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Sourcemaster2
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 Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 03:59:01
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Does anyone have the stats for Galaeron Nihmedu? Also, I'm fairly sure that he suffered the Wisdom drain, but is there any mention of him worshipping Shar?
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 04:17:17
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Originally posted by Sourcemaster2
Does anyone have the stats for Galaeron Nihmedu? Also, I'm fairly sure that he suffered the Wisdom drain, but is there any mention of him worshipping Shar?
I know he was featured in "Rogues Gallery : Heroes of The Summoning" in Dragon #281. If memory serves, he was a Male Elf, (Ftr7/Sor8). However, that's going by memory only as I don't have the magazine on hand. Thus, someone else with it can confirm or give the correct stats. No idea on the Shar question, sorry.
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Kuje
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 04:27:53
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I know he was featured in "Rogues Gallery : Heroes of The Summoning" in Dragon #281. If memory serves, he was a Male Elf, (Ftr7/Sor8). However, that's going by memory only as I don't have the magazine on hand. Thus, someone else with it can confirm or give the correct stats. No idea on the Shar question, sorry.
Yup fighter 7/ sorcerer 8. And about the Wis Drain, it's not there any more in the Player's Guide so if he did suffer it, his stat's need to be updated..... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 04:29:04
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Originally posted by kuje31
Yup fighter 7/ sorcerer 8. And about the Wis Drain, it's not there any more in the Player's Guide so if he did suffer it, his stat's need to be updated.....
Thanks kuje31. I know they included other characters from the series in the article. Did any of the write ups include illustrations? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 05:05:48
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Thanks kuje31. I know they included other characters from the series in the article. Did any of the write ups include illustrations?
Yup, but I don't like the illustrations.... They are like blurry watercolors.... |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 05:10:16
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Originally posted by kuje31
Yup, but I don't like the illustrations.... They are like blurry watercolors....
Well, that's very disappointing. Who was the artist for them?
Thanks for the information. |
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Sourcemaster2
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 05:17:32
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| After the RoA trilogy, I assumed he would have some shadow adept levels, or at least a higher sorc level. When were those levels listed, before or after RoA? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jun 2004 : 06:26:30
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Well, that's very disappointing. Who was the artist for them?
Thanks for the information.
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Brenigin
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Posted - 05 Jul 2004 : 09:26:07
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| Galaeron's stas in Dragon 281 were pre-The Summoning. Like many statted NPCs, new prestige classes have since come in to existence that might better represent the character in question - I'm of the opinion that the Evereskan Tomb Guardian was designed with Galaeron in mind. Not sure on levels, but I could see the post-RotA Galaeron as a Ftr/Sor/Evereskan Tomb Guardian /Shadow Adept. I'd even be tempted to throw in a ranger level. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Jul 2004 : 17:54:32
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Originally posted by Brenigin
Galaeron's stas in Dragon 281 were pre-The Summoning. Like many statted NPCs, new prestige classes have since come in to existence that might better represent the character in question - I'm of the opinion that the Evereskan Tomb Guardian was designed with Galaeron in mind. Not sure on levels, but I could see the post-RotA Galaeron as a Ftr/Sor/Evereskan Tomb Guardian /Shadow Adept. I'd even be tempted to throw in a ranger level.
That PrC was totally designed with him in mind... I just wonder what WotC was thinking when they decided to waste pages on that one in the Player's Guide to Faerûn. They shoulda done that one as either a web release, or made it a more general "site guardian," perhaps with notes on how to customize it to Evereska or other areas. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jul 2004 : 19:31:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That PrC was totally designed with him in mind... I just wonder what WotC was thinking when they decided to waste pages on that one in the Player's Guide to Faerûn.
Agreed. I've heard comments that this PrC was primarily for NPCs..... Houston come in again, over? It's a Player's Guide, but the PrC is for NPCs....ohhhhhkkaayyyy.....so in the DM's Guide to Faerun, I can expect player options?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Jul 2004 : 21:17:39
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That PrC was totally designed with him in mind... I just wonder what WotC was thinking when they decided to waste pages on that one in the Player's Guide to Faerûn.
