Realmslore to establish your own plots to connect the older lore with the newer lore.
The pre-4e Realmslore will remain just as viable as the post-Spellplague Realmslore. It is simply a question of how you will use it and when.
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Daviot
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 07:43:41
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Likewise, I still know DM's who run 1st and 2nd Edition campaigns. I still use 2nd Edition sources for my 3rd Edition game. And if you choose to go with the Spellplague, you could always think of it like this: as a DM have roughly 90 years of playground as a DM.
At the end of the day, Brix, you're free to choose what you'd like to use and deviate and change and tweak to your heart's content. Lore isn't exploding or imploding just because new stuff is coming out. And as I'm sure Alaundo or The Sage would say, we'll be here. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 09:51:04
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The words Forgotten Realms take on quite a new meaning, don't they? Anyway, the old material will be - as it has been throughout 3e - as usefull as it was when first printed. For a setting does not define itself through the rules, but the background information. There is, furthermore, no reason to disregard the old books when it comes to play future games or editions, for there is no-one prohibiting you playing a campaign in the "Old Realms*" with any rules that strike your fancy.
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Brix
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 12:05:21
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No guys. That's a misunderstanding.
Of course I can play O-FR on my behalf.
But I'm talking of the official support for O-FR (New stuff for Old Realms). To be more precise: What happens to Ed's (and other's) stuff that was been written for O-FR? That's obsolete now. Because in the New Realms there is no place for that.
Somewhere I read how many pages were cut from Ed's Waterdeep entry for the GHotR?
We will never learn new stuff about the "old" Waterdeep, as it is obsolete now. The same for deities who vansihed now - especially Mystra who is an integral part of the Realms as I know it. All the unpublished stuff Ed has written for Mystra will never see the light of the day. Or cities that have never been explored in depth won't get any support in the future, because they are destroyed now. So what happens with this stuff on Ed's computer (or shelves)?
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 12:17:49
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| How about inquiring him about that at his very own thread in the Chamber of Sages? ;) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 12:24:42
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I would assume Ed shares what he can here at Candlekeep when scribes ask "the right questions." But, for the most part, as Eric and George have told us in the past... older pieces of Realmslore that get cut or removed during editing, sometimes unexpectedly pop-up elsewhere as part of some larger work -- with suitable modifications of course!
Granted, the time-jump will make it difficult to place some of the unpublished pieces of Realmslore between 1375 DR and 1479 DR. But we don't know what WotC's plans are in this regard. Such Realmslore may feature as part of the ongoing "Realmslore" article series at WotC -- eventually establishing some of the plot threads that will connect certain parts of the older Realmslore, with the Realmslore of the post-Spellplague period. This would allow designers to still tinker with Realmslore that is current to the pre-Spellplague era we currently occupy in game-time. And some of Ed's boxes and boxes and boxes [and boxes] of unpublished lore will probably find its way into online "Realmslore" features eventually. He already alluded to that when he spoke recently about finishing up the "Border Kingdoms" articles with unpublished lore at some point and, possibly, compiling them into a PDF for convenient download at WotC.
So, I wouldn't worry too much Brix. With designers like Ed and Eric and Brian at the helm of 4e FR, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities for them to ensure that those of us concerned about unpublished Realmslore, will receive the love and attention we desire.
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LordArcana
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 12:27:50
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I am sure Ed has his own personal life, and is busy with the new work regarding 4thE and how it pertains to FR, but with all the people here at Candlekeep...and from the little i have seen so far, i don't think the "feel" of 1st, 2nd and 3rd editions will ever die. I know i have downloaded everything from the Wizards site that is free and i will continue to write adventures, plots, stories and campaigns using the 3rdE system.
I would like to think that Ed will still be here to answer questions about the past, present and future for those who refuse to switch to 4thE and refuse to accept the changes post 1380.
It would be more work for the mods here but i hope after the official release for 4thE, that there is a forum or at least space provided for those of us dedicated to the past. |
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Brix
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 12:57:09
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Granted, the time-jump will make it difficult to place some of the unpublished pieces of Realmslore between 1375 DR and 1479 DR. But we don't know what WotC's plans are in this regard. Such Realmslore may feature as part of the ongoing "Realmslore" article series at WotC -- eventually establishing some of the plot threads that will connect certain parts of the older Realmslore, with the Realmslore of the post-Spellplague period. This would allow designers to still tinker with Realmslore that is current to the pre-Spellplague era we currently occupy in game-time. And some of Ed's boxes and boxes and boxes [and boxes] of unpublished lore will probably find its way into online "Realmslore" features eventually. He already alluded to that when he spoke recently about finishing up the "Border Kingdoms" articles with unpublished lore at some point and, possibly, compiling them into a PDF for convenient download at WotC.
So, I wouldn't worry too much Brix. With designers like Ed and Eric and Brian at the helm of 4e FR, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities for them to ensure that those of us concerned about unpublished Realmslore, will receive the love and attention we desire.
I hope you're right, but I really doubt it.
I'm the kind of FR fans that likes to collect every Realmslore possible. I think like most of you guys - hence the name of this website: Candlekeep - a vault of Realmslore. I guess that Eric and Brian think likewise
Rich Baker said something like:" You don't need a masters degree to play FR"
So wouldn't it speak against this new policy, if they publish any old Realmslore, after they pressed the "reset-button"?
"Mr Potato Head doesn't like controversial products." as Sean K. Reynolds put it. As such there are no old, dusty scribes like you and me wanted, but young gamers who want to simply play in a easy "plug-and-play" setting without any historical freight, magic gods, and unusual Weave-thingies.
With "Grand History of the Realms" this chapter of the Realms was closed.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 15:08:04
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Originally posted by Brix
I mean, there are so many stories to tell about our beloved Mystra or other deities, or cities and countries that are simply gone now.
No kidding.
The good news is, Ed is still here and willing to support all our questions about the old (to me, "true") Realms setting. |
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