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Zimeros
Learned Scribe
Brazil
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 Posted - 24 May 2003 : 19:42:21
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You, citizens of Europe and U.S.A., 1º world, speak bad words of the South America and the Brazil,3º world, but don't look the "good side" of my country. In five days, for exemple, here will are the XI International Gathering of Role Play Game, the second gathering of RPG of the world, in the big city of Sao Paulo(San Paul, in englis).
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 May 2003 : 21:28:37
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Excuse me, but where did you see use speaking any bad of Brazil, or South America in general?  I certainly never heard this. Don't jump to conclusions. |
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Zimeros
Learned Scribe
Brazil
121 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2003 : 20:46:18
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"(...)the entire world wanted to emulate the americans(...)" This your words, bookwyrm... You don't speak bad to Brazil directly, but you want sey this words... Now answer only one question: Like you your american culture? Your american domination? I dont't want fight... don't will are angry for my question. please.
I'm sorry to my (very) bad english, now I'm emulate the americans...
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 09 Jun 2003 : 21:02:43
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Zimeros this is really NOT the place to express those views. Where I am an american citizen, there is ALOT about america I do not like including our current Emperor, but this is hardly the place to express those sentiments. You say you don't want a fight, yet what do you expect by saying things like my english is poor, now I emulate american culture (where I actually did LAUGH at that remark). Do yourself and your country a favour...
NEVER become a diplomat.
If you are so against the country, then ban its products... Don't eat hotdogs, or McDonalds. Don't even WATCH american movies, and most of all, throw out all of your Wizards of the Coast products. Perhaps then your frustration will feel slightly better. Oh and don't go to that game convention either, you do not want to feed the capatilist machine...
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Edited by - Mournblade on 09 Jun 2003 21:06:49 |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 05:07:24
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Yes, those were my words.  But don't you missquote me! There is no surer way to get on my bad side than to twist my words.
This is what I actually said:
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
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Originally posted by Zimeros
I'm sorry if I write some incorrect word, but in my country we not speak english.
A pair of twinkling eyes peer at him from over a book.
"You don't say. No English in Brazil . . . . Shocking. Quite shocking. And all this time I thought the entire world wanted to emulate the Americans . . . . This changes everything . . . ."
As you can see, it is quite obvious that I was speaking in a joking, slightly sarcastic tone. You cannot claim that I was speaking literally. Do not accuse me of such.
Think before you act next time. You're making me very angry. I don't want to be angry at you, but you are showing a callous disregard for me, and jumping to conclusions about the way I think. That is something that I well and truly hate.
Right now, I wish you could see the expression on my face. I've never been this angry at anyone on here -- even Echon. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 22:16:11
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Bookwyrm there is one thing I discovered when dealing with friends that speak a native language that is not English...
DO NOT USE SARCASM. I have many friends from Spain, Greece and Italy, and when I Instant message them a sarcastic remark it is always misunderstood. Never mind IM, Hell it is misunderstood in person. And the same works on my end, I am jsut sarcastic enough, and understand Body language enough to know when non native english speakers are being sarcastic. IT is VERY difficult to detect sarcasm in another language.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 22:23:05
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| You are correct, but it still should have been obvious on the joking front. I started off with "A pair of twinkling eyes" -- that is a humorous facial expression. |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 22:33:10
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Since this topic was never really on topic, I'll chime in.
I find the best way to convey joking on a bulletin board or in IM, even with people whose naive language is not the same as mine, is to throw in some self-deprecation. If you're poking fun at yourself, it sets the "joking" tone of the message. |
Edited by - branmakmuffin on 10 Jun 2003 22:33:34 |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 22:37:03
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Also don't assume that people know what those ICONS mean. I have only just recently learned them as I am not a regular email chatter. I know what LOL means, and JK. But I still am puzzled by LMAO (I cannot figure this out), and how stoooooopid is it to type l8er? It is even MORE difficult I think than Later. I hate the net spellings, and chatting slang. Other than Brb, I won't use any, and BRB is usually only because I have to get to the phone quick. Kids are starting to use U in place of you, and 4 in place of For in thier homework writings and such. I think net slang is just a perfect example of laziness.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 23:00:20
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Bran:
I believe that's what I was doing.
Mournblade:
I believe it's called 'l33t' spelling. Since the 3s are suppsed to be backwards Es, that's pronounced "leet" -- that was obvious to me, but it took me much searching to find that it's supposed to mean 'elite.' It could be just me, though. A friend of mine who, as far as I know, has never done any sort of online 'chat' with anyone but me (he's rather new to the Internet and its full potentials) understood it right away.
"LMAO" means "Laughing my [censored] off."
I agree with your interperatation of this, Mournblade. I hate it when people use 'u' and '4' and such. I've thought it was stupid since the fourth grade, when I first found out about it. The only chatspeak (that's what I call it) terms that I every really use are brb and lol. The first for the same reason you do, and the second because it's taken on a meaning that can't really be shown using normal speach. I don't use 'lol' much, though.
Yes, it's laziness. Mentally speaking, anyway. I can type out the normal words faster than I can think of the chatspeak terms. I think it's not so much a factor of "oh, I don't want to type out that loooooong word" as it is "oh, I don't want to have to learn how to consistently spell correctly." |
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Edited by - Bookwyrm on 10 Jun 2003 23:00:55 |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 23:14:24
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I agree, Mournblade. People use "1337" spelling beause they think it makes them "100X c001", but it actually makes them look like juvenile wannabes. Heck, real hackers (the supposed origin of "1337" spelling) don't even use it. People who use chatspeak when talking are even more annoying.