Agreed. I've heard comments that this PrC was primarily for NPCs..... Houston come in again, over? It's a Player's Guide, but the PrC is for NPCs....ohhhhhkkaayyyy.....so in the DM's Guide to Faerun, I can expect player options?
Ah, WOTC, I've cracked your mysterious ways at last.
*snickers* Yeah, but then where would the rest of the DM stuff go? Ao's Guide to Faerûn?   |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 04:10:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*snickers* Yeah, but then where would the rest of the DM stuff go? Ao's Guide to Faerûn?
Hey WR, back off. Ao was mentioned in a novel...you know how you should refrain from mentioning novels....no, wait, sorry, this isn't the WOTC board...I got confused.
And to slide this back on topic...I wonder how Galaeron will feel towards the Year of Rogue Dragons. If it isn't one thing, it's another for the poor elves. |
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Zsych
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Posted - 09 Dec 2005 : 15:42:33
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| Going by what happened in the novel, he should be somewhere around sorcerer 20, to have beaten Telamont. Maybe it was because of that garbage about resisting your shadow self, and then accepting/merging later(not that you could do such instantaneous level-ups in normal games) |
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warlockco
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Posted - 09 Dec 2005 : 20:30:44
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Originally posted by Zsych
Going by what happened in the novel, he should be somewhere around sorcerer 20, to have beaten Telamont. Maybe it was because of that garbage about resisting your shadow self, and then accepting/merging later(not that you could do such instantaneous level-ups in normal games)
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TylerXKJ
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 : 18:00:38
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Male True Nutral Elf Ranger1/sorcerer6/Everaskan Tomb Guardion3/Shadow Adept10
It's not perfect but it makes him a 19th level caster with the full range of Shadow Adept abilities.
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 11 Dec 2005 : 05:32:17
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I was just mulling over the article, and adding up the idea that he "absorbed" what Telamont knew, and started with those facts. Melegaunt and Galaeron didn't use the same type of magic, so if you assume that he knew what Melegaunt did, the best assumption is that in the end Galaeron ended up being able to cast 9th level spells, since Telemont isn't shown as being an epic level character (in the article he is 20th level, and a Diviner, and as such, not a sorcerer).
Sorcerers gain 9th level spells at 18th level, so Galaeron's caster level should end up at 18th effectively. The article, when detailing his early years, mentions that he showed an aptitude for fighting and a natural talent at magic, but early on his teachers got frustrated with him for casting "unconventionally" and not keeping a spellbook. From this we could assume that while he was somewhat accomplished as a fighter and sorcerer, he was not ultra powerful before he entered the Tomb Guard.
Melegaunt wasn't listed as having shadow adept levels, but I am assuming that when Troy Denning wrote the article, the PrC wasn't finalized yet, so I think we can assume that Melegaunt may indeed have had that PrC. If this is the case, for Galaeron to have learned what Melegaunt did, he would have picked up levels in this class as well.
Galaeron didn't strike me in the novels as being any more inclined toward nature than any other Evereskan elf, meaning he had some knowlage and respect, but not a special reverance and training, so I wouldn't throw in any ranger levels, especially as he seemed to favor his father more than his mother.
The final thing I would glean is that Troy Denning in the article originally listed Galaeron as Chaotic good, but not only did the novels say that Galaeron explored his "shadow" but the Shadow Adept class requires one to be non-good. Since Galaeron did strike me as a bit, um, chaotic in his ideas even up to the end, this is what I would come up with, using the logic explained above. Also, I am assuming that some of the Shadow Adept levels "overwrote" some standard sorcerer levels that he had, since there is no game mechanic for a character absorbing the knowlage of another more accomplished spell caster.
