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mr.lee
Seeker
Norway
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 Posted - 26 Dec 2003 : 16:42:05
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P.S. wow! 3 norwegian posts in a row!
Didnt know that norway had so many forgotten realms fans! haha |
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Dragon Cultist
Acolyte
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Posted - 03 Jan 2004 : 17:10:59
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Originally posted by Jander Sunstar
but for me the coolest and storgest wizard is Sammaster. he is awesome...
It's nice to come across such appreciation for the First-Speaker.
Now, Karsus the Arcanist may have achieved admirable levels in wizardry (contrary to popular opinion, Karsus was destroyed just *before* achieving godhood; his attempted draining of the goddess Mystryl was what destroyed him), Sammaster has the potential to truly join the Faerunian pantheon.
If he hasn't done so already...
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2004 : 20:11:26
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| No he has not but he is a cool dud or undead to bad he died at the hands of some stupid Harpers. |
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Darwin_Tenderfoot
Acolyte
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 18:13:34
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I have to say that Elminster as well. He just soooo awsome. I remember when he went to hell that was cool to. The amount of magic it took to close a portal to hell. My mouth just dropped.
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 22:35:03
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Originally posted by Ezindir the dark
THE MOST POWERFUL WIZARD IN THE REALMS MOST BE ELMISTER I THINK. I THINK IT STANDS SOMWHERE THAT HE HIS THE MOST POWERFUL MORTAL THAT EVER HAS BEEN IN THE REALMS.BUT I THINK JON IRENECUS HAS A FEAR CHANCE, I THINK THAT HE IS ONE OF COOLEST.
Jon Irenicus only existed in Bg2. He was never mentioned in anything other than Bg2 so I think it's safe to say that he is non-canon.
To add to the discussion, lvl wise Karsus was probably the most powerful wizard around together with Larloch. Back in 2nd edition days I remember Karsus having 42 or 44 lvls of wizard and Larloch having 46 lvls of it. I do think that Shoon IV deserves an honorable mention though, 36th lvl wizard in 2nd edition days. |
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Malaug
Acolyte
Australia
20 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 12:11:05
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For 2nd Edition people here, here is the run of the top.
Karsus 42nd Level (Dead - for good)
Larloch 42nd Level (but Ed always seems to put him higher than this) (Undead)
Wulgreth the Lich Lord 41st Level (Dead - for good)
In between these guys, you can add Ioulum, who I believe was 41st Level when he was destroyed by a cabal of Liches, you can add the leaders of the Twisted Rune, Shoon IV, Vecna (maybe Sammaster, he could still be around or maybe The Twelve really did kill him) and others before you even get to Elminster, who is somewhere around 30th level. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 16:48:06
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Originally posted by Dragon Cultist
quote:
Originally posted by Jander Sunstar
but for me the coolest and storgest wizard is Sammaster. he is awesome...
It's nice to come across such appreciation for the First-Speaker.
Now, Karsus the Arcanist may have achieved admirable levels in wizardry (contrary to popular opinion, Karsus was destroyed just *before* achieving godhood; his attempted draining of the goddess Mystryl was what destroyed him), Sammaster has the potential to truly join the Faerunian pantheon.
If he hasn't done so already...
Ahem, Karsus did attain godhood. It was only for like .0001 seconds, but he was a god. Refer to Netheril; Empire of Magic or Netheril; Arcane Age. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Xander Fang
Acolyte
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 18:12:23
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Originally posted by Darwin_Tenderfoot
I have to say that Elminster as well. He just soooo awsome. I remember when he went to hell that was cool to. The amount of magic it took to close a portal to hell. My mouth just dropped.
Darwin Tenderfoot
A lot of people are saying elminster, but as i recall the Simbul was the one that rescued him from hell, and killed quite a few devils doing it. I would def. have to say she was up there as the most powerful, looks, beauty, and major magic. |
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Teflon
Seeker
60 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 18:49:06
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I'd go with the Archwizard Karsus. After reading his stats in the Netheril Arcana Age book I would have to say hes crazy powerful, if you catch my meaning =p.
