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Mordriel
Acolyte
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 Posted - 03 Jun 2025 : 19:16:21
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Hello,
I am considering Cormyr's past. It was called the Forest Kingdom/Country, or the Lithtlorn/ Wolf Woods before that.
What different States/Principalities/Counties occupied the land that "contemporary" (14th/15th century) Cormyr consists of?
I am mainly interested in the various elven partitions of the forest, in the distant past- as back as Arcorar, as well as after the formation of Cormanthyr. It is implied in various sources that what elven states were within that area, where vassals or dependencies of Cormanthyr.
I know of Orva being there, but that was mostly situated where the Vast Swamp is. What about the rest of the Forest Kingdom's expanse?
Was Elfhold/Elfmount (in the Hullack Forest) part of an Elven state?
The houses of Amaratharr, Nelnueve and Keone are mentioned as elven noble houses of Cormyr's distant past. Are there any particular areas or political formations these houses were part of?
Are there any other elven noble houses related to that particular geographical region?
Thank you in advance
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AJA
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Jun 2025 : 08:15:47
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Hello Mordriel,
Given the references you've mentioned, I'm pretty sure you've been thorough in your research. So unless any other sages come through with a scroll or two from the archives, either Ed or Brian Cortijo would be your next best bet for such information, with asking Ed via Twitter or Patreon probably the "best" route for an answer (Brian does answer a Cormyr question or two on Ed's Discord from time to time, but he's not so public facing like Ed, so I can't recommend to @ him; maybe put your queries in the #Cormyr channel and see if there's any response).
If you're asking specifically about the region during the age of Cormanthyr you might also try asking Steven Schend through the Discord, though he would probably defer any answer to Ed or Brian as well.
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Werthead
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jun 2025 : 22:45:17
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The only information we really have is in Cormyr: A Novel, which was co-written by Ed Greenwood, and then in Steven Schend's Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves, which does not dwell overtly on the Cormyr region.
The suggestion seems to be that in very ancient times, the Cormyr area was very wild and not settled by elven civilisation in the same way as the rest of the Arcorar. That to me hints it may have been left for wild/wood elf tribal groupings who did not want to settle in cities like Cormanthor (and later Myth Drannor). The Netheril maps indicate the Stonelands and Goblin Marches may have formed and been cleared by the founding of Netheril (not long after the founding of Cormanthyr itself), which would have started the process of severing Cormir from the rest of Cormanthyr, with any contiguous forest cover instead extending east through what is now Sembia.
My personal headcanon is that the plummeting Netherese skyholds which formed Sembia's indented coast may have also triggered massive forest fires that separated Cormir from the remainder of Cormanthyr. Civilised elves likely chose to relocate to Cormanthyr proper, leaving Cormir vulnerable to the depredations of the Purple Dragon and then to dwindle until its ceding to the humans of Cormyr a couple of centuries later made sense. |
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JonConley
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2025 : 04:58:02
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In elven times, Arcorar wasn’t one single elven kingdom but rather a vast woodland with semi-independent elven realms, sometimes vassals to larger powers like Aryvandaar or Cormanthyr.
Regions within Arcorar were a small elven realm, likely under Cormanthyr’s influence during its peak.
Some ancient elven portals, ruins, and mythals still exist in King’s Forest, Hullack, and Stormhorns — suggesting broader elven presence. |
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Mordriel
Acolyte
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Posted - 10 Jun 2025 : 09:07:41
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Originally posted by AJA
Hello Mordriel,
Given the references you've mentioned, I'm pretty sure you've been thorough in your research. So unless any other sages come through with a scroll or two from the archives, either Ed or Brian Cortijo would be your next best bet for such information, with asking Ed via Twitter or Patreon probably the "best" route for an answer (Brian does answer a Cormyr question or two on Ed's Discord from time to time, but he's not so public facing like Ed, so I can't recommend to @ him; maybe put your queries in the #Cormyr channel and see if there's any response).
If you're asking specifically about the region during the age of Cormanthyr you might also try asking Steven Schend through the Discord, though he would probably defer any answer to Ed or Brian as well.
Alright, I've given the Discord affair a try, didn't really attract any attention to my plight.
So, I must proceed with what I have at hand. That is, and as you friendly sages put it, a rather not settled- and rather unsettled, back then- region of forest in what is "now" Cormyr. So that might mean, there were no clear political formations/partitions of the woodlands, other than Orva, perhaps?
I've been giving it some thought. I think the northern Stonelands are already dotted with Netherese remains. If there is something from the elven past, it is deeply buried.
Now, the Sylvan area was more likely under the guidance of Druids, rather than elven princes (you put the titles here) and elven high mages. Such a druidic tradition has probably been carried over to the specks of forest that remain still. Sooo... will give it a druidic circle to "run" the land- or at least, try- I suppose.
And if supposedly this land abounds with wildlife, even some Lythari might be around, as well. Come to think of it, a 3.x FR supplement mentions a weresmthg of a half elf that is the last (??) descendant of house Amaratharr. Perhaps there is a twisted continuity implied if I use that connection. (lythari have nothing to do with werebeasts, but some evil deities are insidious and corrupting, aren't they. Malar comes to mind.)
It is also suggested that these lands might be hunting grounds for the more privileged elven families/houses. Tensions might lead to some strife, between hunting parties from the Cormanthyr/Ancorar/Uvaeren/Shemberholme/Jhyrennstar proper, coming over to have a good time in the Wolf Woods, and the local pure nature lovers. So the nobles might need safe houses or towers or whatnot, to make do (More ruins for me). Hunting could be a very expensive sport, these days- but then again, they could most certainly afford it.
Anybody has any ideas to help me shape the land? |
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win01
Acolyte
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Posted - 10 Jun 2025 : 13:38:27
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| Have you tried to connect the history of elf houses like Amaratharr or Keone to major events like the Crown Wars or the founding of Myth Drannor? I wonder if it's possible that some elven nobles were instrumental in shaping the ancient borders of what would become Cormyr? |
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Cormyr's distant past