And I don't know what BRB means.
Bookwyrm, either you have a thin skin or you're convinced everyone is always talking about you. This is the second time you've acted like I was accusing you of being or doing something, when all I did was mention it in general.
Maybe it's time for Alaundo to close this topic. It is becoming what we call in Usenet a spam trap. And I'm not accusing you of being responsible for that, Bookwyrm. |
Edited by - branmakmuffin on 10 Jun 2003 23:19:00 |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 23:17:13
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'Scuse me, I'll Be Right Back.  |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2003 : 23:19:02
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No, I wasn't accusing you of accusing me of anything. I was just saying that I believe that that was what I did.
And by all means. Alaundo, lock it, burn it, what ever. I don't care. |
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Edited by - Bookwyrm on 10 Jun 2003 23:21:05 |
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Zimeros
Learned Scribe
Brazil
121 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2003 : 17:12:42
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| Ok, you are injuried with my afirmation in this topic, and you are right. I'm sorry, I don't want let you injuried, my intention is some speak what I was think of you, citizens of 1º world, but togheter some words than one friend speak-me, I´m think than I am don't right in this afirmations. And I don't want fight and winn enemy´s, I want speak things of Forgotten Realms and winn friends in other countrys in the world... Bookwyrm, I´m sorry, Mournblade you are right... |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2003 : 19:59:42
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Appology accepted, Zimeros. I'll try to get over the anger.
Just remember, never believe a stereotype unless you know it to be true for all. I've never believed anyplace on the planet to be 'backward' or any equivalent term. In the same way, I don't believe all Muslims to hate the US (Islam is one of the most peaceful religions in the world, and more so than Chrisianity's own history). Nor do I believe that all French are cowards; if I did, I'd be condemning a significant part of my family tree. (If anything, I admire the French for standing up to the US's political pressure, the same way I admire Bush, whatever his other faults, for standing up to the rest of the world in the exact same way.) |
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Alexis Merlin
Learned Scribe
USA
115 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2003 : 22:17:03
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<Grasps the helm and attempts to steer the topic back into the Forgotten Realms  )
Are you going to this RPG conference in San Paulo then Zimeros? If so do you know what sort of events will be on?
How often does this event occur, and as it is an international one what are the main language(s) used for discussions, books etc.
I'm quite interested as a number of my friends are Brazilian (though working in Germany at the moment...long story) and intend to pay them a visit sometime...
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It is knowledge that influences and equalizes the social condition of man; that gives to all, however different their political position, passions which are in common, and enjoyments which are universal.
(Benjamin Disraeli)
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Zimeros
Learned Scribe
Brazil
121 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2003 : 15:19:57
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Yes Alexis Merlin, I going to the International gathering of RPG in Sao Paulo, days 31/05 and 01/06. You are right, I play with people of other regions of world, and the used language is the portuguese(the oficial language of Brazil) and, of course, in few, english(Margaret Weis, of Dragonlace cronicles is there,and she is a american). Bookwyrm, you are right too, I'm sorry if I stereotype the american people in my afirmations,but you, americans, not is very liked here because your president Bush want our precious Amazon Forest(the bigest in the world) and we not like he(the president, not american people). Togheter I know the internet and chat with american people I liked they . I'm sorry if I write something error in eglish... |
"Gods protect children and drunks" |
Edited by - Zimeros on 13 Jun 2003 15:27:08 |
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2003 : 16:53:05
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Zimeros! I havent see you in a while. What is on the agenda for the RP Gathering?? Also how are those portuguese (SP?) Core Rule books? I never really got to ask you last time are you a DM or PC, what ever you are we'd all like to hear your tales  .
Hanx
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Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe |
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Dantrag
Learned Scribe
USA
141 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2003 : 03:06:28
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| Now what does this have anything to do about Forgotten Realms? Zimeros you should express this in a mail to the U.S senate or something... I can't belive Alaundo hasen't shut this thread down by now!!! |
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2003 : 11:02:27
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I think the point was Dantrag that all involved in this post had finished the agruement and had returned to normal Realms conversatiions So Alaundo did not require to close this post down. I think that perhaps you comments might inadvertidally restart the arguement to i would ask Zimeros to please not start the arguement again (Or anyone else for that matter). No matter what anyone thinks of other countries or people, it should be forgotten when they log on to this forum after all it is a form of racism.
^Now Back to the Realms^
Does anyone know what is on the International Gathering's event list? Come on tell me please, im desperate to find out .
Hanx
Elrond
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Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe |
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Zimeros
Learned Scribe
Brazil
121 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2003 : 21:02:03
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| Yes Helrond, are you right! This is racism, but the people of "first world" use the racism with our people, but I don't want fight with you for more discuttion because in this forum the most important is the realms. I'm sorry if my topic generate this racism, I only want speak to you of the IGRPG in S.P. and don't sey bad of countrys and people... Togheter this I promets NEVER will speak of people with racism in this forum! I think than not is important the country of a person if this person play RPG... |
"Gods protect children and drunks" |
Edited by - Zimeros on 16 Jun 2003 21:21:32 |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2003 : 18:42:24
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... And then the tankards were filled.
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RPG's international gathering in S.Paulo, Brazil