Also the Terraseer was pretty powerful and Ioulaum. Even thou I havent read his stats or anything Agrach Dyrr I would assume is powerful,since he can put a little fear into Gromph Baenre. |
In any battle, the mightiest weapon is one that strikes unseen.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 18:56:19
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| Ah, the Lichdrow Dyrr! I believe his stats were featured in Dragon Magazine, though I could be wrong...... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Rick Day
Acolyte
USA
9 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 17:29:30
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Larlock,
If no one else has noticed he has over sixty liches working for him. If you follow 2e rules thats sixt plus 18th level liches.
Now the fact that he has them bonded to him wiht some form of mind control, "Overmind" when it is supossedly imposiblt to use mind effecting spells on Undead? That in itself is a testament to his power.
He gets my vote for number one.
Second would be Elminster.
Third would be Srinshee, or Simbul.
There are so many its hard to figure it out. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 04:01:33
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Ah, the Lichdrow Dyrr! I believe his stats were featured in Dragon Magazine, though I could be wrong......
Yes, Dragon #312. |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 10:40:10
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We still say Karsus.
Of course lacking him then we'd say Tenser. Tenser's Transformation anyone... Any wizard able to invent a half suicidal spell to go toe to toe with a fighter gets our vote, aye? |
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Teflon
Seeker
60 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 21:11:46
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Aye powerful indeed. Is Tenser in the FR? I know Moderiakan is in Greyhawk, even thou I can never spell his name right, and he was pretty powerful.
But Karsus was just amazing. They need to bring him back! |
In any battle, the mightiest weapon is one that strikes unseen.
A Warrior or Wizard may be invincible in open battle, with their foes before them, but even they must sleep sometime, and cannot parry the knife that comes from behind.
-The life of a assassin. |
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Cherrn
Learned Scribe
Denmark
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 21:55:59
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| As far as I know, Tenser is a Forgotten Realms fella |
A wise man from Calimport once told me: "If a merchant puts sand in the flask of oil he's trying to sell you, then he isn't trying to sell you sand..." |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 01:17:18
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| Well Elminister is one powerfull mage, alltough if this is personal power or due that he is a chosen of mystra is a question. How about the Imaskari wizard kings, I mean the gods brought them down as well, or rather AO made the call in fact. As of now if the red wizards only get their wizard circles in order before a battle they are almost unbeatable. What about the Netherse arcanist known as High Prince Telamont Tanthul aka Lord Shadow. |
Sauro moki kara ochiro - Even monkeys falls from trees.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 03:21:07
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Originally posted by Teflon
Aye powerful indeed. Is Tenser in the FR? I know Moderiakan is in Greyhawk, even thou I can never spell his name right, and he was pretty powerful.
But Karsus was just amazing. They need to bring him back!
That would be Mordenkainen, Teflon.  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 05:30:12
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Originally posted by Cherrn
As far as I know, Tenser is a Forgotten Realms fella
Tenser, the Archmage, is actually from the World of Greyhawk. He is a former member of the powerful wizard cabal, the Circle of Eight. He's also a strong advocate of actively battling evil throughout the Flanaess, and actually makes this his personal quest.
Many years ago, Tenser resigned from the Circle after being constantly frustrated by the group's policy of neutrality and minimal interference. However, he is still friends with most of the current members of the Circle, and is often seen in Greyhawk City in the company of Mordenkainen, Jallarzi, and Otto.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 05:32:30
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Sage, deleting one of those posts might be good...
My votes go to Azuth and Velsharoon. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Alrunes Sinethal
Acolyte
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2004 : 04:28:28
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My votes goes to Elminster if for no better reason than the fact that Mystra always bails him out :P Can't beat a wizard in the realms if Mystra is standing behind him. Let me just put this killer spell in your head so you can defeat your elven wizard slave-master...that is just a disgrace to a scholar and a wizard. I personally believe that wizards should learn/discover/experiment their own magic. If we wanna depend on a god, we would be a priest.
