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sleyvas
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Posted - 07 Jun 2025 :  17:24:38  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

I don't think the hordelands was really present in the ancient past.

I think most of it was underwater during creator race time when the world was warmer. It would explain why there are no creator race ruins and even no ancient dwarf ruins from when they arrived in the yehimals.

I could be wrong but I think the endless wastes came about around -20000 to -10000 dr.



Or whatever ruins there were there are "not documented" or "destroyed by a cataclysm" and may be in areas noone wants to go to because of the endless wastelands. With the vast amount of sand in some areas, some could literally be buried.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 07 Jun 2025 :  18:47:56  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We've got plenty of instances of cataclysms and yet ruins still survive and the hordelands is soo massive that a cataclysm covering its entire area would be a bigger event than the tearfall, and that was a planet killing event that required divine intervention to curtail the effects.




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Werthead
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Posted - 07 Jun 2025 :  22:16:04  Show Profile  Visit Werthead's Homepage Send Werthead a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Grand History of the Realms has a map of Toril in 31,500 BDR and it confirms that Taan/the Endless Waste is in existence at that time, when Faerun, Kara-Tur, Zakhara, Maztica and Katashaka are all unified into the supercontinent Merrouroboros. The Endless Ice Sea, Taan and Yehimal are more or less as they are later on (excepting that this map uses 3E as its base, so everything is a bit more squashed than it was in later times).

One of the oddities of this map is that it shows a vast amount of land immediately to the east of Zakhara, greatly extending the continent. I assumed this is massive, low-lying marshy land (similar to the Doggerland of the North Sea, that used to link Britain to Europe) that very quickly fell under the sea in the First Sundering.
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