(As a side note, being powerful enough to cast 9th level spells and knowing what one of his agents, his own son, did about his plans, would be explanation enough to explain Galaeron surprising Telemont, briefly, though in the long term he should still be able to clean Galaeron's clock)
Galaeron Nihmedu, Silver Elf Male, Chaotic Neutral, Fighter 2/Sorcerer 4/Evereskan Tomb Guardian 4/Shadow Adept 10
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 11 Dec 2005 : 06:06:44
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Three things jump out at me as I read the article, since I have been peering at it to figure this question out.
1) I am so glad that Erik Mona is in charge now. The huge Whahoo! thing spelling out magic items that would be imbalancing was very annoying, and if you stat them properly so that they cost the right amount, and thus wouldn't be found in a treasure too early for the PCs to gain them, its completely unessissary.
2) Troy may have been in over his head trying to "convert the Realms to 3rd edition" both in the novels and in this particular article. I don't think he was familiar enough with the new rules or how they were going to be used in the setting. Sorcery seems ultra rare in this series, and the elves are almost of the verge of calling sorcerers heretics, but most of the rest of 3rd edition material assumes that sorcerers are fairly common among arcane casters, and only a few societies make distinctions between the different types of casters.
Also, the write up of Evereskan armor smacks of older editions, when there were tons of items that were made without any prices or details of how they were made, and you were just told, they work this way and they are rare. 3rd edition has a tendancy to demystify anything that isn't an artifact by letting you know what goes into its creation and assigning it a gp value, so the Evereskan armor comes across as a bit of a dodge (again, I think Troy was just sideswipped by changing rules that he may not have known about, then tried to explain why armor didn't hinder Galaeron and company).
But Troy HAS been writting in the Realms long enough to know that a silver elf that is "almost" as tall as a human isn't a strange thing . . . that's one of my big pet peeves.
3) Not too long ago I remember reading on the Paizo site that one of the reasons they are using "Iconic" characters is so that they can order artwork from artists that may not have any D&D background so they can paint characters that look the way they are suppose to from the reference pictures, rather than try to explain elves, drow, orcs, etc to them. I wonder if Glenn Harrington is one of these artists that may not be familiar with D&D and the like. Not only is the classical Renissance style painting a little jarring considering the type of story, but Galaeron has a beard, Takari doesn't exactly have traditional elven features, and Vala looks like a puritan school marm rather than a trained warrior woman.
I know that some elves in the Realms can grow beards, but its a pretty rare event, and would likely be something noted in the book somewhere, just as, oh, say a dwarf with no facial hair might be noteworthy as well. And the Vala thing is just weird. It almost looks like they just took some portraits that the artist had painted in general and said, "lets use this one for Vala, this one for Takari, this one for Melegaunt . . . hey, this is the only one left, guess its Galaeron."
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Dec 2005 : 07:57:51
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3) Not too long ago I remember reading on the Paizo site that one of the reasons they are using "Iconic" characters is so that they can order artwork from artists that may not have any D&D background so they can paint characters that look the way they are suppose to from the reference pictures, rather than try to explain elves, drow, orcs, etc to them.
You know, to me, that's a cheap way out. And I think it's insulting to the fans, too. Artists should be required to read at least a detailed description of what they're painting... It's kinda like what they did with drow: since the artists couldn't get the skin-tone right, Wizards changed the description of drow skin-tones to match the improper artwork! Rather than say "paint what we say if you want to get paid!", they say, "oh, well, you screwed up. Let's change things to match what you did, rather than require you to correct your mistake."  |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Dec 2005 : 16:14:14
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KEJR, Wooly - I totally agree with you. That article offended me greatly. Well, then again, so did Denning's writing - but honestly, I did like the concept of a shadow weave using Sorcerer from the Elves' back door.
When I saw the pictures, I must have sat there confused for like 5 minutes. I was thinking, "Who the hell are these jokers?" But then I remembered that back then, Dragon was letting the inmates run the asylum. 
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Dec 2005 : 14:41:22
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
3) Not too long ago I remember reading on the Paizo site that one of the reasons they are using "Iconic" characters is so that they can order artwork from artists that may not have any D&D background so they can paint characters that look the way they are suppose to from the reference pictures, rather than try to explain elves, drow, orcs, etc to them.