I think Elminster would be a kewler archmage (during Spellfire, Avatar trilogy) if Ed stops having Mystra rescues him. |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2004 : 16:28:19
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| I'd have to agree with Elminster too.I mean he's lived so long.How can he not be the greatest.To be quite honest though.I really don't like all that much. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2004 : 17:43:55
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| VEDISCA, living long doesn't mean you are great. And if you wanna compare years, Halaster Blackcloak has lived almost as long (maybe even longer) than Elminster. Also, Larloch is supposedly from the times of Netherese, before Elminster was even born. By the way, during all those years that Elminster has lived, he has lost a bunch of levels from casting powerful spells and battling monsters. Elminster is really just "well-known" in the Realms, not necessarily the greatest mage. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2004 : 22:23:31
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I would say that Karsus has to be the greatest mage ever. Anyone who can steal divinity with a spell is far more powerful than any other mage, even if his divinity did last for about a millisecond...  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2004 : 23:25:47
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I would also think that the mortal Azuth, must be taken into consideration. For a time, he was considered exceptionally talented in the Art, at least for a mortal. And, when you look at what he was eventually to become, it's not really an everyday occurence for a wizard of the Realms...
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Teflon
Seeker
60 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2004 : 01:50:25
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I have some questions about Karsus
Did he study the Nether Scrolls to gain some of his higher level spells? If thats the case then when does he look over them. In the sourcebook Empire of Magic it doesnt mention it, one set was destoryed before Karsus was born and the second one was destoryed en-route to Karsus's enclave.
So how was it possible for him to cast Karsus avatar? Was it just his magical might alone? |
In any battle, the mightiest weapon is one that strikes unseen.
A Warrior or Wizard may be invincible in open battle, with their foes before them, but even they must sleep sometime, and cannot parry the knife that comes from behind.
-The life of a assassin. |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2004 : 02:34:37
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| I can't say that I disagree with you DDH.Just think that he is the greatest mage,tis all. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2004 : 06:49:41
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Originally posted by Teflon
I have some questions about Karsus
Did he study the Nether Scrolls to gain some of his higher level spells? If thats the case then when does he look over them. In the sourcebook Empire of Magic it doesnt mention it, one set was destoryed before Karsus was born and the second one was destoryed en-route to Karsus's enclave.
So how was it possible for him to cast Karsus avatar? Was it just his magical might alone?
In order for Karsus to assure even greater success, he persuaded the council of Seventon to loan his city the remaining nether scrolls in order to study them and see if there was a link between all the scrolls in order to find the ones that were missing. Unfortunately, as the scrolls were en route to Karsus, the caravan (rumored to have been guarded by over 100 warriors and arcanists) was ransacked and the scrolls were stolen. An intense search for the thieves began in -664 DR but ended seven years later in failure, with the loss of 125 lives. Netheril now had none of the nether scrolls in its possession, and their whereabouts perplexed even the greatest arcanists and seers.
You must also remember that Karsus was a magically precocious child. He instinctively cast his first spell at the age of two, and at age 22 became the youngest arcanist to ever create his own floating city. His early mastery and magical might, as well as learned prowess, accounted for a great deal of his success.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2004 : 16:48:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
I would also think that the mortal Azuth, must be taken into consideration. For a time, he was considered exceptionally talented in the Art, at least for a mortal. And, when you look at what he was eventually to become, it's not really an everyday occurence for a wizard of the Realms...
Yes, Azuth is very powerful. In fact, I remember reading about how he defeated a lesser god (I think it was Savras) to gain his own godhood. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2004 : 00:58:37
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Originally posted by The Sage
[brIn order for Karsus to assure even greater success, he persuaded the council of Seventon to loan his city the remaining nether scrolls in order to study them and see if there was a link between all the scrolls in order to find the ones that were missing. Unfortunately, as the scrolls were en route to Karsus, the caravan (rumored to have been guarded by over 100 warriors and arcanists) was ransacked and the scrolls were stolen. An intense search for the thieves began in -664 DR but ended seven years later in failure, with the loss of 125 lives. Netheril now had none of the nether scrolls in its possession, and their whereabouts perplexed even the greatest arcanists and seers.
You must also remember that Karsus was a magically precocious child. He instinctively cast his first spell at the age of two, and at age 22 became the youngest arcanist to ever create his own floating city. His early mastery and magical might, as well as learned prowess, accounted for a great deal of his success.
Which eventually lead up to the "Karsus Incident," and the casting of Karsus's Avatar, the only 12th level spell ever created...  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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