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boddynock
Learned Scribe
Belgium
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 Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 20:48:14
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| I always roll behind my DM sheet. Sometimes I cheat my rolls when my players are facing bad stuff only because they roll bad. On the otherhand when they do stupid things they can be killed without hessistation. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1735 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 14:28:52
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Re: Halidan's suggestions above....
What if his god notices the noble sacrifice of his loyal worshiper and either makes the character a divine go-between to shuttle messages to his former friends? Easier still, whatever weapon he wielded when he died holds part (or all?) of his spirit and is a blessed weapon either for a companion or for that paladin's church?
I'd sit down with your player and discuss ways in which that character can still have an impact on your campaign. Use the collaborative energy between the two of you (and those 73 pages) and this could ultimately be a great investment in that story beyond just one character's death.
Steven
who'd also remind folks that there's tons upon tons of lost magics in those jungles and who knows what could happen.....
PS: Just because we've never said there were mythal cities and elves that far south doesn't mean there aren't (or weren't) any.....
PPS: No, I'm not suggesting yet another subrace of elves...just some old ones that headed here as pacifists or dissenters who didn't want to be dragged into the Crown Wars |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 17:29:01
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
PPS: No, I'm not suggesting yet another subrace of elves...just some old ones that headed here as pacifists or dissenters who didn't want to be dragged into the Crown Wars
Dang, there goes my idea for jungle elves, the tarzan'quessir... Now how am I going to work in deeply-tanned elf babes in animal skin bikinis?   |
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
470 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 00:54:37
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Easier still, whatever weapon he wielded when he died holds part (or all?) of his spirit and is a blessed weapon either for a companion or for that paladin's church?
Wow...that's great. Consider this idea stolen and waiting for use in my next campaign. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Now how am I going to work in deeply-tanned elf babes in animal skin bikinis?
Don't worry for one minute about them Wooly. I'll take all those tanned elf babes off your hands. No trouble at all. I'll even pay postage. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1735 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 03:30:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
PPS: No, I'm not suggesting yet another subrace of elves...just some old ones that headed here as pacifists or dissenters who didn't want to be dragged into the Crown Wars
Dang, there goes my idea for jungle elves, the tarzan'quessir... Now how am I going to work in deeply-tanned elf babes in animal skin bikinis?
 Maybe I'm just too tired, but I can't stop snickering over the tarzan'quessir..... Can I write up the first coronal of their city--Kreegah Bun'dolo?
Steven
who sighs in shame for those who aren't in on the ERB jokes... |
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
Singapore
182 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 05:18:13
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I use a combination of fate points (instead of dying end the combat at -8 hp but stabilised) and action/luck points (similar to those proposed in Unearthed Arcana and Eberron to allow rerolls etc...) to extend the longevity of characters especially in the face of misjudgements on my part as the DM. It also allows me to prepare wandering monster tables etc... based on what would actually be in an area rather than artificially tailored to the party's level.
The risk of death is still there although heavily mitigated. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 20:02:51
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Hmm okay, a guy comes here and explains us a situation where the game forced him to do something he doesn't feel right and that he hated it.
Answering by telling him that it's a D&D specific issue and that some different solutions exist to avoid this situation is ruled out by moderation ?  
You were a bit more, uh, abrupt about it than that.
It's not what you say, it's how you say it. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 20:03:54
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Originally posted by Pasta Fzoul
This doesn't sound like such a bad situation, actually. The player obviously takes his characters seriously, and wants them treated as such. He was apparently satisfied that the situation was "just," so you shouldn't feel bad about facilitating it :)
True--it sounds like this player is being a good sport about the whole thing. If he's not too upset (if at all), I wouldn't be.
Tons of great ideas for carrying on the story here, though! |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
1089 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 04:07:58
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
True--it sounds like this player is being a good sport about the whole thing. If he's not too upset (if at all), I wouldn't be.
Tons of great ideas for carrying on the story here, though!
