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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 04:51:47
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Indeed? I may want to have a look at that, Sage, since most of my Karsus related info comes from Netheril, Empire of Magic. I just noticed something funny about that tome, in particular. Direct your attention to pages 26-28 of this tome, and notice that the timeline is waaaay of track...  It ends with the spell Karsus's Avatar in the year, Get this, 3519! Of course, this could be spells introduced in the 3519th year of the Netherese Empire, so a little clarification might be nice... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 05:14:54
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Actually, a part of my research went into explaining small things like that.
Most of the information I've collected was for a now failed attempt that both myself and a friend of mine were involved in to create a 3e Netheril campaign. The source information we'd brought together is just sitting here collecting dust...
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 05:21:46
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Ah, 3e? Perfect! I may be able to incorporate your research into a Neverwinter Nights module I'm currently working on. It's a single- or multiplayer campaign that stretches over several individual modules, linking them together. I currently have an elven realm where anyone but those of elven blood are quite literally slain on sight. It also features Netheril, and it's Fall, Cormanthor, and the laying of the Mythal, the Army of Darkness invading Myth Drannor, and includes Sarta's idea of a Sundabar campaign. This all spans from a time conduit the PC(s) find(s)... However, I'm just realizing that I'm extremely long winded, and if you want more info about my NWN modules, you'll probably just ask... 
-Shadowlord, who is just realizing that he talks far too much...  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 06:13:48
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My vote would have to go to Telamont, also known as Lord Shadow and High Prince of Shade.
I mean, he is Level 35 (plus LA from Shade), and he is probably the oldest mortal alive on Faerun, with the exception of Larloch, and he commands the most likely most powerful group of arcane spellcasters around.
Larloch would be a candidate, but for some reason he was "levelled down" in 3E to Lev32... But still a power, especially with the 60 liches he commands. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 06:20:06
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Hmm, you do raise an interesting point. However, has the Archwizard Shadow stolen divinity from a goddess by means of a single spell? I think not!   My vote still goes out to Karsus, though I much prefer Telamont Tanthul... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 09:45:09
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If it's any consolation Shadowlord, I spoke at length about my NWN Drizzt modules, for quite some time during April-June of last year...
If the information will help, I might just send you some small files of data, that way you can sift through it to find what you need, rather than have me sorting out what I think would be relevant...
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 11:00:34
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No, no other wizard ever even remotely tried something like Karsus' Avatar... But was that due to lack of skill or wisdom?  We can't tell, but if I remember correctly, Karsus was not the only Arcanist 42 back then...
Speaking of Arcanists, I really want that class instead of the modern Wizard. Grrr. |
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Teflon
Seeker
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 17:02:46
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Thanks Sage and Shadowlord for the information. Thats a nice idea with the NWN module Shadowlord, ever since I started reading on the Netheril Empire I've been interested ever since.
Makes you wonder how powerful he would have been with the addition of the Nether Scrolls. There was one other arcanist that was 41 which was Iouluam but in the sourcebook it says Karsus had surpassed him in skill. I cant think of any others though that come close to him level wise, there was a elf in Cormanthor Srinshee who might of come close but she was 30th. |
In any battle, the mightiest weapon is one that strikes unseen.
A Warrior or Wizard may be invincible in open battle, with their foes before them, but even they must sleep sometime, and cannot parry the knife that comes from behind.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 19:22:07
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Sage, I'm in your debt.  Teflon, glad you like my module ideas. I'm using many new and, before now, untested ideas, so if you're truly interested, I could send you a copy of the module... It uses a new, elven city tileset hak that I found in the Vault... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 21:15:49
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| Actually, both Karsus and Larloch were 42 if I recall correctly... I'll check the book later. |
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Teflon
Seeker
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Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 22:00:23
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That would be cool Shadowlord I would be most interested, I would have to do first reinstall NWN though(I'm getting a lot of errors lately). Do you have Msn Messanger?
In Volo's guide to the North Larloch is listed as a 26 lich and also in the Lords of Darkness box hes 32, they kinda boosted his levels up. Karsus is 41st in the Netheril Book set just to clear some things up. |
In any battle, the mightiest weapon is one that strikes unseen.
A Warrior or Wizard may be invincible in open battle, with their foes before them, but even they must sleep sometime, and cannot parry the knife that comes from behind.
-The life of a assassin. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 23:38:00
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Originally posted by Teflon
That would be cool Shadowlord I would be most interested, I would have to do first reinstall NWN though(I'm getting a lot of errors lately). Do you have Msn Messenger?
