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Scots Dragon
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04 Nov 2025 : 15:42:50
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Yet somehow people of Faerūn know the names like Melf, Mordenkainen, Bigby, and Tenser despite not being from Faerūn. Go figure...
Some worlds have more portals between them than others, evidently. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Nov 2025 : 22:45:06
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I still find the beginning of that Magic/FR crossover to be ridiculous...
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A lone mage roams the land. He is a visitor from another world. He has come to the Sword Coast in pursuit of legends and lore, in the footsteps of others who came here long ago. He is called Tyreus, though few here know him by name.
Oh, wow, no one local knows the name of someone from ANOTHER WORLD? 
Yet somehow people of Faerūn know the names like Melf, Mordenkainen, Bigby, and Tenser despite not being from Faerūn. Go figure...
Yeah, they know the names from the spells. I'm not aware of any spells named after Tyreus.
Either way, my point is that it's goofy to say "oh, hey, there is absolutely no reason that people should know who this guy is, but we're going to make a point of saying that no one knows who he is!" |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Nov 2025 : 22:46:09
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Originally posted by Scots Dragon
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Originally posted by Diffan
Yet somehow people of Faerūn know the names like Melf, Mordenkainen, Bigby, and Tenser despite not being from Faerūn. Go figure...
Some worlds have more portals between them than others, evidently.
Very true, though Im assuming that the main antagonist has plans to make his name, even as an off-worlder, something everyone will know. At least that's the gist I got when I read and ran the adventures.
Also, Im not sure that Sylvene used a portal, as she has the "spark" and innate ability to Planeswalk.
Obviously the links through different IPs is meant to be a bridge so that they A) sell more stuff and B) use said stuff in all their products. If you make a character from Lorwyn and are playing Descent to Avernus, there's gotta be a reason for that and WotC thinks this is as good as any. Not saying its the best, but I understand why.
TECHNICALLY it could also open up other IP to which MtG has been crossing over with, like Warhammer 40,000. |
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Scots Dragon
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Nov 2025 : 09:29:35
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It makes all sorts of sense from a business perspective, but it's creatively bankrupt.
The fact that half of the art in the new books looks like it's depicting a very different world to Faer#251;n doesn't help. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Nov 2025 : 16:28:07
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Lorwyn & Shadowmoore are a very Feywild-like plane, but every 3 years, Lorwyn turns into Shadowmoor or vice versa. Everyone has their memories of the previous 3 years erased, and they all go through a radical attitude shift to match the plane they now find themselves on. Lorwyn is bright & cheerful, Shadowmoor is dreary and dangerous.
I know my MtG-obsessed housemate will be ecstatic for more MtG lore, but I'm not thrilled.
I also ran that FR/MtG crossover series. It fizzled out before the conclusion because I was playing with fans of both games, and the ones who preferred MtG wanted to go off and do more MtG stuff in Ravnica (they actually ended up grabbing a couple new players and starting a new campaign in Strixhaven), while the Realms fans wanted to go do a side quest that they thought would keep them in the Realms (but would actually, if they'd pursued it, turn into a search for a dwarf who got herself lost in the Astral Plane) and ended up doing neither because a new DM offered to run an Exandria game, and they were also fans of Critical Role. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Nov 2025 : 15:46:15
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TECHNICALLY it could also open up other IP to which MtG has been crossing over with, like Warhammer 40,000.
-MtG has a crossover with Final Fantasy going on.
-Final Fantasy has a history of Disney crossovers.
-Royal Magician Vangerdhast getting into a duel during a magefair with Royal Magician Donald Duck coming to an adventure near us soon! |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Nov 2025 : 19:20:18
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Yet somehow people of Faerūn know the names like Melf, Mordenkainen, Bigby, and Tenser despite not being from Faerūn. Go figure...
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Yeah, they know the names from the spells. I'm not aware of any spells named after Tyreus.
According to old Spelljammer and Dark Sun lore, long ago the world of Athas was closely linked to the "Triad" worlds of Toril, Oerth, and Krynn. For millennia.
But apparently crystal spheres in the Flow all float and bob around like bubbles on the surface of a river so Athas (and "Kreenspace" and a few other related worlds) drifted apart from the others. Indeed, so far apart that it is (nearly) impossible to still travel between Athas and the other worlds with "normal" spelljamming and planeswalking methods.
Yet there aren't any spells in the Realms named by wizards of Athas. But surely there must have been, after so many centuries of continued contact? We know the Kreen races all originated on Athas. We know that the Gith races once had a lot of interaction with their Athas-stranded offshoots. We know that at least one or two entire "realms" and their populations were transplanted from Athas to the Ravenloft demiplane, and we know that some number of individuals from those populations have since wandered to other worlds and planes.
And we know that magic and spells on Athas were much more highly developed than their Realms counterparts are in every era except perhaps Ancient Netheril. Athas is apparently the ultimate consequence of a Netheril-like civilization which wasn't halted. The world of Dark Sun has been changed into the post-apocalyptic desolate, drained, blasted wasteland we know today by many centuries upon centuries of powerful magical pollutions and powerful magical abuses.
So Athas should have long ago produced all the same spells of Ancient Netheril and since produced many more, named after numerous Athas spellcrafters supposedly unknown in or to the Realms. At least a few of these Athas-named spells should still exist in Realmslore - yet evidently they don't because the creators of every named spell have already been fully accounted.
This is the result of organically-sequential and arbitrarily-segregated product development in real world lore. But in the Realms setting lore no plausible recognition or explanation has been offered.
(On a side note, Ancient Empires: Netheril explains that all the named spells in the PHB were created by Netherese arcanists instead of by otherworldly magic-users on Oerth/etc. Of course we tend to ignore or forget this explanation because we know it's false, wrong, and consistently contradicted in all other lore. The Netheril product contained many wonderfully creative ideas which worked pretty well as a standalone setting - but as a coherent and consistent narrative meant to interact with other settings it was sorely confusing, flawed, and lacking. I like to handwave it all off as half-forgotten and greatly-exaggerated legends.) |
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Edited by - Ayrik on 12 Nov 2025 20:48:38 |
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The Forgotten Realms ate another setting: Lorwyn