You know, to me, that's a cheap way out. And I think it's insulting to the fans, too. Artists should be required to read at least a detailed description of what they're painting... It's kinda like what they did with drow: since the artists couldn't get the skin-tone right, Wizards changed the description of drow skin-tones to match the improper artwork! Rather than say "paint what we say if you want to get paid!", they say, "oh, well, you screwed up. Let's change things to match what you did, rather than require you to correct your mistake."
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Nightbreeze
Acolyte
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Posted - 22 Jun 2006 : 19:10:44
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Galaeron
Acolyte
Egypt
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Posted - 01 Dec 2007 : 21:13:23
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Greetings everyone,
This is my first post on the forum; I'm glad to be here.
I'm not sure if I should be resurrecting old topics; I think it would be better than starting off a new one. Anyway..
I was reading "Lost Empires of Faerun", when I found the following:
"Today, Wulgreth of Netheril is dead - destroyed by the magic of Galaeron Nihmedu, an elf Shadow Adept."
This means that Galaeron has indeed taken levels in the Shadow Adept class. Has he been mentioned in any other FR Accessory book? Has any further information been revealed outside of the 'Return of the Archwizards' Novel?
Most importantly, do we have any official source that reveals his levels and stats?
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Shilo99
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Posted - 17 Jan 2008 : 11:12:08
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Hi Galaeron,
Very appropriate name for this topic, indeed!
Well spotted on the shadow adept reference for Galaeron in LEoF (Lost Empires of Faerun).
I am currently reading the books for the first time, and happened across this topic, so will have a think and contribute.
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Shilo99
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Posted - 17 Jan 2008 : 11:42:19
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OK, my thoughts on Galaeron.
(Note I haven’t read the Dragon article, so will refer exclusively to Galaeron as portrayed in the Return of the Archwizards novels themselves)
Book 1 definitely states his spellcasting was as a sorcerer, as he cast spells in an ‘unconventional’ manner without a spellbook.
He has some form of martial training, given his armour, and skill with a blade.
Former posters have stated he has levels in the Evereskan Tomb Guardian PrC, even that the class was written with him in mind. I disagree.
Certainly the series are the only novels I know of with Evereskan Tomb Guardians, but I didn’t read of Galaeron exhibiting any of the sorts of skills that are a hallmark of the PrC or its prerequisites:
Prereqs: typical ranger style skills & feats- hide, listen, spot, move silently, alertness track.
The class abilities likewise don’t seem to show through in his demonstrated talents: Sacred Duty/Devoted Pursuit (basically ranger favoured enemy-like benefits while in a tomb & chasing tomb robbers)
Swift Tracker…
I never read about Galaeron ever being sneaky or particularly outdoorsy, or tracking at all. He had his scout Takari do all the outdoors scouty/sneaky things (definitely a Ranger…or perhaps a Scout if you use Complete Adventurer…certainly she used the shoot-and-move style of fighting at times).
Admittedly, the only time in the books that he was actually in an evereskan tomb was during the first several chapters of the first book, but he didn’t to me to be a specific Evereskan Tomb Guardian PrC. Instead he was basically exiled to the Desert Border South where he served dutifully, rather than being besotted by the role.
Thus, I reckon he has no levels in Evereskan Tomb Guardian.
Likewise, for the similar reasons above, he has no levels in ranger: he never tracked, doesn’t demonstrate an affinity for animals, doesn’t seems to have a rabid favoured enemy thing going on. He neither used two melee weapons,nor used bows. So, for mine, no ranger levels.
Good points made by KnightErrantJR, including about elves’ spellcasting in armour. In 3/3.5e I would suggest Galaeron (& others) have some form of feat that allows spellcasting in light armour, perhaps some altered variant of the Battle Caster feat from Complete Arcane. Given that elven chain is classed as light armour (DMG, p220), then this would allow him (feat pre-req aside) to cast in his beloved chain (from which handfuls of links seem to fall off every time he gets hit...)