Regrettably, no. It seeems MSN Messenger is the preferred means of communication between scribes, other than etheral mail. I have AIM and ICQ. No matter, I'm sure I'd be able to send you a copy of the module somehow when I complete it. First off, though, do you have SoU and/or Hotu? |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Icewolf
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Apr 2004 : 01:29:17
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For the most powerful wizard in all the Realms, I would have to say it would be N'althazaar. He was a character of mine, and my DM got so drunk one night that he had a god (Azuth) trade me 150 levels of magery on exchange for a clump of dirt from in front of his temple. Needless to say, the deal didn't hold after he sobered up, but still, for a while at least, he was the most powerful spellcaster in recorded history :)
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Other than the above, I would have to say Elminster. True power comes not from personal abilities, but the abilities of those whom you associate with. Even the most powerful warlords would be next to nothing without their armies. Elminster had the combined might of the Harpers working to shape Faerun, as well as a few other Chosen (Simbul, for example) and the Lady of Mysteries herself. Pretty powerful combination, if you ask me. |
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Teflon
Seeker
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Posted - 14 Apr 2004 : 02:10:54
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Regrettably, no. It seeems MSN Messenger is the preferred means of communication between scribes, other than etheral mail. I have AIM and ICQ. No matter, I'm sure I'd be able to send you a copy of the module somehow when I complete it. First off, though, do you have SoU and/or Hotu?
I have both versions of the game along with the newest 6.2 upgrade. |
In any battle, the mightiest weapon is one that strikes unseen.
A Warrior or Wizard may be invincible in open battle, with their foes before them, but even they must sleep sometime, and cannot parry the knife that comes from behind.
-The life of a assassin. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2004 : 02:19:28
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| Ah, excellent! I'll send you a copy of the module when done... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Apr 2004 : 06:54:14
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Elminster had the combined might of the Harpers working to shape Faerun, as well as a few other Chosen (Simbul, for example) and the Lady of Mysteries herself. Pretty powerful combination, if you ask me.
Telamont has his 12 sons (10 or 11 of which can cast 9th level spells), a force of 1000 arcanists and about 5000 troops - each at least Ftr1/Sor1 - plus the sharran temple forces of Shade. Plus, they'd prolly get a LOT of support from sharran clergy and cults, and thats not just a few at all.
As for the levels from the Empire of Magic tome... True, both Karsus and Ioulaum are listed as 41.
Strange, I wonder where I got the 42 for Larloch from... Maybe from that interview with Ed Greenwood I read...
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Maculo
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 09:19:40
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I'd have to say Brank is the most powerful wizard in the realms. The art of blundering is a powerful art indeed!
Then again, you have to give Larloch credit. Both Szass Tam and Elminster know well enough to give him his space. In the first case, bring him long lost treasures he wanted in exchange for information if anything. They didn't live so long by being stupid after all. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 00:43:20
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| Can anyone tell me where I can find information on Telamont? He seems like a very interesting and powerful character but I've never heard of him until now. |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 04:49:11
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| You obviously haven't read the Return of the Archwizards Trilogy by Troy "Deathstar" Denning. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 05:16:14
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| No, I haven't. I'm saving up my money to buy the rest of the WotSQ series and the Hunter's Blade trilogy before I buy any other books... |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 06:19:44
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A good series to read, but I have one complaint (Brace yourselves folks, most of you know what's coming ).
Every time Troy Denning writes a novel, something blows up or gets destroyed (ex. Tilverton)! It was the same during the Avatar Series, and all other books he wrote, and that annoys me somewhat... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 06:29:00
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| Shadowlord, I think it's because the stories he writes about are all big-impact stuff. You know, Realm-shaking events like the Times of Trouble and the Return of the Shade. Something big HAS to happen to make the event important. Lol. |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 07:17:38
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Shadowlord, I could have sworn I'd already read something in one of your other posts about Troy Denning's writing. You really have issues with his style don't you . . .
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"Once upon a time the plural of 'wizard' was 'war'." -- The Last Continent, by Terry Pratchett |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 16:36:44
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Every time Troy Denning writes a novel, something blows up or gets destroyed (ex. Tilverton)!
Well, as Ed Greenwood pointed out in his thread, Tilverton's destruction traces back to Phil Athans as the mastermind, not Troy. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 16:40:48
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| Hmm...but what influence did he have on the Cormyrean trilogy, I wonder...that killed quite a few... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 17:10:46
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Originally posted by Arivia
Hmm...but what influence did he have on the Cormyrean trilogy, I wonder...that killed quite a few...
He did have a co-author on the last, and most destructive, novel of that series. Thus, half at the most? |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 23 Apr 2004 : 01:53:22
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Shadowlord, I could have sworn I'd already read something in one of your other posts about Troy Denning's writing. You really have issues with his style don't you . . .
I suppose it's just a matter of personal preference. I've noted the similarities of each of Mr. Denning's novels, and the most prevalent similarity is the destruction of a city, or a portion of a city... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 24 Apr 2004 : 06:52:34
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I'm assuming that when you are referring to other Denning's novels, the Prism Pentad, and a number of other Dark Sun novels have factored into your opinions as well? . . .
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"Once upon a time the plural of 'wizard' was 'war'." -- The Last Continent, by Terry Pratchett |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 May 2004 : 21:54:31
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I think that Elminster is probabley the most powerful having lived so long and accomplished so much. But Karsus was also really good
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