He is always a good sport, I just felt bad after all the work he put into the character. We just got finished with this week's game and the new character is cool. He's playing a wild elf barbarin that doesn't like humans and won't speak any language other than elven (thank the gods the fire genasi can communicate with him). The replacement for the catfolk is a human (tabaxi) priest of Ubtao, and they actually hired the tabaxi ranger as a guide this time, so hat helped. All in all, this week's game was alot of fun. They travelled through the jungle and rescued a couple of tabaxi warriors and a lobsterfolk from a batiri tribe and now they are heading back to Mezro. |
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sirreus
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 15:34:58
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first off, I'm not upset that my paladin died; but rather because he died so quickly. i'm a story teller(dragon's "what kind of player are you?") so all my pc's are developed from that perspective.
the 2 20's and a hit as auto death is such a rarity that i'm not happy with doing away with it. i believe in the die rolls as fate; therefore why come back. also i'm a paladin and wouldn't mind spending time in The House of the Triad.
xysma opened this thread to share an unpleasant duty with others.
skeptic, don't be so skeptical. do you really think xysma has made all his posts as well as his other contributions to this site is an indication that he might want to quit d&d? get real and and stop being so rude.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
37008 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 16:01:02
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Play nice, people. We don't need to be taking personal potshots at each other.  |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 17:50:12
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Originally posted by sirreus
xysma opened this thread to share an unpleasant duty with others.
skeptic, don't be so skeptical. do you really think xysma has made all his posts as well as his other contributions to this site is an indication that he might want to quit d&d? get real and and stop being so rude.
Again I fail to see how the suggestion of trying another role-playing game that would fit more the playstyle of someone is a rude thing to do...
BTW, I won't answer again in this topic until some things are cleared up with the mods. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 18:01:12
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Originally posted by sirreus
first off, I'm not upset that my paladin died; but rather because he died so quickly. i'm a story teller(dragon's "what kind of player are you?") so all my pc's are developed from that perspective.
the 2 20's and a hit as auto death is such a rarity that i'm not happy with doing away with it. i believe in the die rolls as fate; therefore why come back. also i'm a paladin and wouldn't mind spending time in The House of the Triad.
xysma opened this thread to share an unpleasant duty with others.
skeptic, don't be so skeptical. do you really think xysma has made all his posts as well as his other contributions to this site is an indication that he might want to quit d&d? get real and and stop being so rude.
Slow dowm, buddy. there is no need to be hostile. (breathe in, breathe out,breathe in, breathe out). |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 18:37:41
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2007 : 01:33:15
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Indeed.
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Again I fail to see how the suggestion of trying another role-playing game that would fit more the playstyle of someone is a rude thing to do...
BTW, I won't answer again in this topic until some things are cleared up with the mods.
And we appreciate that Skeptic. Thanks.
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Varl
Learned Scribe
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2007 : 16:42:17
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Originally posted by Xysma
That's what I said, just not quite as poetically. I ended up saying something like, "At least you can finish your story now." Man, I am a jerk.
Heh. No you're not. It shouldn't matter whether a player writes up a 74 page novella for his character or a 2-line sentence, death is indiscriminate. Of course, you should applaud the player that writes up so much character background from which you can mine adventure possibilities from, and you could encourage players to create elaborate character backgrounds by giving them possibilities to return to life. It might sound biased towards players that create elaborate backgrounds, but I think they should be given something for their investment in time and creativity, and if the result still means the character is dead, then fine.
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2007 : 17:09:48
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
The mods have said, knock it off!
You talkin' to me? |
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Calrond
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2007 : 04:27:42
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I don't think she was, RF seems a lot more stable than to lash out at someone trying to help.
As for the issue at hand, or that was at hand, it sounds like the player isn't feeling bad about this. As for the DM, I say to use this as fuel for more roleplaying and adventure. The feeling you were feeling at the time is a natural gut reaction to bad things happening to good people. Use that in the adventure rather than letting it get you down, however slightly, in real life. If all the books ever written were emptied of rare but unfortunate events that strike down people in their prime, seemingly senselessly, there wouldn't be much suspense.
Having said that, I probably would have fudged the roll, at least after the second natural 20. |
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