Spellcasting in elven chain seems like such an elven sort of thing to do, I might consider a house rule allowing this...perhaps on taking battle caster or similar feat.
So, I think he has levels in sorcerer, a fighter-like class (lets say fighter for now, as he’s definitely no paladin, barbarian, knight, duskblade, rogue, swashbuckler etc). I think he’s not a ranger nor Evereskan Tomb Guardian PrC.
Hmmm, I’ll get back to you.
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Shilo99
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Posted - 17 Jan 2008 : 12:47:15
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OK, my thoughts on what Galaeron would be classed as in 3.5e...
Start of novels:
He is a handy fighter (BAB +4 or more) and a good spontaneous arcane caster (I think maybe 7 levels)
He doesn’t exhibit any odd combat moves etc, so I can’t identify special feats, except battle caster or similar to allow armoured spellcasting, and shadow weave casting (see below). Perhaps combat casting.
So I’m thinking the basic Eldritch Knight PrC from the DMG fits well.
This allows for both the BAB and spellcasting levels I’m thinking.
So, what about: Fighter 2/Sorceror 6/Eldritch Knight 2
This shows he did a reasonable amount of fighter training (not just 1 level of fighter to get the prerequisite), then academy training/tomb guardian work while focusing on spellcasting, then the very elf-like blend of sword and sorcery.
Note at 2 levels of Eldritch Knight doesn’t really give him the most powerful blend (I know many forum posters don’t like the first couple of levels of this class, and say the PrC is perhaps underpowered compared to some other similar classes), but the tone of the class fits him.
Note he’s no bladesinger like his father, or Denning would have mentioned either his fighting style, or at least he fights like his Dad.
He seems very knowledgeable on the form of others’ spellcasting, and performs at least one counterspelling, so likely has plenty of skill ranks and maybe feats in these. He seems to be able to learn new spells faster than most sorcerors, so this could be represented by some feat/feat combo as well.
After the start of the novels, he evidently assumes the shadow adept PrC (as noted in Lost Empires of Faerun) under the tutelage of Melegaunt and later Telamont.
He advances through this class for the rest of the novels, eventually reaching the lofty heights of this PrC...at least that’s what I’m thinking happens.
Back to reading the novels!
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 12:20:11
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Originally posted by Brenigin
Galaeron's stas in Dragon 281 were pre-The Summoning. Like many statted NPCs, new prestige classes have since come in to existence that might better represent the character in question - I'm of the opinion that the Evereskan Tomb Guardian was designed with Galaeron in mind. Not sure on levels, but I could see the post-RotA Galaeron as a Ftr/Sor/Evereskan Tomb Guardian /Shadow Adept. I'd even be tempted to throw in a ranger level.
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Galaeron Nihmedu, Silver Elf Male, Chaotic Neutral, Fighter 2/Sorcerer 4/Evereskan Tomb Guardian 4/Shadow Adept 10
So uh, I'll have to re-do Galaeron for my friends. I was going to go with the Dragon write-up, but I see it need changes... |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 12:28:15
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Galaeron Nihmedu as an Epic character? oO
I wouldn't even put him near epic but on the other side its long ago that i read the return of the archwizrds series... |
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Quale
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 15:12:53
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Originally posted by Zireael
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Originally posted by Brenigin
Galaeron's stas in Dragon 281 were pre-The Summoning. Like many statted NPCs, new prestige classes have since come in to existence that might better represent the character in question - I'm of the opinion that the Evereskan Tomb Guardian was designed with Galaeron in mind. Not sure on levels, but I could see the post-RotA Galaeron as a Ftr/Sor/Evereskan Tomb Guardian /Shadow Adept. I'd even be tempted to throw in a ranger level.
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Galaeron Nihmedu, Silver Elf Male, Chaotic Neutral, Fighter 2/Sorcerer 4/Evereskan Tomb Guardian 4/Shadow Adept 10
So uh, I'll have to re-do Galaeron for my friends. I was going to go with the Dragon write-up, but I see it need changes...
I did stat Galaeron, Takari and Vala years ago, you want the stats? |
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